KNCMiner Sell order#

[ridgeback]

Hi all,

I'm among the first 500 at swedish miner company knc. I'm having second thoughts about this large investment. What price would you guys think I would get if I sold my order#/place in queue?

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[jeroenn13]

Hi all,

I'm among the first 500 at swedish miner company knc. I'm having second thoughts about this large investment. What price would you guys think I would get if I sold my order#/place in queue?

I am in the first #50. Pre orders for KNC aint worth shit.

[redcomet]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

[ridgeback]

Yeah, maybe you are right. Thanks for your quick answers.

[kncminer]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

[redcomet]

I stand corrected -

Though I do remember seeing that someone with a large order number asked about getting into batch one and supposedly you told him that it was the payment order that mattered.

[Twh]

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for
as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest

I'm not even gonna complain about the numerous things wrong with this, why bother.

[Mats8500]

If someone would be willing to buy my ranking or partner, I have 2XX (first quarter). Send me a private msg to do so.

[jeroenn13]

If someone would be willing to buy my ranking or partner, I have 2XX (first quarter). Send me a private msg to do so.

Also PM if you are interested.
Order ID under #50 of the first 500.

[idee2013]

Hello,

i have to sell 3 order IDs between
530 and 555 for the first 500 KNC miners. PM me. Escrow through "John" is possible.

[pitchbend]

Each order allows the customer to buy up to 3 machines, this means only up to order #167 are guaranteed to get into the first batch, even if many people don't order more than 1 machine (or at all), how are you supposed to get into the first 500 batch of machines with a #530 order?

Hello,

i have to sell 2 order IDs between
530 and 540 for the first 500 KNC miners. PM me. Escrow through "John" is possible.

[kevcoins]

I have some very nice low order number ( below 100)  from 1st batch let me know if you are interested 

[DPoS]

I have an order under 100 as well..  i might take a chance with these guys..  can't be worse than the guys who bought BFLs last summer

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

You tell me how the FUCK you are going to have any fucking time to handle this selling pre-order shit?

Out of all the motherfuckin' questions that you've been asked on this forum and have ignored, or claimed to be too busy, you take the time to post this with a promise that you'll handle it on your end via mega emails, all of which will take tremendous time.

Well, here's what I think. I fuckin' think that some of the people that will  be selling their pre-orders will be you, for there's no fuckin' way we would know differently.

A couple hundred pre-orders that you control racks up to be a pretty big chunk of change.

Let's just see how many NEWBIES start posting their pre-orders for sale, all of which Sam, et al., will make time to make sure that the transaction goes smoothly.

This is fucked up on so many levels.

You guys don't really want to know what I really believe.

What a motherfuckin' scam this all has turned out to be.

[seleme]

wow, we have another ultra pre-order marketplace, haha BFL, watch your back 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

wow, we have another ultra pre-order marketplace, haha BFL, watch your back  

Thread is created, and KNCMINER just happens to be around to comment 26 minutes later on this thread, promising to take care of the transfers on their end, yet doesn't have time to answer simple motherfuckin' questions for over a month, citing that they're busy.

It wouldn't surprise me the least if they opt to start taking pre-order moneys prior to the meeting they've promised first, making up some damn excuse as to why such a meeting needs to be put on hold.

[stripykitteh]

Yeah, I can understand people who've been waiting for months for BFL to get their act together getting fed up, but KnC have only been around for a little while and haven't even asked for money yet.

KnC, if you're reading this, I like the idea of giving everyone 7 days to pay for their Mars, if they want one. That's fair. Everyone who is serious about being a customer of your company commits at that time and pre-order early birds get the benefit. So leave it at that. You have far more important things to be worrying about at the moment than letting people sell their pre-order queue position. Please go and get on with making your product.

[a1phanumrc]

Same deal, order 17* for first 500.

I don't have the nerve to follow ASIC progress all Summer.

Escrow is fine until KnC confirms transfer.

[Zubilica]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

So if somebody that preordered a few units but never intends to buy your merchandise will be able to sell his preorders. And a actual customer who who is willing to pay and has the money will have to wait in line. Great way to do business , even better than BFL.

I was enthusiastic about KnCminer products, but you are doing your best to piss us off.

First VAT not this , whats next ? We will be able to pickup orders only from the Moon ?

[whitefeather]

and here I thought the BFL epic saga was one for the ages... this one is shaping up to be an even more sinister plot. Part of me is still holding out hope that nothing nefarious and slimy is behind this nordic newco.

[dwdoc]

I don't think kncminer has thought this through. I bet they change this policy once they start accepting payment.

[newmars]

Agree with this. I booked the pre-order because I'm really interested and intend to buy the actual product, while now I may have to buy early number from somebody who may have no intention/financial support to buy it at beginning? No sense this way. I may just have to focus on other companies who truly consider their actual customers.

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

So if somebody that preordered a few units but never intends to buy your merchandise will be able to sell his preorders. And a actual customer who who is willing to pay and has the money will have to wait in line. Great way to do business , even better than BFL.

I was enthusiastic about KnCminer products, but you are doing your best to piss us off.

First VAT not this , whats next ? We will be able to pickup orders only from the Moon ?

[suryc]

Has KNC even announced that they are planning a quantity of 500 for the first batch? I didn't see that anywhere, just curious where that number is coming from.

[stripykitteh]

This is rewarding pure speculators who have invested nothing in the product. It stinks, and it doesn't reflect well on a company that actively supports the idea.

[TheSwede75]

This is rewarding pure speculators who have invested nothing in the product. It stinks, and it doesn't reflect well on a company that actively supports the idea.

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[idee2013]

Each order allows the customer to buy up to 3 machines, this means only up to order #167 are guaranteed to get into the first batch, even if many people don't order more than 1 machine (or at all), how are you supposed to get into the first 500 batch of machines with a #530 order?

Hello,

i have to sell 3 order IDs between
530 and 555 for the first 500 KNC miners. PM me. Escrow through "John" is possible.

This is one line of my Order Mail vom KNC:

"The desired goods: KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500"

This is an answer from Sam as i asked him, how this is going when i have a order numbers over 500:

> Hi
>
> You have a golden ticket and you will be able to buy a jupiter with
> that number.
> There is no need for you to buy mars
>
>
> Sam

A few weeks ago, there was a possibility to choose between 2 KNC Products at the the KNC shop.
1. 100% price for products 1-500
2. 50% price for products over 500

I have choosen the the first one and preordered it.

