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August 06, 2015, 03:51:10 PM |
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Let me dumb it down for all of us ;
If you are not a whale that is playing on my website , you can wait , you are an unimportant insect on my way , bring on the whales and please crush the ants on your way out.
What the hell does it mean "dust-sized bets are slow" , WHY? can we not make small bets? Hell there are websites that stop using bitcoin as gambling currency and started "bits" and "satoshis" so people can bet smaller and yet still look like they are betting big. You ignore people with your horrible customer service and have really slow bets but oh sorry , only for dust-size people like us right.
"Dust" sized bets have small delay only to lower the stress on the servers . And given that most of that small bets are made from faucet , not many users are affected other than that playing from faucet. So if you are playing with free money i hope you can cope with bit slower bets and not put much stress on the server. That's just my thoughts, don't take it as official pd statement ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) .
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Stunna (OP)
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August 06, 2015, 03:53:18 PM |
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Let me dumb it down for all of us ;
If you are not a whale that is playing on my website , you can wait , you are an unimportant insect on my way , bring on the whales and please crush the ants on your way out.
What the hell does it mean "dust-sized bets are slow" , WHY? can we not make small bets? Hell there are websites that stop using bitcoin as gambling currency and started "bits" and "satoshis" so people can bet smaller and yet still look like they are betting big. You ignore people with your horrible customer service and have really slow bets but oh sorry , only for dust-size people like us right.
This has nothing to do with being a whale. PD gets over 13,000,000 rolls daily and the majority of these come from the faucet. Every single dust sized roll (many many fractions of a penny) have to be added to our DB and all of the provably fair information has to be stored and accessible as well.This is a fair compromise between having to outright set a minimum bet and I think it's more than functional as each roll even when throttled will generally take a second or less. Generally this type of delay will only effect users that are claiming from the faucet and betting those funds.
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Aleator
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August 06, 2015, 03:55:02 PM |
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Even if someone is playing with free money , I would want faster speed , hell I would want quick bets SPECIALLY if I am betting with faucet. The main purpose for faucet was to get people on the hook and show them how great primedice is and keep them there (tough many people try to use faucet as a way of making coins which I do not agree) , so 1 satoshi or 10 bitcoins , slow speed has no fracking purpose at all.
Get better servers if its a thing.
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BetterBets.io
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August 06, 2015, 03:56:43 PM |
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Let me dumb it down for all of us ;
If you are not a whale that is playing on my website , you can wait , you are an unimportant insect on my way , bring on the whales and please crush the ants on your way out.
What the hell does it mean "dust-sized bets are slow" , WHY? can we not make small bets? Hell there are websites that stop using bitcoin as gambling currency and started "bits" and "satoshis" so people can bet smaller and yet still look like they are betting big. You ignore people with your horrible customer service and have really slow bets but oh sorry , only for dust-size people like us right.
Often the reason for this is database sizes, I'm not saying it is good/bad for business but this may be one of the reasons their site is doing this. It does affect the experience for players in the low to mid-sized range though I agree, this is a hard decision for admins and balancing database/player satisfaction.
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Stunna (OP)
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August 06, 2015, 03:58:34 PM |
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Let me dumb it down for all of us ;
If you are not a whale that is playing on my website , you can wait , you are an unimportant insect on my way , bring on the whales and please crush the ants on your way out.
What the hell does it mean "dust-sized bets are slow" , WHY? can we not make small bets? Hell there are websites that stop using bitcoin as gambling currency and started "bits" and "satoshis" so people can bet smaller and yet still look like they are betting big. You ignore people with your horrible customer service and have really slow bets but oh sorry , only for dust-size people like us right.
Often the reason for this is database sizes, I'm not saying it is good/bad for business but this may be one of the reasons their site is doing this. It does affect the experience for players in the low to mid-sized range though I agree, this is a hard decision for admins and balancing database/player satisfaction. A ~one second roll is pretty reasonable on a dust sized bet. I don't see how this would negatively impact anyone unless you were trying to do millions and millions of dust rolls. The vast majority of hosting costs come from faucet players currently and this would only increase if we were to remove the delay entirely on those bets.
