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building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
Mate seriously take it easy... You are too concerned about the tokens, do you need me to send you some coins in order for you to chill? This will take some time to hit an exchange so maybe you shouldnt be here waiting for a quick $... The distribution at this stage is irrelevant, there are a lot more important subjects to disscuss and solve like you posted on previous posts and i agree with some of them... guess what dude... it is now becoming obvious what the issue is... its you! if you think i have a need for your petty bullshit your very mistaken! how about you take your super imposed over the top excellency and go where it is appreciated? your snotty and greater then thou attitude twords me is really getting old! as you should already know im always ready to take things a step further then most so if that is your intentions just voice you ass again and i will certainly oblige! if not i think it would be best for you to stay the fuck off replying on my posts for the simple reason to aggravate me!
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SlowGrowth
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August 13, 2017, 01:08:09 PM |
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building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
Mate seriously take it easy... You are too concerned about the tokens, do you need me to send you some coins in order for you to chill? This will take some time to hit an exchange so maybe you shouldnt be here waiting for a quick $... The distribution at this stage is irrelevant, there are a lot more important subjects to disscuss and solve like you posted on previous posts and i agree with some of them... guess what dude... it is now becoming obvious what the issue is... its you! if you think i have a need for your petty bullshit your very mistaken! how about you take your super imposed over the top excellency and go where it is appreciated? your snotty and greater then thou attitude twords me is really getting old! as you should already know im always ready to take things a step further then most so if that is your intentions just voice you ass again and i will certainly oblige! if not i think it would be best for you to stay the fuck off replying on my posts for the simple reason to aggravate me! I dont care what psychological disturbs you have, im not a psychologist to be able to help you, so im just gonna ignore your inferiority syndrome... My point is that you keep creating issues over how many participants, the time for their votes and how many coins you will get, that investors wont take this seriously... Again i agree with some points and i think those are the ones that should be disscussed ( agility, commitment, organisation, project, etc ). Stop with that bullshit attitute because if you wanna dance i can dance too... And just like in the past, ill never back down from any rational disscussion ( if you can have one ).And if you simply cant have a rational conversation you better not reply to me at all because, just like in the past, things will not end up well for you...
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AmoreJaz
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August 13, 2017, 01:13:16 PM |
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building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
Mate seriously take it easy... You are too concerned about the tokens, do you need me to send you some coins in order for you to chill? This will take some time to hit an exchange so maybe you shouldnt be here waiting for a quick $... The distribution at this stage is irrelevant, there are a lot more important subjects to disscuss and solve like you posted on previous posts and i agree with some of them... guess what dude... it is now becoming obvious what the issue is... its you! if you think i have a need for your petty bullshit your very mistaken! how about you take your super imposed over the top excellency and go where it is appreciated? your snotty and greater then thou attitude twords me is really getting old! as you should already know im always ready to take things a step further then most so if that is your intentions just voice you ass again and i will certainly oblige! if not i think it would be best for you to stay the fuck off replying on my posts for the simple reason to aggravate me! I dont care what psychological disturbs you have, im not a psychologist to be able to help you, so im just gonna ignore your inferiority syndrome... My point is that you keep creating issues over how many participants, the time for their votes and how many coins you will get, that investors wont take this seriously... Again i agree with some points and i think those are the ones that should be disscussed ( agility, commitment, organisation, project, etc ). Stop with that bullshit attitute because if you wanna dance i can dance too... And just like in the past, ill never back down from any rational disscussion ( if you can have one ).And if you simply cant have a rational conversation you better not reply to me at all because, just like in the past, things will not end up well for you... if you think you can do anything to me please TRY! i love this kind of childish game! your a fucking ass and a wanna be big guy! show me what you got bitch
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August 13, 2017, 01:25:58 PM |
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building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
Mate seriously take it easy... You are too concerned about the tokens, do you need me to send you some coins in order for you to chill? This will take some time to hit an exchange so maybe you shouldnt be here waiting for a quick $... The distribution at this stage is irrelevant, there are a lot more important subjects to disscuss and solve like you posted on previous posts and i agree with some of them... guess what dude... it is now becoming obvious what the issue is... its you! if you think i have a need for your petty bullshit your very mistaken! how about you take your super imposed over the top excellency and go where it is appreciated? your snotty and greater then thou attitude twords me is really getting old! as you should already know im always ready to take things a step further then most so if that is your intentions just voice you ass again and i will certainly oblige! if not i think it would be best for you to stay the fuck off replying on my posts for the simple reason to aggravate me! I dont care what psychological disturbs you have, im not a psychologist to be able to help you, so im just gonna ignore your inferiority syndrome... My point is that you keep creating issues over how many participants, the time for their votes and how many coins you will get, that investors wont take this seriously... Again i agree with some points and i think those are the ones that should be disscussed ( agility, commitment, organisation, project, etc ). Stop with that bullshit attitute because if you wanna dance i can dance too... And just like in the past, ill never back down from any rational disscussion ( if you can have one ).And if you simply cant have a rational conversation you better not reply to me at all because, just like in the past, things will not end up well for you... if you think you can do anything to me please TRY! i love this kind of childish game! your a fucking ass and a wanna be big guy! show me what you got bitch lool when do you realise that this is not about me or you? There are more then 500 other people involved in this project... Besides i dont need to prove myself to you, thats the beauty of the internet, i can be nobody or i can be everyone... Try to be more productive and less negative and you wont have to worry about me...