[kncminer]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

[stripykitteh]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

Ah, but we're not at the stage yet of paid orders, are we?

If you plan to deliver a timely product, such scamming shouldn't be much of an issue. It's only when the manufacturer has been holding on to payments for months and not delivering anything that you can excuse people getting itchy feet.

Representatives from your company have previously said you expect a high-drop out rate from pre-orders (I don't have the link but I know it's been repeated in the main KnC thread several times). But now, if you've given people with an early pre-order who were never serious about buying your products a green light to sell their spot in the queue (which is most of your pre-orders if your earlier admission is correct), you are only inviting a frenzy of further speculation.

I think rewarding speculation at this point is only going to pour fuel on the fire.

Good luck.

[alfabitcoin]

Preorders should simply need to stop. That is a main problem. Sell product in heand and not reservation. If company need finance then they need to have a contract with peple willing to invest. Preorders are free loan witgout obligations.
Sam, i find this answering in preorder trade totaly absurd and wrong. Why you dont take a time to read and answer some real important questions in other thread?

[Zubilica]

You still don't get it, you allow speculators to make money of your product , without spending a single dime. Risk free. When a investor  with actual intentions of buying will have to include in ROI speculators fee.

[stripykitteh]

You still don't get it, you allow speculators to make money of your product , without spending a single dime. Risk free. When a investor  with actual intentions of buying will have to include in ROI speculators fee.

Yes, and if KnC support it they will have to hire people to maintain a secondary market in trading queue spots. What's stopping someone who pays $5,000 for a spot in the first 50 orders from reselling it a couple of days later for $7,000?

KnC, do you realize what you are countenancing here?

[dan99]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

You tell me how the FUCK you are going to have any fucking time to handle this selling pre-order shit?

Out of all the motherfuckin' questions that you've been asked on this forum and have ignored, or claimed to be too busy, you take the time to post this with a promise that you'll handle it on your end via mega emails, all of which will take tremendous time.

Well, here's what I think. I fuckin' think that some of the people that will  be selling their pre-orders will be you, for there's no fuckin' way we would know differently.

A couple hundred pre-orders that you control racks up to be a pretty big chunk of change.

Let's just see how many NEWBIES start posting their pre-orders for sale, all of which Sam, et al., will make time to make sure that the transaction goes smoothly.

This is fucked up on so many levels.

You guys don't really want to know what I really believe.

What a motherfuckin' scam this all has turned out to be.

+1

I shouldn't even have taken the time to write my post. This says it all.

If you are from Sweden maybe you can visit them in one of their open house? customers in butterfly and avalon has been selling their pre-orders, they is nothing wrong. is always FIFO or those who are late in their orders, LILO

[stripykitteh]

Hopefully this idea is only born of naiveté, not stupidity or mendacity.

Most engineers are not very business savvy.

[kevcoins]

Seems like those who order late really not happy to those that order early.. is perfectly normal and acceptable if someone choose to sell their pre order, it is an individual choice.

[stripykitteh]

Seems like those who order late really not happy to those that order early.. is perfectly normal and acceptable if someone choose to sell their pre order, it is an individual choice.

That's not the point. This isn't about speculators, it's about the integrity of KnC.

Why would a company that admits that most pre-orders were not serious be happy to reward those same non-serious speculators?

Would you feel comfortable handing over a large sum of money to such a company? TheSwede75 is an early pre-order, and he's/she's decided to cancel. Do you see why?

[kevcoins]

Seems like those who order late really not happy to those that order early.. is perfectly normal and acceptable if someone choose to sell their pre order, it is an individual choice.

That's not the point. This isn't about speculators, it's about the integrity of KnC.

Why would a company that admits that most pre-orders were not serious be happy to reward those same non-serious speculators?

Would you feel comfortable handing over a large sum of money to such a company? TheSwede75 is an early pre-order, and he's/she's decided to cancel. Do you see why?

is an individual choice .. whatever they decides

[stripykitteh]

Seems like those who order late really not happy to those that order early.. is perfectly normal and acceptable if someone choose to sell their pre order, it is an individual choice.

That's not the point. This isn't about speculators, it's about the integrity of KnC.

Why would a company that admits that most pre-orders were not serious be happy to reward those same non-serious speculators?

Would you feel comfortable handing over a large sum of money to such a company? TheSwede75 is an early pre-order, and he's/she's decided to cancel. Do you see why?

is an individual choice .. whatever they decides

OK, I'll take that as a 'no'. Good luck with your business dealings with such a company. Ciao!

[Twh]

is an individual choice .. whatever they decides

With BFL and Avalon people are selling pre-orders they have paid for. Here, people are selling 20 seconds of work, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If it was paid pre-orders that they made transferable, then that's at least understandable, but this is ridiculous.

[stripykitteh]

Thank god I hit the preorder button about 50 times. So who wants positions < #300? 3BTC each.

LOL, KnC, do you want to deal with this? 

[dan99]

why so hard in making a choice ..

[klintay]

Sam, there will be 500 in the first batch? How soon do you plan to sell the 1st, 2nd and 3rd batches?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

And this is exactly what I would pen if I had low queue numbers to sell acting as the go-between. Fuckin' genius!

Do it for the child!

Protect those from getting scammed! (Gulp! Sounds like me, but you know what I meant.)

[stripykitteh]

Well, thanks KnC. You've demonstrated through your behaviour today exactly what I could expect from you if I was to become one of your customers. You've just saved me some money and heartache, I expect.

[johnyj]

Is it possible to resell a BFL pre-order?

[Paya]

Serious buyer with live cash in his hands will have to wait in line while people who put early preorder are playing their little speculative game, without actually ever investing a cent in product? And all this is supported and arranged by the company? Unbelievable...

[pikeadz]

I think his intentions were good, but he was probably a little naive and didn't really think this through.  Now that all of this has been pointed out, his pride is preventing him from changing the policy.  You know what they say about pride and the fall...  hopefully he can come to terms with that, change the policy and move on.  The people have spoken man.  They are your customers.  And while I realize it is not a democracy, you should view such unanimous disdain as guidance.  Respect them.  We don't need another prideful BFL in this world.

