Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3

[Searing]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

Do you know what X11 even is? It is comprised of 11 mining algorithms, with over half being used in other coins.

Does this mean that the D3 will be profitable in the long run since you can mine so many different coins with it and you're not limited to just Dash?  So many bashing the D3 but it seems like a good miner long term.

Except all the x11 coins are worth less than Dash at the present time...thus in this post previously....maybe mine a mess of them and hold ..long odds

but $6.36/day dash and 4 or so of D3's still yet to hit the world and probably an equiv 30gh batches of Innsilicon A5 units to hit also

we could be looking at 20c a day from these after electric Smiley

[bitfools]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

Do you know what X11 even is? It is comprised of 11 mining algorithms, with over half being used in other coins.

Does this mean that the D3 will be profitable in the long run since you can mine so many different coins with it and you're not limited to just Dash?  So many bashing the D3 but it seems like a good miner long term.

No, it means I'm REALLY GLAD I didn't buy one

I think there were a 1,000 ppl on this forum 2-3 months ago predicted that once these 50,000 D3's hit the street that difficulty would skyrocket and profit would go to ZERO, and the thing is like always, the experts were right.

Another thing that was predicted in August 2017 is that bit-coin-Gold is a SCAM, and guess what the experts were right, but the shills are still active,

Hell there are probably shill's for D3's;

Even BITMAIN has taken the D3 off their product list and raised the price of S-9's

IMHO NEVER buy specific single application HW, this what is great about GPU's you can make them do anything, but a D3 is not even a useful boat anchor.

CANNABIS-COIN ( marijuana coin ) is the only X11 crypto that you can mine and pay your power bill

***

Seriously I came so close to buying one back in August, so glad it didn't happen


A 1,000 Watts costs me $4/day, exactly how much profit they turn for DASH, trouble is they're a super loud space heater and the wife would not accept the noise. Next month when the 'last' 50,000 are delivered I suspect the profit will be less than $1/day for all X-11 coins.


ASIC CUSTOM Dev Kit for Algo Redeploy on D3
WRT to the assertion of redeploying the micro-code, NADA it has never happened, sure in theory somebody could offer a developer's kit and sell general purpose ASIC box at 20TH that you could pre-compile an algo, but this is NOT in the business model of BITMAIN, they want the same suckers to trash and buy new, providing U all with code would kill their business model.

[maleemk]

To all the people that are claiming the Baikal devices are FPGA miners- FALSE.

FPGAs have similar performance to GPUs, but just much less power consumption. Do your research before making statements.

Baikal's previous generation used 40nm nodes on their full custom ASIC process. They originally wanted to build out their design using 90nm nodes, but of course they wouldn't have been as competitive as iBeLink and PinIdea that were also releasing X11 miners. I can presume their current design uses 28nm nodes on their ASIC. Bitmain uses 28nm for the D3 chips.

To counter you argument, Kindly explain the following,
1. Expalin Quark and Qubit Algos
2. Do you think that Other Manufacturers like Bitmain are so dump to work that out.
Its a FPGA period.

Please do your own research.

Quark - uses 9 rounds of hashing from 6 DIFFERENT ALGORITHMS all of which are parts of the chained X11 algo- blake, groestl, bmw, jh, keccak, and skein.
Qubit - combination of luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

It's an ASIC period.

Try to explain these things to Bitmain, its look like they dont know that, Otherwise they will never let Baikalminer enjoy the privilege of being whole sole providers of MultAlgo miners. Don't give us false hope.
You give my answer
Qubit - combination of luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo. All of these algos are not th part of X11 than, you just prove my point.

[Searing]

To all the people that are claiming the Baikal devices are FPGA miners- FALSE.

FPGAs have similar performance to GPUs, but just much less power consumption. Do your research before making statements.

Baikal's previous generation used 40nm nodes on their full custom ASIC process. They originally wanted to build out their design using 90nm nodes, but of course they wouldn't have been as competitive as iBeLink and PinIdea that were also releasing X11 miners. I can presume their current design uses 28nm nodes on their ASIC. Bitmain uses 28nm for the D3 chips.

