Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3

[mohima1230]

How much time does it take for power supplies to ship after miner ships?

It depends on which batch you ordered. My one both shipped at a same time and delivered on same day.

Don’t you ordered on a same cart?

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[Gladimor]

To all the people that are claiming the Baikal devices are FPGA miners- FALSE.

FPGAs have similar performance to GPUs, but just much less power consumption. Do your research before making statements.

Baikal's previous generation used 40nm nodes on their full custom ASIC process. They originally wanted to build out their design using 90nm nodes, but of course they wouldn't have been as competitive as iBeLink and PinIdea that were also releasing X11 miners. I can presume their current design uses 28nm nodes on their ASIC. Bitmain uses 28nm for the D3 chips.

[BenRickert]

The thing with this "gold rush" to cryptocurrencies and mining in general is that 95%+ of people entering the market this year DO NOT understand what they are buying into. Like 3 out of 5 people I spoke to in person in regards to crypto wanted to start a bloody ICO to raise millions for some idea that could be accomplished for thousands. The amount of "stupid" in this industry has reached an all time high. It will take time for everyone to learn.

Especially for mining. Someone buys a D3 and expects it to mine Litecoin. Then they ask why it doesn't work. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING.

Amen brother!! I lost count of the number of posts that go something like this......." Hi guys, I'm new here. I just got 50 D3's delivered to my door, I'm so pissed off!! They forgot the fucking power cords". ....or.... "Greetings miners, I just bought 100 D3's. What kind of PSU do I need for these things? Also, can I mine anything besides DASH with them??". Of course my all time favorite...." Hey there! Newbie here. I just started up my 25 new D3's in my studio apartment. Holleee SHIT are these things LOUD!! They're also making my apartment really HOT!! Should I get a fan or something??". SMH!!!

Forgot today's new all-time winner. " Hey, my new D3 isn't making shit on DASH, can I mine LTC with it??".

[blastar]

The thing with this "gold rush" to cryptocurrencies and mining in general is that 95%+ of people entering the market this year DO NOT understand what they are buying into. Like 3 out of 5 people I spoke to in person in regards to crypto wanted to start a bloody ICO to raise millions for some idea that could be accomplished for thousands. The amount of "stupid" in this industry has reached an all time high. It will take time for everyone to learn.

Especially for mining. Someone buys a D3 and expects it to mine Litecoin. Then they ask why it doesn't work. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING.

Amen brother!! I lost count of the number of posts that go something like this......." Hi guys, I'm new here. I just got 50 D3's delivered to my door, I'm so pissed off!! They forgot the fucking power cords". ....or.... "Greetings miners, I just bought 100 D3's. What kind of PSU do I need for these things? Also, can I mine anything besides DASH with them??". Of course my all time favorite...." Hey there! Newbie here. I just started up my 25 new D3's in my studio apartment. Holleee SHIT are these things LOUD!! They're also making my apartment really HOT!! Should I get a fan or something??". SMH!!!

Forgot today's new all-time winner. " Hey, my new D3 isn't making shit on DASH, can I mine LTC with it??".

Making fun of noobs is not nice! Teach them and inform them, this is the way to go, we've all been there! And by the way, as previously mentioned, YOU CAN mine LTC with D3 using prohashing with LTC payout!

[Gladimor]

As it seems, many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

[Marvell2]

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

This makes sense , i suspect thats how Baikal does it

[AriesIV10]

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

This makes sense , i suspect thats how Baikal does it

In a Very short period of time, some other company (Baikal,..) is going to come out with this mining capability.

[BenRickert]

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

.....Or they just release a whole new miner with these changes and call it D3+ and start the whole dance over again. This is what I think would be more likely based on what we know about our friends at Bitemain.

[BenRickert]

The thing with this "gold rush" to cryptocurrencies and mining in general is that 95%+ of people entering the market this year DO NOT understand what they are buying into. Like 3 out of 5 people I spoke to in person in regards to crypto wanted to start a bloody ICO to raise millions for some idea that could be accomplished for thousands. The amount of "stupid" in this industry has reached an all time high. It will take time for everyone to learn.

Especially for mining. Someone buys a D3 and expects it to mine Litecoin. Then they ask why it doesn't work. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING.

Amen brother!! I lost count of the number of posts that go something like this......." Hi guys, I'm new here. I just got 50 D3's delivered to my door, I'm so pissed off!! They forgot the fucking power cords". ....or.... "Greetings miners, I just bought 100 D3's. What kind of PSU do I need for these things? Also, can I mine anything besides DASH with them??". Of course my all time favorite...." Hey there! Newbie here. I just started up my 25 new D3's in my studio apartment. Holleee SHIT are these things LOUD!! They're also making my apartment really HOT!! Should I get a fan or something??". SMH!!!

Forgot today's new all-time winner. " Hey, my new D3 isn't making shit on DASH, can I mine LTC with it??".

Making fun of noobs is not nice! Teach them and inform them, this is the way to go, we've all been there! And by the way, as previously mentioned, YOU CAN mine LTC with D3 using prohashing with LTC payout!

You're not mining LTC in that situation you twit. You're "mining" something else and CONVERTING IT by selling one and buying another at the going spread. As to your other ignorant comment. We DO try and help. But when they so fucking stupid that they buy 50 miners and then come in here asking basic shit, well...then they are beyond hope.

[d0r10n]

The thing with this "gold rush" to cryptocurrencies and mining in general is that 95%+ of people entering the market this year DO NOT understand what they are buying into. Like 3 out of 5 people I spoke to in person in regards to crypto wanted to start a bloody ICO to raise millions for some idea that could be accomplished for thousands. The amount of "stupid" in this industry has reached an all time high. It will take time for everyone to learn.