[KS]

Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

100 000 000 BTC (one hundred million).

wait, Is this the right thread?  oh.... 

[KS]

Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

100 000 000 BTC (one hundred million).

wait, Is this the right thread?  oh.... 

Hmmm (thinks to himself) "Maybe I should have gone for 100 000 000 000 BTC (one hundred billion)."

100 000 000 000 BTC (one hundred billion)

There you go. Looks much better. Happy now.

[KS]

Hey, I'm the first one to make an offer in this thread. Does that count? Can I resell my place# in the other thread? Will the OP nicely take care of the formalities for me? I'm pretty sure I would have the winning bid.

[stripykitteh]

Hey, I'm the first one to make an offer in this thread. Does that count? Can I resell my place# in the other thread? Will the OP nicely take care of the formalities for me? I'm pretty sure I would have the winning bid.

Only if I can be #2 behind you. Actually, I was thinking of starting my own thread where people can bid to be the first to respond to my post. Highest bid wins. Thinking about starting the bidding at BTC6. Any takers?

EDIT: Hey wow, it turns out that my close friends and family and my work colleagues all have pre-orders in to be the first to post in my new thread. No. 1 is my cat, but I think she'll reluctantly step aside for BTC10.

[dwdoc]

I feel sorry for the next vendor that allows pre-orders. The first person that discovers it will pre-order 1000 times.

[KS]

Hey, I'm the first one to make an offer in this thread. Does that count? Can I resell my place# in the other thread? Will the OP nicely take care of the formalities for me? I'm pretty sure I would have the winning bid.

Only if I can be #2 behind you. Actually, I was thinking of starting my own thread where people can bid to be the first to respond to my post. Highest bid wins. Thinking about starting the bidding at BTC6. Any takers?

EDIT: Hey wow, it turns out that my close friends and family and my work colleagues all have pre-orders in to be the first to post in my new thread. No. 1 is my cat, but I think she'll reluctantly step aside for BTC10.

OK. I'm selling the #2 spot behind me (great idea BTW!).

Best offers please.

NB: serious buyers only!

[KS]

I feel sorry for the next vendor that allows pre-orders. The first person that discovers it will pre-order 1000 times.

I bet you could even script a bot to register for you... 1000 times pfffff, step aside noob!

[kendog77]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

I think this is a decent policy that should apply after the original customer pays. It only takes 2 minutes to place a "pre-order" on your website, so folks that never had any intention of buying should not be financially rewarded if they don't have any skin in the game.

Make the original buyers pay to find out who is serious and purge the queue, and if they decide to sell afterwards you can help facilitate transfers.

[KS]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

I think this is a decent policy that should apply after the original customer pays. It only takes 2 minutes to place a "pre-order" on your website, so folks that never had any intention of buying should not be financially rewarded if they don't have any skin in the game.

Make the original buyers pay to find out who is serious and purge the queue, and if they decide to sell afterwards you can help facilitate transfers.

The best policy is to not mess with the orders.

User pays and gets the product (free to resell it afterwards).

User doesn't pay and the order is canceled.

[Twh]

I think this is a decent policy that should apply after the original customer pays. It only takes 2 minutes to place a "pre-order" on your website, so folks that never had any intention of buying should not be financially rewarded if they don't have any skin in the game.

Make the original buyers pay to find out who is serious and purge the queue, and if they decide to sell afterwards you can help facilitate transfers.

This is a more decent way to do it, at least this filters out the small-scale speculators. There's nothing wrong with this and it actually does exactly what they want to do. I don't really understand what mental mixup made them create the system they claim to have now. By far the best is just disallowing order transfers. Buyers should be cautious when buying from others, that's the end of it, it's not the manufacturer's fault or responsibility that they weren't careful and got scammed.

In the end the core issue is that this queue exists, it doesn't make any sense.

[eve]

I may have some units available do contact me as early as possible. first come first serve. PM me please.

[Bitcoinorama]

I think this is a decent policy that should apply after the original customer pays. It only takes 2 minutes to place a "pre-order" on your website, so folks that never had any intention of buying should not be financially rewarded if they don't have any skin in the game.

Make the original buyers pay to find out who is serious and purge the queue, and if they decide to sell afterwards you can help facilitate transfers.

This is a more decent way to do it, at least this filters out the small-scale speculators. There's nothing wrong with this and it actually does exactly what they want to do. I don't really understand what mental mixup made them create the system they claim to have now. By far the best is just disallowing order transfers. Buyers should be cautious when buying from others, that's the end of it, it's not the manufacturer's fault or responsibility that they weren't careful and got scammed.

In the end the core issue is that this queue exists, it doesn't make any sense.

+1

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I may have some units available do contact me as early as possible. first come first serve. PM me please.

Eve. Now that's a nice, fresh douche-bag shill name. I bet you put a lot of thought into that one.

[stripykitteh]

I may have some units available do contact me as early as possible. first come first serve. PM me please.

Eve. Now that's a nice, fresh douche-bag shill name. I bet you put a lot of thought into that one.

Yeah, she's a fast learner. She joined the forum 2 days ago, was asking neophyte questions about solo mining yesterday and now she's got some hard to get hold of hardware. A regular little Einstein. Either that or you've exposed a shill factory, Phinnaeus.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Hi all,

I'm among the first 500 at swedish miner company knc. I'm having second thoughts about this large investment. What price would you guys think I would get if I sold my order#/place in queue?

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

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[Phinnaeus Gage]

Hi all,

I'm among the first 500 at swedish miner company knc. I'm having second thoughts about this large investment. What price would you guys think I would get if I sold my order#/place in queue?

I am in the first #50. Pre orders for KNC aint worth shit.

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

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Posts:   67
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Date Registered:   April 08, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
Last Active:   Today at 12:00:28 PM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   kncminer
Posts:   46
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 07, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:06:28 PM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

If someone would be willing to buy my ranking or partner, I have 2XX (first quarter). Send me a private msg to do so.

Also PM if you are interested.
Order ID under #50 of the first 500.

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   Mats8500
Posts:   19
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   March 30, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
Last Active:   May 31, 2013, 04:00:16 PM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

If someone would be willing to buy my ranking or partner, I have 2XX (first quarter). Send me a private msg to do so.