To counter you argument, Kindly explain the following,
1. Expalin Quark and Qubit Algos
2. Do you think that Other Manufacturers like Bitmain are so dump to work that out.
Its a FPGA period.

Please do your own research.

Quark - uses 9 rounds of hashing from 6 DIFFERENT ALGORITHMS all of which are parts of the chained X11 algo- blake, groestl, bmw, jh, keccak, and skein.
Qubit - combination of luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

It's an ASIC period.

Try to explain these things to Bitmain, its look like they dont know that, Otherwise they will never let Baikalminer enjoy the privilege of being whole sole providers of MultAlgo miners. Don't give us false hope.
You give my answer
Qubit - combination of luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo. All of these algos are not th part of X11 than, you just prove my point.

Yeah, it may be possible for bitmain to make a multi-algo x11 solution, but IMHO, it would be a NEW miner and they'd expect us to pay 2.5k for the 1st batch again
They would simply use such an upgrade to make a better x11 unit and sell it as such as a replacement for the D3.

(bitmain: we do evil well!) (tm bitmain)


edit: Actually, I think this is very, very what they WILL do in the future....I'd give it 3 out of 4 odds of happening....not that I'd buy one ..just saying.....

(the last time I made this prediction it was about bitmain making x11 units....I'm gonna catch hell again, if this guess to is right)

[davemanet]

why do you need to separate the X11? pick a x11 coin and mine the thing to death, just don't expect to make money on dash.

Do you know what X11 even is? It is comprised of 11 mining algorithms, with over half being used in other coins.

Does this mean that the D3 will be profitable in the long run since you can mine so many different coins with it and you're not limited to just Dash?  So many bashing the D3 but it seems like a good miner long term.

No, it means I'm REALLY GLAD I didn't buy one

I think there were a 1,000 ppl on this forum 2-3 months ago predicted that once these 50,000 D3's hit the street that difficulty would skyrocket and profit would go to ZERO, and the thing is like always, the experts were right.

Another thing that was predicted in August 2017 is that bit-coin-Gold is a SCAM, and guess what the experts were right, but the shills are still active,

Hell there are probably shill's for D3's;

Even BITMAIN has taken the D3 off their product list and raised the price of S-9's

IMHO NEVER buy specific single application HW, this what is great about GPU's you can make them do anything, but a D3 is not even a useful boat anchor.

CANNABIS-COIN ( marijuana coin ) is the only X11 crypto that you can mine and pay your power bill

***

Seriously I came so close to buying one back in August, so glad it didn't happen


A 1,000 Watts costs me $4/day, exactly how much profit they turn for DASH, trouble is they're a super loud space heater and the wife would not accept the noise. Next month when the 'last' 50,000 are delivered I suspect the profit will be less than $1/day for all X-11 coins.


ASIC CUSTOM Dev Kit for Algo Redeploy on D3
WRT to the assertion of redeploying the micro-code, NADA it has never happened, sure in theory somebody could offer a developer's kit and sell general purpose ASIC box at 20TH that you could pre-compile an algo, but this is NOT in the business model of BITMAIN, they want the same suckers to trash and buy new, providing U all with code would kill their business model.

Good points.  Any pro's with a good rebuttal to this?  I'm just interested in hearing peoples perspectives.

[bitfools]

see my above post..on mining many x11 coins

all x11 coins right now are worth LESS than mining dash

thus it is a longshot on coins other than dash...even as crummy as the return you can get on mining dash with difficulty and further equipment

again, as previous post 'guesses' .....maybe mine a bunch of sh*t coin x11's, other than dash, now and hope for a better pump then you'd get for dash at this level of dash difficulty

and yet MORE equip in the pipeline to further make this worse for us

U R right, DASH shit is better than CANNABIS but there are two other shit coins even better than dash-shit

onx $6.20
dpc
dash $5.80
cannabis $5.50

http://whattomine.com/asic

DPC & ONX will both get 10's of 1,000's of penny coins per day with a  D3

Then when U exchange them into DASH/BTC and pay the 50% fee, .... u still will not cover the power cost ( est $4/day @ 0.15 kwh)

X11 quite curious, most algo's like equihash have a clear leader, but many trade with 10%, but in the case of X11, only one has value and the rest trade at 2 satoshi, ...

