Innosilicon A5 DashMaster 30.2G 750W

[milagm]

I got 6 of the D3's for the Nov batch, the ROI is going to go down but I'm praying the price of BTC keeps going up because then ROI is still huge for a payback of at least 3 months and then anything after is just pure profit.  

Lucky u. Don't worry. Fluctuations belongs to this game. It wasn't many weeks ago when pure bitcoin mining was somethin $2/day. Now it's $9 and Bitcoin cash (SHA256) much more. Just patience and you will be ok !

btw. There will be a new difficulty hit nov/dec when the next batch will be activated. But again just patience and it will settle.

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[cuteman]

I got 6 of the D3's for the Nov batch, the ROI is going to go down but I'm praying the price of BTC keeps going up because then ROI is still huge for a payback of at least 3 months and then anything after is just pure profit.  

Lucky u. Don't worry. Fluctuations belongs to this game. It wasn't many weeks ago when pure bitcoin mining was somethin $2/day. Now it's $9 and Bitcoin cash (SHA256) much more. Just patience and you will be ok !

Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?

[milagm]

Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?

It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.

Has been few days allready...
 

[Marvell2]

Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?

It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.

Has been few days allready...
 

yup S9s are quite good if you can keep them from dying lol, best thing. to do is order more than u need keep some in
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they  have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares

[milagm]

yup S9s are quite good if you can keep them from dying lol, best thing. to do is order more than u need keep some in
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they  have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares

With the current price of $1265 where you can (have to) buy by the BTC which you of course have purchased much lower price it really is a good deal. Just look at it as an investment which will give you a pretty good annual returns.

In long term stock market gives you 9% p.a. so from this point of view S9 is way much better vehicle

btw. I recommend you to run all of your units fully and if something goes bad then it goes. You should get better returns by this way.

[cuteman]

Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?

It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.

Has been few days allready...
 

thanks, very good income indeed, twice more than BTC

[candymonkey]

I'd be surprised if they were not off this time  Grin

[mateuscmsp]

It seems that in 2018 we will have Japan and Russia developing ASIC machines: https://news.bitcoin.com/japans-internet-giant-gmo-launching-bitcoin-mining-with-7nm-chips/

With decentralization, Samsung, Intel and just like these big companies will be able to make these chips in bulk ... That would really be wonderful: https://news.bitcoin.com/7nm-asics-will-bring-bitcoin-mining-to-a-whole-new-level/

[Mr_Snipes]

You can bet your ass on Bitmain not sitting on their hands the whole time.
I would not pronounce them dead or about to loose their almost-monopoly just yet.
These new companies will have to request capacities at TSMC /Globalfoundries once they have their chip ready to put on silicon.
They will not have own fabs. Even Apple and AMD mostly use TSMC, because a FAB costs more than a bilion to build.
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything.
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.

[milagm]

You can bet your ass on Bitmain not sitting on their hands the whole time...
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything...
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.

Very well said.

I feel strongly we will hear some news from Bitmain at the beginning of 2018 and would not be surprised to receive some new ASIC versions (maybe not models) even on the first half of 2018.

It will be very interesting next 1-3 years in this battle.

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Innosilicon will be out of this game if they will not lower their pricing to the same level as their competitor. It is bs try to explain the price gap with quality or other nonsense. It is the hashing power per invested dollars which rules only until someone invent something really new in power efficiency.

[Propagandalf]

Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?

[milagm]

Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?

IMO I would say this is for sure.

Chip manufacturers are saying something like this:

https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/06/13/globalfoundries-7nm-chips-coming-2018-euv-2019
http://www.androidauthority.com/who-will-be-the-first-manufacturer-to-7nm-757916

So how long does it take to develop new ASIC models from these chips may take some time so maybe it will be 2019 until retail level can buy products based on these chips ?!

Hopefully we will see a lot of new ASIC manufacturers popping up -> lower prices and more availability. Maybe new unexpected players from Russia or other countries ?

[Propagandalf]

That was a very good read, thanks. I agree with you!

Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?

IMO I would say this is for sure.

Chip manufacturers are saying something like this:

https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/06/13/globalfoundries-7nm-chips-coming-2018-euv-2019
http://www.androidauthority.com/who-will-be-the-first-manufacturer-to-7nm-757916

So how long does it take to develop new ASIC models from these chips may take some time so maybe it will be 2019 until retail level can buy products based on these chips ?!