Also PM if you are interested.
Order ID under #50 of the first 500.

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   jeroenn13
Posts:   67
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 08, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
Last Active:   Today at 12:00:28 PM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Hello,

i have to sell 2 order IDs between
530 and 540 for the first 500 KNC miners. PM me. Escrow through "John" is possible.

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   idee2013
Posts:   8
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   May 07, 2013, 03:49:42 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:14:32 PM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I have some very nice low order number ( below 100)  from 1st batch let me know if you are interested 

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   kevcoins
Posts:   65
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 10, 2013, 06:09:34 AM
Last Active:   Today at 11:31:54 AM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I have an order under 100 as well..  i might take a chance with these guys..  can't be worse than the guys who bought BFLs last summer

<possibly not relative>

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid.  
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value.  

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

Thanks Sam,

My pre-order number is less than 40.  Anyone wants to buy my order, please send me or post your offer.  

Thank you,
Peter

<possibly not relative>

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Same deal, order 17* for first 500.

I don't have the nerve to follow ASIC progress all Summer.

Escrow is fine until KnC confirms transfer.

<possibly not relative>

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

Defends their action!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Thank god I hit the preorder button about 50 times. So who wants positions < #300? 3BTC each.

On the fence with this guy:

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   plasmoske
Posts:   61
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   February 22, 2013, 06:19:24 AM
Last Active:   Today at 08:07:21 AM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I may have some units available do contact me as early as possible. first come first serve. PM me please.

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   eve
Posts:   24
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   May 29, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:42:37 PM

[Bitcoinorama]

Phinnaeus you loon, where's the beef if they accept credit card payment?! You're protected.

You're going nuts with this nonsense.

My phone pings me with each response, well did, I'm changing that now. It's Saturday, get some fresh air ffs.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

All sellers of KNCMiner pre-order queues should expect to see the same if I expect them to be shills.

Phinneus you loon, where's the beef if they accept credit card payment?! You're protected.

You're going nuts with this nonsense.

We're talking about the sale of pre-order queue numbers by bitcoiners to other bitcoiners via Bitcoin, and not the sales that have yet to take place on KNC's site for the actual mining rigs.

Big difference!

[Bitcoinorama]

All sellers of KNCMiner pre-order queues should expect to see the same if I expect them to be shills.

Phinneus you loon, where's the beef if they accept credit card payment?! You're protected.

You're going nuts with this nonsense.

We're talking about the sale of pre-order queue numbers by bitcoiners to other bitcoiners via Bitcoin, and not the sales that have yet to take place on KNC's site for the actual mining rigs.

Big difference!

Well yes then personally I'd wait until we see an ASIC for all parties. You'd be able to sell you pre-order for a great deal more once a prototype is confirmed and verified!

[Twh]

Well yes then personally I'd wait until we see an ASIC for all parties. You'd be able to sell you pre-order for a great deal more once a prototype is confirmed and verified!

You can't do that, your order turns invalid if you don't pay within 7 days of the pre-orders opening, which is another really shitty decision on KnCMiner's end. That said, don't give him attention, this is clear shitposting now.

[Bitcoinorama]

Well yes then personally I'd wait until we see an ASIC for all parties. You'd be able to sell you pre-order for a great deal more once a prototype is confirmed and verified!

You can't do that, your order turns invalid if you don't pay within 7 days of the pre-orders opening, which is another really shitty decision on KnCMiner's end. That said, don't give him attention, this is clear shitposting now.

No I meant for resale. Pay by credit card for maximal first-hand buyer protection. Check with your bank w.r.t. what they offer your card purchases.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Well yes then personally I'd wait until we see an ASIC for all parties. You'd be able to sell you pre-order for a great deal more once a prototype is confirmed and verified!

You can't do that, your order turns invalid if you don't pay within 7 days of the pre-orders opening, which is another really shitty decision on KnCMiner's end. That said, don't give him attention, this is clear shitposting now.

Hell, Sam should just take the bitcoins from the buyer of the pre-order queue position, putting the seller's pre-order in the new buyer's name, then give a receipt.

[Twh]

No I meant for resale. Pay by credit card for maximal first-hand buyer protection. Check with your bank w.r.t. what they offer your card purchases.

Oh, yes, but most people don't have the $7k (or $9k with VAT) to actually register the order. Indeed the first units will probably be worth at least twice their price. If they actually manage to ship a large amount though, they will quickly lose value.
Edit, on top of that, the credit card only covers you for 120 days if I interpreted what was posted earlier right. If they start accepting payments this month, that will still barely cover the current estimated shipping date, if you don't have an order in the first 500, then it won't cover it entirely. That's assuming they won't be late, which is just unrealistic, no matter how often they claim they won't be; it's just a matter of "how much".

[Bitcoinorama]

Well yes then personally I'd wait until we see an ASIC for all parties. You'd be able to sell you pre-order for a great deal more once a prototype is confirmed and verified!

You can't do that, your order turns invalid if you don't pay within 7 days of the pre-orders opening, which is another really shitty decision on KnCMiner's end. That said, don't give him attention, this is clear shitposting now.

Hell, Sam should just take the bitcoins from the buyer of the pre-order queue position, putting the seller's pre-order in the new buyer's name, then give a receipt.

I'm guessing that's his intention since he intends to mediate to avoid eBay scams from taking place...

[Bitcoinorama]

Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

Lowered the starting bid to BTC4.  Anyone?

Dude you certainly shouldn't be partisan to any of this until we know exactly what is happening with respect to orders, payment and resale. KnC could just as well turn around and not honour your sale or your order position if you do this outside of whatever means they suggest is acceptable. You need them to verify changing the address details with a confirmation and they have yet to stipulate what the terms for resale actually are.

Don't get ahead of yourself, or cause anyone to loose their virtual monies.

Sincerely.

[Bitcoinorama]

Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

Lowered the starting bid to BTC4.  Anyone?

Dude you certainly shouldn't be partisan to any of this until we know exactly what is happening with respect to orders, payment and resale. KnC could just as well turn around and not honour your sale or your order position if you do this outside of whatever means they suggest is acceptable. You need them to verify changing the address details with a confirmation and they have yet to stipulate what the terms for resale actually are.

Don't get ahead of yourself, or cause anyone to loose their virtual monies.