Especially for mining. Someone buys a D3 and expects it to mine Litecoin. Then they ask why it doesn't work. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY SOMETHING.

Amen brother!! I lost count of the number of posts that go something like this......." Hi guys, I'm new here. I just got 50 D3's delivered to my door, I'm so pissed off!! They forgot the fucking power cords". ....or.... "Greetings miners, I just bought 100 D3's. What kind of PSU do I need for these things? Also, can I mine anything besides DASH with them??". Of course my all time favorite...." Hey there! Newbie here. I just started up my 25 new D3's in my studio apartment. Holleee SHIT are these things LOUD!! They're also making my apartment really HOT!! Should I get a fan or something??". SMH!!!

hahah that made me LOL for real, funny bastard

[Marvell2]

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

.....Or they just release a whole new miner with these changes and call it D3+ and start the whole dance over again. This is what I think would be more likely based on what we know about our friends at Bitemain.

^^
Thats what is most likely to happen lol

I dont understand all the buthurt here, I guess mining at razor thing margins since 2013 has hardened me to these type of issues.

Right now 1 D3 makes around $5 a day after .10 cents power cost, even with more hash coming online at $2.50 a day it will stil pay for itself in 14 months at the $1500 I paid with shipping , I suspect I will sell it along time before that

[davemanet]

Any recommendations along with granatgas as a pool?  I want to try out different miners and see what works best for my D3's

[Chan8]

As it seems, many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

I have no clue what you are saying, everything sounds greek to me. But you know what, you just gave me some hope for the day. Lol, i hope what your saying is true and bitmain does get their developers to cook up a new firmware update for us. Multi algorithm sounds pretty good to me right now. Or this will be one of the worst investment of my life.
I will do my due diligence about what you are saying.

[maleemk]

To all the people that are claiming the Baikal devices are FPGA miners- FALSE.

FPGAs have similar performance to GPUs, but just much less power consumption. Do your research before making statements.

Baikal's previous generation used 40nm nodes on their full custom ASIC process. They originally wanted to build out their design using 90nm nodes, but of course they wouldn't have been as competitive as iBeLink and PinIdea that were also releasing X11 miners. I can presume their current design uses 28nm nodes on their ASIC. Bitmain uses 28nm for the D3 chips.

To counter you argument, Kindly explain the following,
1. Expalin Quark and Qubit Algos
2. Do you think that Other Manufacturers like Bitmain are so dump to work that out.
Its a FPGA period.

[Gladimor]

To all the people that are claiming the Baikal devices are FPGA miners- FALSE.

FPGAs have similar performance to GPUs, but just much less power consumption. Do your research before making statements.

Baikal's previous generation used 40nm nodes on their full custom ASIC process. They originally wanted to build out their design using 90nm nodes, but of course they wouldn't have been as competitive as iBeLink and PinIdea that were also releasing X11 miners. I can presume their current design uses 28nm nodes on their ASIC. Bitmain uses 28nm for the D3 chips.

To counter you argument, Kindly explain the following,
1. Expalin Quark and Qubit Algos
2. Do you think that Other Manufacturers like Bitmain are so dump to work that out.
Its a FPGA period.

Please do your own research.

Quark - uses 9 rounds of hashing from 6 DIFFERENT ALGORITHMS all of which are parts of the chained X11 algo- blake, groestl, bmw, jh, keccak, and skein.
Qubit - combination of luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

It's an ASIC period.

[COINKING84]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

[Searing]

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

.....Or they just release a whole new miner with these changes and call it D3+ and start the whole dance over again. This is what I think would be more likely based on what we know about our friends at Bitemain.

yep ...you nailed it! I'll bet if they continue with x11 that would be their next step....hell, the D3's they 'slam'd' out to us,  would completely fund such a equip upgrade to a new product

you called it!

[Gladimor]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

Do you know what X11 even is? It is comprised of 11 mining algorithms, with over half being used in other coins.

[Searing]

Well...just to wind this thread back to reality...(and the many toasters we have purchased and/or are coming)

here is today's mining results for x11 dash at 12c kwh for a 17.5gh unit at 950 watts..

Using What to Mine calculator and a variety of x11 coins listed below:


Currently, $6,96/day for Dash.

https://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&factor%5Bsha256_hr%5D=14000.0&factor%5Bsha256_p%5D=1370.0&factor%5Bscrypt_hash_rate%5D=500.0&factor%5Bscrypt_power%5D=800.0&x11f=true&factor%5Bx11_hr%5D=17500&factor%5Bx11_p%5D=1900.0&factor%5Bqk_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqk_p%5D=75.0&factor%5Bqb_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqb_p%5D=84.0&factor%5Bcost%5D=0.12&sort=Profitability24&volume=0&revenue=24h&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=abucoins&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bitfinex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bittrex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bleutrade&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=c_cex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=cryptopia&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=hitbtc&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=poloniex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=yobit&dataset=Main&commit=Calculate



I still have the feeling..that I should setup the old PC Tower and put a mess of x11 sh*t coin wallets on there..and just multi-mine a crapload of x11 other than dash and hoard...

not that it would do any good but

1) I'd have lots of cryptos that would sound impressive (in my own mind) like I have 1 billion xxx coin..worht $12.83! USD!

2) The odds are NOT as good IMHO for DASH doubling as for some unknown currently overlooked sh*t coin, that probably exists now....(Helium x11, Helium x11..where for art thou!)

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

[davemanet]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

Do you know what X11 even is? It is comprised of 11 mining algorithms, with over half being used in other coins.

Does this mean that the D3 will be profitable in the long run since you can mine so many different coins with it and you're not limited to just Dash?  So many bashing the D3 but it seems like a good miner long term.