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Aleator
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August 06, 2015, 04:02:37 PM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
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BetterBets.io
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August 06, 2015, 04:02:51 PM |
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Let me dumb it down for all of us ;
If you are not a whale that is playing on my website , you can wait , you are an unimportant insect on my way , bring on the whales and please crush the ants on your way out.
What the hell does it mean "dust-sized bets are slow" , WHY? can we not make small bets? Hell there are websites that stop using bitcoin as gambling currency and started "bits" and "satoshis" so people can bet smaller and yet still look like they are betting big. You ignore people with your horrible customer service and have really slow bets but oh sorry , only for dust-size people like us right.
Often the reason for this is database sizes, I'm not saying it is good/bad for business but this may be one of the reasons their site is doing this. It does affect the experience for players in the low to mid-sized range though I agree, this is a hard decision for admins and balancing database/player satisfaction. A ~one second roll is pretty reasonable on a dust sized bet. I don't see how this would negatively impact anyone unless you were trying to do millions and millions of dust rolls. The vast majority of hosting costs come from faucet players currently and this would only increase if we were to remove the delay entirely on those bets. Yes, these players are pretty vocal as some of their strategies range during a betting session from 1 satoshi up to 1 btc (Fibonacci's being one example). We had to throttle bets under 100 satoshi a little as well and feel your pain with DB management. Finding a balance is not an easy task for sure.
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MICRO
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August 06, 2015, 04:06:42 PM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db.
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JerryCurlzzz
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August 06, 2015, 08:47:35 PM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db. You can't compare dust bets from Just Dice to dust bets from Primedice. Just dice is in Clams and it's way faster even with 0.00001 CLAM, that's about 10 satoshi by the way. I never experienced any slow bets, because I always do 0.01 BTC+, just my view on this dust thing.
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birdcat90
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August 07, 2015, 04:17:29 AM |
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my bot said unable to fetch the balance..
does primedice on maintenance? because my bot not working for now..please confirmation..thanks
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tspacepilot
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August 07, 2015, 06:10:11 AM |
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my bot said unable to fetch the balance..
does primedice on maintenance? because my bot not working for now..please confirmation..thanks
Logging in via the website works just fine for me. Maybe it's time for you to try it yourself (or check your bot!). Good luck!
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zzaza
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August 07, 2015, 07:24:19 AM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db. You can't compare dust bets from Just Dice to dust bets from Primedice. Just dice is in Clams and it's way faster even with 0.00001 CLAM, that's about 10 satoshi by the way. I never experienced any slow bets, because I always do 0.01 BTC+, just my view on this dust thing. I think he meant when JD was using BTC, then there was really 4s delay on bets less than 10 satoshi or so. With dust bets on PD i can make 100k bets per day using bot, i tested on JD too, and got almost the same result, it was 110k i think. I think it is reasonable to have delay on small bets, especially for faucet users, what i think would be great, to remove delay for users who deposited their btc and not playing from faucet. But i guess it is not so easy to implement.
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JerryCurlzzz
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August 07, 2015, 10:32:56 AM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db. You can't compare dust bets from Just Dice to dust bets from Primedice. Just dice is in Clams and it's way faster even with 0.00001 CLAM, that's about 10 satoshi by the way. I never experienced any slow bets, because I always do 0.01 BTC+, just my view on this dust thing. I think he meant when JD was using BTC, then there was really 4s delay on bets less than 10 satoshi or so. With dust bets on PD i can make 100k bets per day using bot, i tested on JD too, and got almost the same result, it was 110k i think. I think it is reasonable to have delay on small bets, especially for faucet users, what i think would be great, to remove delay for users who deposited their btc and not playing from faucet. But i guess it is not so easy to implement. I vote to remove faucet then.. why the fuck is it even there? It gives just a few hundreds satoshi, that's not even 1 cent. Why do people gamble if they don't have any money?