Cryptonight might be the same, Ethash is interesting,

I have to ask what next trick of the one trick pony BITMAIN, can they make a faster s9? Many are saying NOT

Experts are saying they also can't do equihash or ethash anytime soon,  they must be really worried.

I suspect in a year nobody will even remember their name, like so many since 2011 that are no longer mentioned ( asic miners )


***

The future will be Gtx-1070 clones ( sucking <10 watts ) on a USB stick, deja-vu folks; Fully programmable and CUDA compliant chinese cloning
If I were BITMAIN that's what I would be working on

[bitfools]

Good points.  Any pro's with a good rebuttal to this?  I'm just interested in hearing peoples perspectives.

It's the 'disposable camera' business model, run a few hashes and toss, and buy new. Typically chinese business;

I personally NEVER buy HW that I can't MICRO-CODE, I guess that's an old-school idea, BITMAIN ain't know for its software, so NEVER expect them to offer a generalized solution, ppl say the Japanese & Koreans are both working on this, probably be closer to an FPGA, but no reason that a general purpose asic state machine couldn't be fabricated.

If I were BITMAIN I would be working on LBC large-bitcoin-collider machines, that would sell like hot-cakes next generation mining it will be more profitable to hack existing known 'rich man coins', than looking for the block of 12,6, or 3; Smart guy to could set them up to target the EDSCA-d and reduce the brute-force search to manageable time's.

This is why BTC will drag its ass on SHA2 just a matter of time before LBC HW ASIC's are released. They will sell like condoms in bangkok

***

The assertion was it NOT in BITMAINS interest to deliver a general purpose machine ( flexible micro-codable asic hw ), the domain of customers is small and they have been trained like seals to buy S1, S2, ... S9, ... S10, if the biz model works, why fix it?

I would expect that design to come from MIT, and perhaps a initial custom ASIC 1st gen fabrication be crowd sourced, and fabricated in China of course so that chip's are $1/each

[xmanzero]

Well...just to wind this thread back to reality...(and the many toasters we have purchased and/or are coming)

here is today's mining results for x11 dash at 12c kwh for a 17.5gh unit at 950 watts..

Using What to Mine calculator and a variety of x11 coins listed below:


Currently, $6,96/day for Dash.

https://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&factor%5Bsha256_hr%5D=14000.0&factor%5Bsha256_p%5D=1370.0&factor%5Bscrypt_hash_rate%5D=500.0&factor%5Bscrypt_power%5D=800.0&x11f=true&factor%5Bx11_hr%5D=17500&factor%5Bx11_p%5D=1900.0&factor%5Bqk_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqk_p%5D=75.0&factor%5Bqb_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqb_p%5D=84.0&factor%5Bcost%5D=0.12&sort=Profitability24&volume=0&revenue=24h&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=abucoins&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bitfinex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bittrex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bleutrade&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=c_cex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=cryptopia&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=hitbtc&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=poloniex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=yobit&dataset=Main&commit=Calculate



I still have the feeling..that I should setup the old PC Tower and put a mess of x11 sh*t coin wallets on there..and just multi-mine a crapload of x11 other than dash and hoard...

not that it would do any good but

1) I'd have lots of cryptos that would sound impressive (in my own mind) like I have 1 billion xxx coin..worht $12.83! USD!

2) The odds are NOT as good IMHO for DASH doubling as for some unknown currently overlooked sh*t coin, that probably exists now....(Helium x11, Helium x11..where for art thou!)

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

Oh, good. Have more profit when run D3 with 17.5 Ghs and 950w. what is parameter you set for D3?