Hopefully we will see a lot of new ASIC manufacturers popping up -> lower prices and more availability. Maybe new unexpected players from Russia or other countries ?

[Mr_Snipes]

My comment was targeted towards people writing off bitmain as soon as japan etc. enters the game- i agree that the next generation will
take some time to be ready as well. While they throw them out like toasters when they can produce them, it takes a wile to develop a new toaster
And everything else must be read to manufacture.

[BattleField]

My comment was targeted towards people writing off bitmain as soon as japan etc. enters the game- i agree that the next generation will
take some time to be ready as well. While they throw them out like toasters when they can produce them, it takes a wile to develop a new toaster
And everything else must be read to manufacture.

7nm will take at least Three years. but I want competition.

[Liquid71]

Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?

It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.

Has been few days allready...
 

yup S9s are quite good if you can keep them from dying lol, best thing. to do is order more than u need keep some in
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they  have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares

ummm 30 percent failure rate... bulllshit lol and you just have two miners collecting dust as spare parts, waste of money. Even if your 30% number was dead on, you would only need one for spare parts not waste money on two, that's expecting 50% failure rate and ignoring they have warranty reapir centers in the U.S. I hate Bitmain as a company but their miners are solid. If you are having them fail so bad you need spares for parts you're doing something wrong. I'd suggest getting it hosted, cheaper electric and onsite repairs, considering you wasted money on two spares you could pay for a couple years hosting at giga watt for that. https://www.gigawatt.sg/shop/?_ga=2.222753371.1956162695.1507928400-132385317.1507928400
Besides Avalon Bitmain are the most reliable Bitcoin miners in the industry. Not sure how you're having such difficulties but they come with warranty and there are repair centers, and if you're ordering some for spare parts you just shouldn't be mining get it hosted and save/make a lot more than keeping 50% extra for spare parts lmao

[Liquid71]

Just got an email from Innosilicon letting me know they are delayed by two weeks on the A5 Dashmaster delivery. They said the foundry is at fault and that there will be some reworking required. Sounds like the A4 Dominator fiasco again. I would advise everybody who was thinking about it to NOT buy batch 2.

WOW I was speculating that they would be unable to meet specs. They said 30ghs at 750watts which i thought would be incredible if they could do it. This is good news for D3 owners. A miner running 30gh/s would require a lot more power since it would also require a lot more cooling. Dont know how Innosilicon will meet specs advertised. The worst part is they take all the money upfront and force customers to wait while they experiment with prototypes.

Nobody forced customers, they willingly handed over money. Can't fix stupid

[Dockin]

Innosilicon just released a video of the Dashmaster A5 (not really in action.. but in physical form at least)
https://youtu.be/9nyIewRpB4U

They state in the video that "32.5Gh is achieved with only 720W in our standard default mode. That is over 3 times more power efficient then competition in market" which is actually true.

Innosilicon:
32.5Gh / 720W = 0.045139Gh/W

Antminer D3:
17Gh / 1200W = 0.0141667Gh/W

If the specs check out then inno might still be profitable as a long term investment where as I see the D3 as a short term ROI then trailing off when the difficulty becomes to high to remain profitable. I mean yeah, the ones who bought the first batch of D3's probably will get their ROI soon already.. but in the end.. only the strongest survive!

[cuteman]

Innosilicon just released a video of the Dashmaster A5 (not really in action.. but in physical form at least)
https://youtu.be/9nyIewRpB4U

They state in the video that "32.5Gh is achieved with only 720W in our standard default mode. That is over 3 times more power efficient then competition in market" which is actually true.

Innosilicon:
32.5Gh / 720W = 0.045139Gh/W

Antminer D3:
17Gh / 1200W = 0.0141667Gh/W

If the specs check out then inno might still be profitable as a long term investment where as I see the D3 as a short term ROI then trailing off when the difficulty becomes to high to remain profitable. I mean yeah, the ones who bought the first batch of D3's probably will get their ROI soon already.. but in the end.. only the strongest survive!

38 GH/s(+/-8%, in 1250w overclock mode) - which is even better:   0,0304 !  - this is 4.5 times more efficient.

But $10k price is still TOO high......

[cuteman]

You can buy 7 D3s for the price of 1 A5.