Sincerely.

huh?  They said there is no problem transferring the pre-order to another person.  Look around.  Pre-orders are being sold left and right.
I just want to sell mine.  What is your problem?   I don't want for people to lose money.  What are you talking about?

This...

(I've underlined the bits you may not have paid attention to)

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

[KS]

No I meant for resale. Pay by credit card for maximal first-hand buyer protection. Check with your bank w.r.t. what they offer your card purchases.

Oh, yes, but most people don't have the $7k (or $9k with VAT) to actually register the order. Indeed the first units will probably be worth at least twice their price. If they actually manage to ship a large amount though, they will quickly lose value.
Edit, on top of that, the credit card only covers you for 120 days if I interpreted what was posted earlier right. If they start accepting payments this month, that will still barely cover the current estimated shipping date, if you don't have an order in the first 500, then it won't cover it entirely. That's assuming they won't be late, which is just unrealistic, no matter how often they claim they won't be; it's just a matter of "how much".

Even if you could pay via credit card, I don't think everyone has a 7-9K limit, the payment listed is still Paypal - that's only 45 days protection.

You could do a wire transfer (one way payment, no reversal, no protection) or Bitpay (also one way, no protection and even more expensive unless KNC swallows the 5% or so conversion fee).

[Twh]

Even if you could pay via credit card, I don't think everyone has a 7-9K limit, the payment listed is still Paypal - that's only 45 days protection.

You could do a wire transfer (one way payment, no reversal, no protection) or Bitpay (also one way, no protection and even more expensive unless KNC swallows the 5% or so conversion fee).

If they don't accept credit cards directly, which as it looks like they don't and won't, I'm not giving them a penny. Or more exactly, I would give them a reasonable amount to reserve my order and pay the rest once they actually show that they are trustworthy and have an ASIC; but they're not doing that either. Paypal is an all around horrible payment method.

They seem like they don't have a single spare moment to plan their next one or two steps, and most decisions are made and implemented in a big hurry, but then they go ahead and say that they actually do have the time to offer extra customer care to those who wish to transfer their pre-order queue positions and manually verify it, even though not only are they not forced to do this, not only do people not expect this from them, many are actually against it. I see their point, but it's not a good one, and they really should be rather dealing with one of the dozens of issues they have on their hands instead of dicking around with this sort of petty shit.
I'm not shouting scam here, to me they just seem.. well, lacking a better word, dense. That, or once again, really bad at PR, saying one thing and doing another, I actually hope this is the case.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Thank god I hit the preorder button about 50 times. So who wants positions < #300? 3BTC each.

On the fence with this guy:

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   plasmoske
Posts:   61
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   February 22, 2013, 06:19:24 AM
Last Active:   Today at 08:07:21 AM

LMAO. My statement was just a joke. I was just simply mocking the system approved by KNC. Anyone could just fill out the pre-order
form multiple times and just make easy cash without laying down any cash. Maybe I was too subtle

I concur. Apologies for leaning too far on the wrong side of the fence on this one, bud.

Meanwhile, KNC starts selling only chips in 5...4...3...

[stripykitteh]

They seem like they don't have a single spare moment to plan their next one or two steps, and most decisions are made and implemented in a big hurry, but then they go ahead and say that they actually do have the time to offer extra customer care to those who wish to transfer their pre-order queue positions and manually verify it, even though not only are they not forced to do this, not only do people not expect this from them, many are actually against it. I see their point, but it's not a good one, and they really should be rather dealing with one of the dozens of issues they have on their hands instead of dicking around with this sort of petty shit.
I'm not shouting scam here, to me they just seem.. well, lacking a better word, dense. That, or once again, really bad at PR, saying one thing and doing another, I actually hope this is the case.

How many of the first few hundred orders are employees, friends or family of KnC? My guess is most of them. Are any of them prevented from selling their spot in the queue? Doesn't sound like it. Where will those funds raised end up?

If I had to make a guess at the substance of KnC based on their recent behaviour, I'd say it appears they don't have the funds to carry out what they are proposing, even with the income they expect to raise from Mars sales. This looks like a clumsy (and deceitful) attempt to raise some extra cash before some large NRE costs become due.

I can't prove it of course, but having to choose whether to invest in this lot on the basis of incomplete but worrying information I'm voting with my chequebook and staying out.

[dwdoc]

Bait and switch vs bait and delay (e.g. BFL)?

[dan99]

The price of the Kncminer will easily triple in price very soon, because those purchase the avalon and DIY are already selling those 72gh/s complete unit at 75btc or more, for 350gh/s it should easily costs 350btc if using the price those DIY Avalon guys are selling for complete set. is like 1btc per gh/s..

[KS]

The price of the Kncminer will easily triple in price very soon, because those purchase the avalon and DIY are already selling those 72gh/s complete unit at 75btc or more, for 350gh/s it should easily costs 350btc if using the price those DIY Avalon guys are selling for complete set. is like 1btc per gh/s..

A klondike16 running at 4.5GH/s will cost you about 2.2BTC w/o PSU (≃30W). That's about 0.5BTC per GH/s. So yes, they might raise the price 3x to 175BTC (≃22K USD w/o VAT) for a 350GH/s machine and still be competitive (unless Avalon lowers the price of their chips).

With high prices like that, ppl will turn to smaller units. This is not especially a bad thing, as it will mean a much lower difficulty increase and will allow for a lot of small configurations to stay profitable longer (bar a crash in BTC value).

[Phinnaeus Gage]

There's enough proof showing that Sam exist. I firmly believe that Andreas Kennemar exist. But, these guys are not all cut out as they want you to believe. They may have tinkered in Bitcoin a tad, but that's it. What they see is an opportunity for THEMSELVES.

Let me ask you this: If you would have met Tom Van Riper in person, would you have done business with him, all things considered? I'm afraid you're going to be just as disappointed if you get the opportunity to shake hands with Sam.

Bottom line, they're just a couple middle-class folks who've dabbled in the computer trade.

[Gabit]

There's enough proof showing that Sam exist. I firmly believe that Andreas Kennemar exist. But, these guys are not all cut out as they want you to believe. They may have tinkered in Bitcoin a tad, but that's it. What they see is an opportunity for THEMSELVES.

Noooo. Like me, I thought everyone was on this because sake of the humanity. Shame on them, shaaaame.