[Searing]

Well...just to wind this thread back to reality...(and the many toasters we have purchased and/or are coming)

here is today's mining results for x11 dash at 12c kwh for a 17.5gh unit at 950 watts..

Using What to Mine calculator and a variety of x11 coins listed below:


Currently, $6,96/day for Dash.

https://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&factor%5Bsha256_hr%5D=14000.0&factor%5Bsha256_p%5D=1370.0&factor%5Bscrypt_hash_rate%5D=500.0&factor%5Bscrypt_power%5D=800.0&x11f=true&factor%5Bx11_hr%5D=17500&factor%5Bx11_p%5D=1900.0&factor%5Bqk_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqk_p%5D=75.0&factor%5Bqb_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqb_p%5D=84.0&factor%5Bcost%5D=0.12&sort=Profitability24&volume=0&revenue=24h&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=abucoins&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bitfinex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bittrex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bleutrade&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=c_cex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=cryptopia&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=hitbtc&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=poloniex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=yobit&dataset=Main&commit=Calculate



I still have the feeling..that I should setup the old PC Tower and put a mess of x11 sh*t coin wallets on there..and just multi-mine a crapload of x11 other than dash and hoard...

not that it would do any good but

1) I'd have lots of cryptos that would sound impressive (in my own mind) like I have 1 billion xxx coin..worht $12.83! USD!

2) The odds are NOT as good IMHO for DASH doubling as for some unknown currently overlooked sh*t coin, that probably exists now....(Helium x11, Helium x11..where for art thou!)

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

Oh, good. Have more profit when run D3 with 17.5 Ghs and 950w. what is parameter you set for D3?

on prohashing I think you just set x=11 (my D3's are set out to a data hall...not hands on for them nor the L3+)

others? if this in incorrect....feel free to correct (at the edge of my 'supposed' setup skills...beyond 2015, which are suspect)

[xmanzero]

Well...just to wind this thread back to reality...(and the many toasters we have purchased and/or are coming)

here is today's mining results for x11 dash at 12c kwh for a 17.5gh unit at 950 watts..

Using What to Mine calculator and a variety of x11 coins listed below:


Currently, $6,96/day for Dash.

https://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&factor%5Bsha256_hr%5D=14000.0&factor%5Bsha256_p%5D=1370.0&factor%5Bscrypt_hash_rate%5D=500.0&factor%5Bscrypt_power%5D=800.0&x11f=true&factor%5Bx11_hr%5D=17500&factor%5Bx11_p%5D=1900.0&factor%5Bqk_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqk_p%5D=75.0&factor%5Bqb_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqb_p%5D=84.0&factor%5Bcost%5D=0.12&sort=Profitability24&volume=0&revenue=24h&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=abucoins&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bitfinex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bittrex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bleutrade&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=c_cex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=cryptopia&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=hitbtc&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=poloniex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=yobit&dataset=Main&commit=Calculate



I still have the feeling..that I should setup the old PC Tower and put a mess of x11 sh*t coin wallets on there..and just multi-mine a crapload of x11 other than dash and hoard...

not that it would do any good but

1) I'd have lots of cryptos that would sound impressive (in my own mind) like I have 1 billion xxx coin..worht $12.83! USD!

2) The odds are NOT as good IMHO for DASH doubling as for some unknown currently overlooked sh*t coin, that probably exists now....(Helium x11, Helium x11..where for art thou!)

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

Oh, good. Have more profit when run D3 with 17.5 Ghs and 950w. what is parameter you set for D3?

on prohashing I think you just set x=11 (my D3's are set out to a data hall...not hands on for them nor the L3+)

others? if this in incorrect....feel free to correct (at the edge of my 'supposed' setup skills...beyond 2015, which are suspect)

Thanks you, I will try with 10 D3 on batch 20-30 November. It make me very sad )))

[blastar]

Well...just to wind this thread back to reality...(and the many toasters we have purchased and/or are coming)

here is today's mining results for x11 dash at 12c kwh for a 17.5gh unit at 950 watts..