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apriyani420
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August 07, 2015, 10:36:36 AM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db. You can't compare dust bets from Just Dice to dust bets from Primedice. Just dice is in Clams and it's way faster even with 0.00001 CLAM, that's about 10 satoshi by the way. I never experienced any slow bets, because I always do 0.01 BTC+, just my view on this dust thing. I think he meant when JD was using BTC, then there was really 4s delay on bets less than 10 satoshi or so. With dust bets on PD i can make 100k bets per day using bot, i tested on JD too, and got almost the same result, it was 110k i think. I think it is reasonable to have delay on small bets, especially for faucet users, what i think would be great, to remove delay for users who deposited their btc and not playing from faucet. But i guess it is not so easy to implement. I vote to remove faucet then.. why the fuck is it even there? It gives just a few hundreds satoshi, that's not even 1 cent. Why do people gamble if they don't have any money? why do people play lotteries then if they have only a few cents to buy ticket and want to win a million? thats nearly the same with the faucet, also it brings more players to the game
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always123
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August 07, 2015, 10:38:29 AM |
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Is there no way for you in technological aspect to find a way to make it as instant as 1 btc for 1 satoshi? If there is a way , have you tried it?
I played primedice since it was primedice 1 , hell even in primedice 3 it was faster when it first started after sometime. But recently , specially this last 2 months , its killing me , slower then it should.
You are right , you think about the faucet players and you are totally right . But consider people who bet small so they can get their gambling addiction in the lower amounts rather then spending shit ton of money losing all and crippling their lives , some of us have to keep on playing just to play , not to win or lose.
Well it was faster at start . Less players and db didn't need to have 6B+ bets ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Every bigger site does that . Just dice had 4s delay on "dust" bets. Its just the easiest way to lower the stress on servers and db. You can't compare dust bets from Just Dice to dust bets from Primedice. Just dice is in Clams and it's way faster even with 0.00001 CLAM, that's about 10 satoshi by the way. I never experienced any slow bets, because I always do 0.01 BTC+, just my view on this dust thing. I think he meant when JD was using BTC, then there was really 4s delay on bets less than 10 satoshi or so. With dust bets on PD i can make 100k bets per day using bot, i tested on JD too, and got almost the same result, it was 110k i think. I think it is reasonable to have delay on small bets, especially for faucet users, what i think would be great, to remove delay for users who deposited their btc and not playing from faucet. But i guess it is not so easy to implement. I vote to remove faucet then.. why the fuck is it even there? It gives just a few hundreds satoshi, that's not even 1 cent. Why do people gamble if they don't have any money? why do people play lotteries then if they have only a few cents to buy ticket and want to win a million? thats nearly the same with the faucet, also it brings more players to the game yes i agree with you it makes game more intersting
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arallmuus
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August 07, 2015, 10:43:01 AM |
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I vote to remove faucet then.. There is no ongoing voting here why the fuck is it even there? For tryout puposes so that someone could risk nothing to try out the game but then there is always a play money option to replace faucet but the thrill of winning isnt as huge as playng with real satoshis even if it is just few hundreds. Plus some success story of risking few hundreds satoshi from faucet and play with huge multiplier always drive people nuts if you check on the chatbox. It gives just a few hundreds satoshi, that's not even 1 cent. For some people it is better than risking their own BTCWhy do people gamble if they don't have any money?
Why would people not be gambling a few cents ? There isnt any restriction in gambling about someone should not be gambling if he only have a few cents also that some people dont gamble to win but for the shear of fun, for the thrill of winning and ofcourse addiction to gamble.
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GrandmaJean
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August 07, 2015, 10:58:14 AM |
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also i can add up that the faucet is a kind of a reward for the whales out there who bet huge amounts of money and then can use a max paying faucet and maybe get back some of the looses they had
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August 07, 2015, 11:04:13 AM |
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The faucet is fun for newbs and gets people interested or hooked to gamble the own money. I don't think it'd be a big loss if it was removed but it likely brings in more customers so has a benefit. If it didn't stunna would have likely removed it by now. also i can add up that the faucet is a kind of a reward for the whales out there who bet huge amounts of money and then can use a max paying faucet and maybe get back some of the looses they had
I doubt whales are going to bother trying to recoup losses via the faucet. Waste of time for even newbs.
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BitBatFan
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August 07, 2015, 11:14:14 AM |
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What's the maximum faucet amount that primedice can give? How many bets per second can be reached if player uses autobot with large bets?
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zzaza
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August 07, 2015, 12:17:38 PM |
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What's the maximum faucet amount that primedice can give? How many bets per second can be reached if player uses autobot with large bets?
Max faucet is 10k satoshi.
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