Let me ask you this: If you would have met Tom Van Riper in person, would you have done business with him, all things considered? I'm afraid you're going to be just as disappointed if you get the opportunity to shake hands with Sam.

Wtf? Now we are judging people on how they look or feel?

Bottom line, they're just a couple middle-class folks who've dabbled in the computer trade.

What their social status have to do with anything? "dabbed" How the hell you know about what they are capable off?

Just stop. Please. We all like that we have our own scam-o-matic on this forum, but please, you're acting ridiculously. This is starting to look more that you need them to be scam, because you have invested so much of your reputation to claim that they are. Those last three reasons are pure BS (actually you have been making ass of your self, quite a time now). If I would judge anyone according to those rules, I wouldn't do business even with my left arm (And I tell you, its acting really funny some times). Just stop. If they are scam, you can celebrate and gloat all you want, but what you are now doing is giving a points to the not-scam-camp because you're acting like you have your head up in your ass. Go front of a mirror, and reevaluate the situation. Best course of action is just shut the fuck up, and wait them to scam, and if not, start making apology speech.

[a1phanumrc]

Sam was very helpful today transferring a pre-order.

They seem to be doing things right over there.

[KS]

Sam was very helpful today transferring a pre-order.

They seem to be doing things right over there.

What things, other than facilitating OTC pre-order queue placement resale? Could you back this up please?

[wo0x]

I have some very nice low order number ( below 100)  from 1st batch let me know if you are interested 

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   kevcoins
Posts:   65
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 10, 2013, 06:09:34 AM
Last Active:   Today at 11:31:54 AM

Thanks, I will know, how to become a hero member with > 13000 posts now 

But becoming serious: KnCminer is turning to crap now. When they start gathering interest, as they provided in the first some ppl  just waited for options to do actual pre-order, to become early investors. But sam and cole just kiss early birds on their interest list, not those that are willing to finance production of jupiters by buying mars products.

This looks like IT consultancy, making lots of money with bad hints for clients, that even have less ideas of how to get their problems sorted out, carrying other lobbies around. Anyone checked http://hitta.se right now?

----

Is there anyone, who is not interested in KnC-Miner seriously (i.e. just got his place on the interest-list for fun or curiousity) and will make it his/her interest-no., what became an actual ordernumber right now, a present to me?

[KS]

I have some very nice low order number ( below 100)  from 1st batch let me know if you are interested 

Please check the seller's SHILL date prior to following through with any purchase.

Name:   kevcoins
Posts:   65
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 10, 2013, 06:09:34 AM
Last Active:   Today at 11:31:54 AM

Thanks, I will know, how to become a hero member with > 13000 posts now 

But becoming serious: KnCminer is turning to crap now. When they start gathering interest, as they provided in the first some ppl  just waited for options to do actual pre-order, to become early investors. But sam and cole just kiss early birds on their interest list, not those that are willing to finance production of jupiters by buying mars products.

This looks like IT consultancy, making lots of money with bad hints for clients, that even have less ideas of how to get their problems sorted out, carrying other lobbies around. Anyone checked http://hitta.se right now?

----

Is there anyone, who is not interested in KnC-Miner seriously (i.e. just got his place on the interest-list for fun or curiousity) and will make it his/her interest-no., what became an actual ordernumber right now, a present to me?

Check this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.0

Pretty much all you want to know about KNC.

[TheSwede75]

Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

Lowered the starting bid to BTC4.  Anyone?

Dude you certainly shouldn't be partisan to any of this until we know exactly what is happening with respect to orders, payment and resale. KnC could just as well turn around and not honour your sale or your order position if you do this outside of whatever means they suggest is acceptable. You need them to verify changing the address details with a confirmation and they have yet to stipulate what the terms for resale actually are.

Don't get ahead of yourself, or cause anyone to loose their virtual monies.

Sincerely.

huh?  They said there is no problem transferring the pre-order to another person.  Look around.  Pre-orders are being sold left and right.
I just want to sell mine.  What is your problem?   I don't want for people to lose money.  What are you talking about?

This...

(I've underlined the bits you may not have paid attention to)

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.


Sam

Sure. I just found a buyer and I emailed Sam to ask for permission to transfer my pre-order.
So we'll see if the transfer can be done without the actual purchase.

I can confirm that KNC is transferring pre-orders without receiving payment or placing the actual orders.
I just sold my pre-order ID (<40) to myrond.

KNC has indeed stated that they will help pre-order customers transfer their order if they cannot/choose to not make payment.

Advice to possible pre-order purchasers though: Order number does not matter! From what I have been told they will produce the entire pre-order batch, test it and ship it at the same time. This means that order nr are of no consequence, the only thing that matters is that the order is valid and in their system.

I would suggest to any buyers that you either wait until the order shows up in the KNC miner system for logged in users (this week) or require the seller to provide order nr and a confirmation email from KNC miner that the order is indeed valid, and tied to an email address under the control of he seller.

[dan99]

Definitely a low order number is better than a higher ones, otherwise why would someone book early, what is the point. Remember if you choose to buy pre order always look for those within the 500 batch. After the demo and open day the Price of the Pre-order will shoot Up if confirm to our satisfaction.

[suryc]

At the risk of being attacked for encouraging this behavior, I would like to buy a low Pre-Order spot (less than 500). If you have one you are willing to sell, please PM me your offers. Serious sellers only. Thanks.

I suggest this method for finalizing the transaction, but we can do it another way if you like:
After we agree on a price, you send an e-mail to kncminer with your order number and CC me. In that email state that you are interested in transferring your order number to me when a BTC address of your choice is filled to the amount of BTC we agree upon.  When kncminer confirms that the order number exists and is owned by you and that they will transfer it when the funds are shown at your BTC address,  I will send the agreed amount to that BTC address and reply to you and kncminer with a link to the transaction/account on blockchain.info of the amount asked for by you, so they can go ahead and complete the transfer of the order number.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Full Disclose: I concur that I, too, received an email pertaining to a pre-order I GAVE AWAY.

[Kapz786]

I have 2 emails from KNC - the first one when they literally just started up I got signed up and got this:

"Order ID: 35"

"The desired goods: KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500"

on 8 April

and then May 23rd when you could actually order the Mars units I got this email

"Order ID: 3995"

"The desired goods: Mars"

so which one do you go off?