Using What to Mine calculator and a variety of x11 coins listed below:


Currently, $6,96/day for Dash.

https://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&factor%5Bsha256_hr%5D=14000.0&factor%5Bsha256_p%5D=1370.0&factor%5Bscrypt_hash_rate%5D=500.0&factor%5Bscrypt_power%5D=800.0&x11f=true&factor%5Bx11_hr%5D=17500&factor%5Bx11_p%5D=1900.0&factor%5Bqk_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqk_p%5D=75.0&factor%5Bqb_hr%5D=450.0&factor%5Bqb_p%5D=84.0&factor%5Bcost%5D=0.12&sort=Profitability24&volume=0&revenue=24h&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=abucoins&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bitfinex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bittrex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=bleutrade&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=c_cex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=cryptopia&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=hitbtc&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=poloniex&factor%5Bexchanges%5D%5B%5D=yobit&dataset=Main&commit=Calculate



I still have the feeling..that I should setup the old PC Tower and put a mess of x11 sh*t coin wallets on there..and just multi-mine a crapload of x11 other than dash and hoard...

not that it would do any good but

1) I'd have lots of cryptos that would sound impressive (in my own mind) like I have 1 billion xxx coin..worht $12.83! USD!

2) The odds are NOT as good IMHO for DASH doubling as for some unknown currently overlooked sh*t coin, that probably exists now....(Helium x11, Helium x11..where for art thou!)

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

Oh, good. Have more profit when run D3 with 17.5 Ghs and 950w. what is parameter you set for D3?

on prohashing I think you just set x=11 (my D3's are set out to a data hall...not hands on for them nor the L3+)

others? if this in incorrect....feel free to correct (at the edge of my 'supposed' setup skills...beyond 2015, which are suspect)

Hi, no, you need a=x11 in the password field.

[may142012]

Are Prohashing and Nicehash still good? Any crash in the past few days?

[mdude77]

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

I don't recall Bitmain promising anything other than to deliver the goods?  And that they did.  Furthermore, what they delivered worked better than what they promised!

From that perspective, Bitmain more than delivered.

It's the buyers that thought they could make money hand over fist non stop.

M

[may142012]

3) The tower would keep me busy and occupy my thoughts ...away...from the 'snake oil' salesman of Bitmain.....

I don't recall Bitmain promising anything other than to deliver the goods?  And that they did.  Furthermore, what they delivered worked better than what they promised!

From that perspective, Bitmain more than delivered.

It's the buyers that thought they could make money hand over fist non stop.

M

Thank you Bitmain!

[superzebra]

so all of these buyrs just lost investments?

[mdude77]

so all of these buyrs just lost investments?

That's for each buyer to decide.

You have to determine what to do... hold on, mine a scam coin, resell and cut your losses...

None are nice and easy like most originally thought they'd be.

M

[may142012]

so all of these buyrs just lost investments?

They thought they could make thousand of dollars each month, so rather holding btc, they bought trashes from Bitmain.

[caymanguy]

so all of these buyrs just lost investments?

They thought they could make thousand of dollars each month, so rather holding btc, they bought trashes from Bitmain.

its the time to say good bye
i bought 1 from amazon its 5000$ d3
and another one from bitmain direct 1500 $
the 5000$ come today and the 1500$ i use it for 1 weak
for aprofit of 2 dollar aday i dont want this noisy heater so i decided to switch it OFF
thx bitshit for ur product

BYe

[lashatatu]

i just calculated who bought september batch they got around 1800 usd from each D3, not yet ROI still 900 usd to go not counting PSU price and import taxes and also electricity

and there are people who bought it for 10k from resellers they will never see ROI

we made mistake purchasing this unit, but some people did worse then us

but this will be good educational point for all of us

[D3 Antminer]

try this
there is nothing to lose

https://www.change.org/p/https-twitter-com-bitmaintech-d3-antminer-firmware-update-for-additional-mining-algorithms?recruiter=831205993&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=share_petition