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April 21, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
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One need not idolize CSW in order to have a reasoned preference for the principles that Satoshi instilled in Bitcoin from the outset.

Bitcoin is allowed to evolve without your permission and only a concrete headed shlub would insist that Bitcoin Craig is a truer version of bitcoin than bitcoin.

You can keep being wrong all you like, and the markets will continue proving that you are wrong.

more alternative facts from nutildah today.

There is NO LEGAL definition in ANY COUNTRY as to what constitutes bitcoin, therefore there is no right or wrong.

Telling someone they are wrong based on their personal definition of bitcoin is a dictatorship.

This troll is really desperate. Trolling over in bsv or here in bch, doesn't matter.  Spending time with nonsense posts and untrue content.

Ignore is a good option here..

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April 21, 2019, 06:09:29 PM
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just a bump on this quote.

... a reasoned preference for the principles that Satoshi instilled in Bitcoin from the outset. Especially seeing as the parties that fuckitated the original protocol are by and large economic ignoramuses who made public pronouncements in Bitcoin's early days that it 'just plain couldn't work'.

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April 21, 2019, 07:22:10 PM
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just a bump on this quote.

... a reasoned preference for the principles that Satoshi instilled in Bitcoin from the outset. Especially seeing as the parties that fuckitated the original protocol are by and large economic ignoramuses who made public pronouncements in Bitcoin's early days that it 'just plain couldn't work'.

Aaand btc just should not

https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/1119264697147064322

So btc turned into Notbitcoin  a

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April 21, 2019, 11:47:03 PM
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What a very nice project you have here! Smiley
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April 22, 2019, 04:19:43 AM
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One need not idolize CSW in order to have a reasoned preference for the principles that Satoshi instilled in Bitcoin from the outset.

Bitcoin is allowed to evolve without your permission and only a concrete headed shlub would insist that Bitcoin Craig is a truer version of bitcoin than bitcoin.

You can keep being wrong all you like, and the markets will continue proving that you are wrong.

more alternative facts from nutildah today.

There is NO LEGAL definition in ANY COUNTRY as to what constitutes bitcoin, therefore there is no right or wrong.

Telling someone they are wrong based on their personal definition of bitcoin is a dictatorship.

Oh my god you live in an actual dictatorship and you think someone saying 'you're wrong' constitutes a dictatorship. How detached from reality are you? I know that's a redundant question, the answer is 100%.

The markets have decided what is bitcoin and what is not. You're free to believe in whatever discordance with reality you choose, and you will continue to suffer financially as a result. Money talks, bullshit walks.





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April 22, 2019, 05:53:10 AM
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The markets have decided what is bitcoin and what is not.

No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

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April 22, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
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Coin is available on market Yobit
You can sell it there :   https://yobit.net/en/trade/BCHABC/USD
Current price : $305

Very nice price    Cool
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April 22, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
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One need not idolize CSW in order to have a reasoned preference for the principles that Satoshi instilled in Bitcoin from the outset.

Bitcoin is allowed to evolve without your permission and only a concrete headed shlub would insist that Bitcoin Craig is a truer version of bitcoin than bitcoin.

You can keep being wrong all you like, and the markets will continue proving that you are wrong.

more alternative facts from nutildah today.

There is NO LEGAL definition in ANY COUNTRY as to what constitutes bitcoin, therefore there is no right or wrong.

Telling someone they are wrong based on their personal definition of bitcoin is a dictatorship.

Oh my god you live in an actual dictatorship and you think someone saying 'you're wrong' constitutes a dictatorship. How detached from reality are you? I know that's a redundant question, the answer is 100%.

The markets have decided what is bitcoin and what is not. You're free to believe in whatever discordance with reality you choose, and you will continue to suffer financially as a result. Money talks, bullshit walks.

A dictatorship involves un democratic rule. You telling us that we are wrong because our views on what is bitcoin do not align with yours is a dictatorship because no rule has been established as to what constitutes bitcoin. You have not given any precedent as to why bitcoin is BTC but rather slandering those who do not agree with you. You are a dictator and guys like Lauda who have abused their hierarchy of control and power to assign negative feedback to those whose views do not align with yours towards bitcoin have oppressed the opinions of those against your unprecedented rulings.

The markets are a third party completely irrelevant to what constitutes bitcoin. You’re telling me that Apple is ruled by NASDAQ?

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 22, 2019, 01:42:48 PM
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The markets have decided what is bitcoin and what is not.

No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

Trolls have a very static mind. Its too hard for them to see that our world is very dynamic and things are changing, especially in the electronic world, when things cannot scale for world wide adoption.

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April 22, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
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BCH and BSV - what's the difference if both are for a big block? As I understand BCH tend to solve problems as they come in, now quite block of 8 MB and 80 TPS for the deduction of charges 1 Satos for bytes, so the block there is 8 MB but BSV wants billions TPS to now make ready for the entire network and to make impossible the future intervention of the developers

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April 22, 2019, 04:44:38 PM
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BCH and BSV - what's the difference if both are for a big block? As I understand BCH tend to solve problems as they come in, now quite block of 8 MB and 80 TPS for the deduction of charges 1 Satos for bytes, so the block there is 8 MB but BSV wants billions TPS to now make ready for the entire network and to make impossible the future intervention of the developers

I think you answered your own question.

BCH seems to strive for continuous innovation at the protocol layer.

SV seems to strive for stabilizing the protocol at a state that already handles all meaningful use cases.