[Bitcoinorama]

I have 2 emails from KNC - the first one when they literally just started up I got signed up and got this:

"Order ID: 35"

"The desired goods: KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500"

on 8 April

and then May 23rd when you could actually order the Mars units I got this email

"Order ID: 3995"

"The desired goods: Mars"

so which one do you go off?

I'd go with the earlier, smaller number personally...

[LiteBit]

Ordering has opened on the site and the numbering has restarted. We just placed a Jupiter batch order and we're #129. Still have 7 days to pay.  BitPay, Paypal and Wire Transfer are the options in the checkout screen.

[Zubilica]

Ordering has opened on the site and the numbering has restarted. We just placed a Jupiter batch order and we're #129. Still have 7 days to pay.  BitPay, Paypal and Wire Transfer are the options in the checkout screen.

Good decision.

[Bowjob]

Ordering has opened on the site and the numbering has restarted. We just placed a Jupiter batch order and we're #129. Still have 7 days to pay.  BitPay, Paypal and Wire Transfer are the options in the checkout screen.

Where does it say 7 days? I did not get anything. Order number 18x here.

[LiteBit]

Ordering has opened on the site and the numbering has restarted. We just placed a Jupiter batch order and we're #129. Still have 7 days to pay.  BitPay, Paypal and Wire Transfer are the options in the checkout screen.

Where does it say 7 days? I did not get anything. Order number 18x here.

I emailed them and got a return email from Andreas confirming that it's 7 days.

[markj113]

My partner in crime has just backed out last minute so my order position is up for grabs   if the Mars was still available I would have gone solo but its was the daughters birthday on the 31/5/13 and the mrs birthday on 6/6/13 so I am pretty skint at the moment.

order placed on the 14/4/13 so in the first batch of 500.

my order number is 480.

Can forward on the original email to the winner and arrange the transfer with KNCminer.

Anyone interested be quick and get in for 48 hr prize draw kncminer are currently offering.

Payment accepted in Bitcoin, can offer those interested my ebay id with 480 100% positive feedback. (ironically the same number as my order id!)

gutted, but any funds generated will go back in to a DIY miner option when available..

[Mats8500]

If any interested, I got a few offers but still haven't had time to discuss with them.

I have number 22X and I am willing to either sell or partner. It is for 1 unit.

PM me.

[dropt]

WTF is up with all these random low post count new users slinging the supposed KNC pre-orders around like they're bigshots.  Who's actually dumb enough to get involved with this?

[suryc]

I would by an early pre-order spot if there is anyone selling. PM me your offer please. Thanks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223744.0

[markj113]

WTF is up with all these random low post count new users slinging the supposed KNC pre-orders around like they're bigshots.  Who's actually dumb enough to get involved with this?

It would seem you think your a big shot as you registered on the forum before some newer members.

Being newer on here doesn't automatically make you a scammer

[phr33]

I'm also interested in low number queue spots for 2 x Jupiter.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224594.0

Thanks

[nosurrender]

WTF is up with all these random low post count new users slinging the supposed KNC pre-orders around like they're bigshots.  Who's actually dumb enough to get involved with this?

What ist your concern regarding KNC? For sure you can provide reasonable suspicion or evidence when calling people dumb.

Btw: I do not have anything to do with KNC nor have I placed a pre-order. I´m just interested in new developments.

[ryanb]

if i order a new unit today when should i expect to have it in hand?

[TheSwede75]

Definitely a low order number is better than a higher ones, otherwise why would someone book early, what is the point. Remember if you choose to buy pre order always look for those within the 500 batch. After the demo and open day the Price of the Pre-order will shoot Up if confirm to our satisfaction.

No. Since they will be fulfilling ALL pre-orders and the closed pre-ordering when they reached their 'first batch' the order number is NOT a correlation to receiving anything early. They will produce and ship the first batch (like Avalon), test it and send it out as one block as far as I understand. The only thing that matters is that the order number is verified as a pre-order for their first production batch.

If anything, the PAYMENT time is what they are going to go by if they send out orders early, as evident by their news release.

[TLS freedom]

Can't believe this KNC preorder system this is just nuts, should have been a simple pay and get in line system.

[KS]

if i order a new unit today when should i expect to have it in hand?

That's anyone's guess but if you're not in the first 500 that'll be October and after.

[ryanb]

so right now just visit their site and place and order and pay when it is ready?

[mat542]

so right now just visit their site and place and order and pay when it is ready?

No. You have 7 days to pay, or your order is canceled.

[FeedbackLoop]

This sanctioned pre-order exchange is rotten to the core!

At least give a penalty in the queue for those buying in their place in line ahead of genuinely interested buyers by throwing them some 500 spots back. sheesh!

[ryanb]

when do they plan on shipping? anytime before BFL?

[TLS freedom]

Ok 4btc is way to much for a preorder but I can do $50, let me know.

[canth]

Ok 4btc is way to much for a preorder but I can do $50, let me know.

I hate myself for going along with this, but yeah, I've got my order placed. I'll give someone $50 for an early spot they don't want. Agreed - 4BTC is way too much.

[johnyj]

Value is created by scarcity, once again it is proven

[dan99]

if i order a new unit today when should i expect to have it in hand?

That's anyone's guess but if you're not in the first 500 that'll be October and after.

Anyway above 500 will get you December 2013 or next year 2014.. better if below 500 number and if anyone
interested just PM me. Have some nice pre order numbers.

[kevcoins]

some pre order are already going at 10 btc, after the demo and open day the value will shoot up probably double.

[megvon]

some pre order are already going at 10 btc, after the demo and open day the value will shoot up probably double.

Wow didn't know that was the going rate

[Stevenrm87]

I have 3 Pre order # All 3 are in the 4,400 range lol

I ended up going with a different venture. I dont know the value of these and I dont really care. Ill take offers or let em expire dont matter.

Anyway PM me if interested.

Steven

[tinoki]

I have 3 Pre order # All 3 are in the 4,400 range lol

I ended up going with a different venture. I dont know the value of these and I dont really care. Ill take offers or let em expire dont matter.

Anyway PM me if interested.