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lisasteca
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August 13, 2017, 01:28:17 PM |
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When the distributions will take, this is long way to get ours bounty i suppose , anyway project look nice hope to see the website at least.
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AmoreJaz
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August 13, 2017, 01:33:36 PM |
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When the distributions will take, this is long way to get ours bounty i suppose , anyway project look nice hope to see the website at least.
in reference... building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
the dev dosent reply directly as he is pretending to be a bot! and the actual distribution is constantly evaded as discussion! so no one knows when this airdrop will actually happen! and or IF it ever will!
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SlowGrowth
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August 13, 2017, 01:46:13 PM |
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When the distributions will take, this is long way to get ours bounty i suppose , anyway project look nice hope to see the website at least.
in reference... building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
the dev dosent reply directly as he is pretending to be a bot! and the actual distribution is constantly evaded as discussion! so no one knows when this airdrop will actually happen! and or IF it ever will! Why are you guys so worried about the distribution? It seems we are talking about some kind of ICO or something... Did any of you guys invested any money here? NO... Does anyone owe you anything? NO... So why not let the river follow its course? We cant use the tokens for anything atm anyway so whats the rush? Just to clarify some assumptions that might be happening right now in some people minds, I dont have anything to do with this project besides beeing a supporter just like everyone here... What i DO know is how development works and how things sometimes get more complicated then we antecipated and thats why its vital to give some time and space to every project in the begining otherwise we risk making more harm then good...
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SlowGrowth
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August 13, 2017, 02:02:25 PM |
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When the distributions will take, this is long way to get ours bounty i suppose , anyway project look nice hope to see the website at least.
in reference... building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
the dev dosent reply directly as he is pretending to be a bot! and the actual distribution is constantly evaded as discussion! so no one knows when this airdrop will actually happen! and or IF it ever will! Why are you guys so worried about the distribution? It seems we are talking about some kind of ICO or something... Did any of you guys invested any money here? NO... Does anyone owe you anything? NO... So why not let the river follow its course? We cant use the tokens for anything atm anyway so whats the rush? Just to clarify some assumptions that might be happening right now in some people minds, I dont have anything to do with this project besides beeing a supporter just like everyone here... What i DO know is how development works and how things sometimes get more complicated then we antecipated and thats why its vital to give some time and space to every project in the begining otherwise we risk making more harm then good... i came here for the airdrop and i am doing what is expected of me to receive my tokens. there are many of us here that came for this reason and are still here waiting for the airdrop! its nice you think differently but that is your thought not the thoughts of many on the list! Oh cool so your speaking for everybody right? Im just glad you cleared out you were here just for the airdrop...
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Saralovessports1867
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August 13, 2017, 02:23:02 PM |
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Hey guys. I am eligible Newbie cause my account was created before 1st may. And also I did everything that is required. But I don't see my nickname in the spreadsheet. Anyone can help me? Should I send one more PM to Dropper?
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vinipoars
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August 13, 2017, 02:53:53 PM |
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Does anyone know what this "BCTalk Generation" entry in the spreadsheet means? Thanks!