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April 23, 2019, 05:21:59 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868.msg50732546#msg50732546

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April 23, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
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No one is against BCH if they correct the facts that it is altcoin and that's why we see it in this section. Having Bitcoin at the start of name juts misleading the newbies and lot of people have lost money in this confusion. If you compete based on true work and on technical basis then stage is free but using brand name to confuse people is all on what people don't agree.
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April 23, 2019, 07:31:10 AM
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A dictatorship involves un democratic rule. You telling us that we are wrong because our views on what is bitcoin do not align with yours is a dictatorship because no rule has been established as to what constitutes bitcoin. You have not given any precedent as to why bitcoin is BTC but rather slandering those who do not agree with you. You are a dictator and guys like Lauda who have abused their hierarchy of control and power to assign negative feedback to those whose views do not align with yours towards bitcoin have oppressed the opinions of those against your unprecedented rulings.

The markets are a third party completely irrelevant to what constitutes bitcoin. You’re telling me that Apple is ruled by NASDAQ?

I gave you plenty of reasoning as to why btc is bitcoin and you, like jbreher, just shove your fingers in your ears and say 'no no no no' like 4 year olds. The markets, the exchanges and the consumers have decided via majority opinion that btc is bitcoin. You are free to dissent but nobody gives a shit, and you certainly aren't making an impactful change on reality.

Btw if the forum was run by dictators Lauda would have just banned your ass, but you're still here flapping your gums, so what are you crying about?





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April 23, 2019, 12:16:21 PM
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A dictatorship involves un democratic rule. You telling us that we are wrong because our views on what is bitcoin do not align with yours is a dictatorship because no rule has been established as to what constitutes bitcoin. You have not given any precedent as to why bitcoin is BTC but rather slandering those who do not agree with you. You are a dictator and guys like Lauda who have abused their hierarchy of control and power to assign negative feedback to those whose views do not align with yours towards bitcoin have oppressed the opinions of those against your unprecedented rulings.

The markets are a third party completely irrelevant to what constitutes bitcoin. You’re telling me that Apple is ruled by NASDAQ?

I gave you plenty of reasoning as to why btc is bitcoin and you, like jbreher, just shove your fingers in your ears and say 'no no no no' like 4 year olds. The markets, the exchanges and the consumers have decided via majority opinion that btc is bitcoin. You are free to dissent but nobody gives a shit, and you certainly aren't making an impactful change on reality.

Btw if the forum was run by dictators Lauda would have just banned your ass, but you're still here flapping your gums, so what are you crying about?

Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 23, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
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No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

Remember when the narrative from most "big blockers" was that Bitcoin was the most cumulative hashrate as defined in the whitepaper and that miners ultimately decide/vote on the direction of Bitcoin influenced by market forces?

Now that Bcash has failed to convince the majority of users, miners, exchanges, merchants, devs it is pivoting to defining bitcoin as ones individual subjective interpretation and ignoring the whitepaper.

The Hypocrisy.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Bcash supporters made the wrong bet and despite all the evidence over a sustained time will still remain stubbornly delusional because admitting otherwise is simply too painful.
They are hanging on a glimmer of hope that the market will rush over to their altcoin during the next bull market because of fees ignoring this has already been tested in 2017 and making the incorrect assumption that they exist in a vacuum and incorrectly believing they are the only substitute good available. 
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No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

Remember when the narrative from most "big blockers" was that Bitcoin was the most cumulative hashrate as defined in the whitepaper and that miners ultimately decide/vote on the direction of Bitcoin influenced by market forces?

Now that Bcash has failed to convince the majority of users, miners, exchanges, merchants, devs it is pivoting to defining bitcoin as ones individual subjective interpretation and ignoring the whitepaper.

The Hypocrisy.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Bcash supporters made the wrong bet and despite all the evidence over a sustained time will still remain stubbornly delusional because admitting otherwise is simply too painful.
They are hanging on a glimmer of hope that the market will rush over to their altcoin during the next bull market because of fees ignoring this has already been tested in 2017 and making the incorrect assumption that they exist in a vacuum and incorrectly believing they are the only substitute good available. 

But isn’t that the beauty of it? The capitalist economic model that allows miners to compete on hashrate? So that developers cannot change the rule set and power is eliminated at base protocol level. That’s gone with lightning, they’ve merely tried to eliminate the purpose of mining and give power to a development team (blockstream) who collect the fees instead of the miners.

It’s very difficult for me to understand why blockstream should capitalize on the bitcoin network as a whole, how 8 people control the fate of development when a system is available for miners to compete on an equal playing field.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 23, 2019, 01:45:47 PM
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So that developers cannot change the rule set and power is eliminated at base protocol level. That’s gone with lightning, they’ve merely tried to eliminate the purpose of mining and give power to a development team


Developers cannot force code on economic nodes whether regular full nodes or miners.

You are also going off topic with a conspiracy theory instead of acknowledging that Bcash supporters have changed their narrative



It’s very difficult for me to understand why blockstream should capitalize on the bitcoin network as a whole, how 8 people control the fate of development when a system is available for miners to compete on an equal playing field.

There are many implementations and many companies and users which benefit from Bitcoin, not just that insignificant(In relation to the size of the whole ecosystem) company
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April 23, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
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Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

Courts don't have to rule on common sense issues in order for the world to turn. Bitcoin doesn't need court rulings to exist. Satoshi was not a lawyer and he created bitcoin for all to use.

No government has to rule on the definition of bitcoin for bitcoin to continue being bitcoin. I really don't see what point you're even driving at. Just trying to eek out a hollow victory to punctuate your string of losses I suppose.





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April 23, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
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Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

*snip unprecedented irrelevant opinion inapplicable to any legal system.

No court in any legal system in any country has ruled what constitutes Bitcoin.


Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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