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CaVO32
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August 13, 2017, 02:58:38 PM |
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Does anyone know what this "BCTalk Generation" entry in the spreadsheet means? Thanks!
that is when you first make your account on this forum BTW it is shown on your profile also
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qiman
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August 13, 2017, 02:59:14 PM |
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Hello, I just made the Chinese translation, I tried to do the bbcode but it was too complicated as I have time constraints due to full time job but I will be checking the OP in the evenings every other day. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2085462.msg20842321#msg20842321
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vinipoars
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August 13, 2017, 03:15:55 PM |
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Does anyone know what this "BCTalk Generation" entry in the spreadsheet means? Thanks!
that is when you first make your account on this forum BTW it is shown on your profile also Thanks for your clarification. So, no action required here, right?
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lisasteca
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August 13, 2017, 03:17:37 PM |
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When the distributions will take, this is long way to get ours bounty i suppose , anyway project look nice hope to see the website at least.
in reference... building a community and trying to make it functional is great...but i think many have forgotten a few basic ideas.... like this id for genesis collection and is a AIRDROP., with the fact that the dev seems to hide behind his status as a BOT and NOT GIVING OUT ANY INFO DIRECTLY RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION . Dose anyone else have these concerns?
the dev dosent reply directly as he is pretending to be a bot! and the actual distribution is constantly evaded as discussion! so no one knows when this airdrop will actually happen! and or IF it ever will! Why are you guys so worried about the distribution? It seems we are talking about some kind of ICO or something... Did any of you guys invested any money here? NO... Does anyone owe you anything? NO... So why not let the river follow its course? We cant use the tokens for anything atm anyway so whats the rush? Just to clarify some assumptions that might be happening right now in some people minds, I dont have anything to do with this project besides beeing a supporter just like everyone here... What i DO know is how development works and how things sometimes get more complicated then we antecipated and thats why its vital to give some time and space to every project in the begining otherwise we risk making more harm then good... personally i am not wondering about the distributions, it was just nice to know when it will be the distributions, some more info so everyone know what will happens the next! if dev decide to distribute the next years for me is ok as long we know something...
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Burmik123
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And we go again.
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August 13, 2017, 03:18:35 PM |
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Does anyone know what this "BCTalk Generation" entry in the spreadsheet means? Thanks!
that is when you first make your account on this forum BTW it is shown on your profile also Thanks, i did not know that. ALso, where i ccan check my airdrop status? Because i did not find any tokens in my wallet yet.
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Jarod1231
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August 13, 2017, 03:44:22 PM |
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Hey guys. I am eligible Newbie cause my account was created before 1st may. And also I did everything that is required. But I don't see my nickname in the spreadsheet. Anyone can help me? Should I send one more PM to Dropper?
yea. the Dev made a new spreadsheet for eligible newbies and Jr members. and the regular people on the other spread sheet needs to vote you guys in i guess! but this has turned into some kind of game where the Dev aint answering nothing and others think they are in charge! if i was you id send that guy another pm but he is very known for changing rules and procedures without letting anyone know on the front page. good luck to you and hope we all get our token soon!or even someday at least! Dev is busy determining activity of users so we know how many coins we will receive, its only been two days, relax. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2068554.msg20796167#msg20796167
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daunjuan
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August 13, 2017, 03:48:23 PM |
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Voted and PM, lets see where this goes
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Saralovessports1867
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August 13, 2017, 04:19:45 PM |
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Hey guys. I am eligible Newbie cause my account was created before 1st may. And also I did everything that is required. But I don't see my nickname in the spreadsheet. Anyone can help me? Should I send one more PM to Dropper?
yea. the Dev made a new spreadsheet for eligible newbies and Jr members. and the regular people on the other spread sheet needs to vote you guys in i guess! but this has turned into some kind of game where the Dev aint answering nothing and others think they are in charge! if i was you id send that guy another pm but he is very known for changing rules and procedures without letting anyone know on the front page. good luck to you and hope we all get our token soon!or even someday at least! Dev is busy determining activity of users so we know how many coins we will receive, its only been two days, relax. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2068554.msg20796167#msg20796167Thanks for clarification, guys! I'll be waiting for any news from Dev or Dropper then
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ZaoXhou
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August 13, 2017, 04:39:21 PM |
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Lot of things unclear, so not much discuss right now. Awaiting dev for info.
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