Steven

Yep mine was somewhere around there got to wait for sometime to get the Asic with that pre order number, more like next year don't know what difficulty will be

[darkfriend77]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

[idee2013]

my sell thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228174

[johnyj]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

Is this possible? When you pre ordered at such low number, there were no jupiter or saturn on their website, it was something else

[qiuness]

i`ll take the jupiter for 1 LTC

[darkfriend77]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

Is this possible? When you pre ordered at such low number, there were no jupiter or saturn on their website, it was something else

i ordred them yesterday ... when i got there news pushed to my mail ...

[idee2013]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

Is this possible? When you pre ordered at such low number, there were no jupiter or saturn on their website, it was something else

i ordred them yesterday ... when i got there news pushed to my mail ...

sorry, but you are not one of the first 500 customers/miners...see at my sell thread

[maxmint]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

Is this possible? When you pre ordered at such low number, there were no jupiter or saturn on their website, it was something else

i ordred them yesterday ... when i got there news pushed to my mail ...

Actually, this is an order – not a pre-order. KNCminer is making this stupidly complicated. Your line in queue is determined by your pre-order number, which you received when pre-ordering a couple of weeks ago. Your actual order number has nothing to do with that.

Here's a quote from KNCMiner Sam:

The pre order number is the queue placement
After the 7 days are up we will match all the paid orders with the original preorders.
So yes the queue is already sorted.
The order numbers people have now are nothing to do with shipping queue placement
Sam

[darkfriend77]

thx to make this clear ... ^^

:-)

[johnyj]

Exactly, I just discovered that order do not need to be paid immediately and can be removed later on

I did some test on their website, ordered both Saturn 1-500 and Saturn, get order number like #68x something, that order number has nothing to do with what kind of product you order, be it Jupiter or Saturn (1-500), all sequential

I guess that if you can order xxxxx (1-500), you might get some early delivery based on your position in that 1-500 queue

[Phinnaeus Gage]

i have 3 pre orders

•a jupiter #260
•a saturn #255
•and one for 1 of each #2xx

so if some one is interested ....

Is this possible? When you pre ordered at such low number, there were no jupiter or saturn on their website, it was something else

i ordred them yesterday ... when i got there news pushed to my mail ...

Actually, this is an order – not a pre-order. KNCminer is making this stupidly complicated. Your line in queue is determined by your pre-order number, which you received when pre-ordering a couple of weeks ago. Your actual order number has nothing to do with that.

Here's a quote from KNCMiner Sam:

The pre order number is the queue placement
After the 7 days are up we will match all the paid orders with the original preorders.
So yes the queue is already sorted.
The order numbers people have now are nothing to do with shipping queue placement
Sam

Welcome to the Rube Goldberg Pre-Order Disorder or Trade your Pre-Order Order/Discorder Queue Placement Booking. For more info, visit KnC's TandS page. If you can make heads and tales outta it, then you're using a rigged coined.

[markj113]

My order still available for a first 500 batch.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224518.0

[FeedbackLoop]

I hope that if KNCminer is really going for this rotten thing that at least they stick with their words of not allowing people to split sell their multiple orders.

[FeedbackLoop]

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

There are a lot of people trying to sell their multiple pre-orders (all their random clicking for the heck of it a few months back...). If the idea of KNCminer was indeed to prevent scamming by jumping in with this pre-order selling "service"  then please make an effort in terms of ID verification to make sure that everyone who has pre-orders only gets to either sell all of them to one single individual or keep them all. Better yet, make sure that only one order per person gets sold, otherwise you will have auctions outside of the system and people getting scammed anyway.

[TLS freedom]

I'll take an order 500-1500 for some $$ PM me.

Seems people are desperate for the 1-500 #'s little to costly right now.

Come on guys someone has to want to part with a #500-1500 order?! Will take Saturn or Jupiter

[TheSwede75]

I have Pre-order nr #6xx verified to have access to the 1-500 of both Jupiter and Saturn (seems I can order both, in any quantity) by KNCminer themselves through email and via login to account. Entertaining bids. See image for verified photo of my account product page with 1-500 order access to both machines.

PM me your offer, if I get a good enough one I may sell it otherwise I intend to order machines.

[Bitbird]

Hello there! If you have Jupiter orders which belong to first 500 customers/miners please PM me. Thanks for reading!

[Edited]

[FeedbackLoop]

You can order both in any quantity for the same place in line? You must have misheard something.

Anyway joining the muddy affair of KNCminer trading and PM me with how much you want for 500-1500 orders (pre-order number) of any of the products.

[Bitbird]

Indeed quite confused. I even didn't get any info about when the pre-order begin. I have Order ID: 2XXX by May 13, but seems they're useless?

[Bitcoinorama]

You can order both in any quantity for the same place in line? You must have misheard something.

Anyway joining the muddy affair of KNCminer trading and PM me with how much you want for 500-1500 orders (pre-order number) of any of the products.

AFAIK you can order less or equal to your original stated interest, not more...

[TheSwede75]

Indeed quite confused. I even didn't get any info about when the pre-order begin. I have Order ID: 2XXX by May 13, but seems they're useless?

I think the only orders that have any 'value' are pre orders that's give access to the sub-500 order form as seen in the screenshot I posted. Anyone can order a machine from the 500+ batches.

[innovation]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

It is unfair. shipping order should base for the time of payment.

[veryveryinteresting]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

It is unfair. shipping order should base for the time of payment.

Actually it is quite fair. We told them we were interested in buying KnC's miners in order for them to help secure the contract with ORSoC. You weren't around? Too bad, we were and we pre-ordered.

Lastly, I am selling my pre-order for 1BTC at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225372.msg2370435.

I wanted a Mars device and a Jupiter and now they aren't selling a Mars, so I want to put my money elsewhere.

[dacman61]

I'm interested in picking up a pre-order of anyone in the first 500 batch. PM me if you want to deal.

Thanks!


Edit: Already made a deal. No need to PM me now. Thanks!

[af_newbie]

It is unfair. shipping order should base for the time of payment.

Nobody said anything about being fair.  It is what it is.

You can buy "fairness" so it seems.

[dacman61]

I'm interested in picking up a pre-order of anyone in the first 500 batch. PM me if you want to deal.

Thanks!

Made a deal! Thanks Ridgeback!
+1 Trust

[samurai1200]

Is that how trust is supposed to work? There hasn't been any delivery of goods!

For the posterity, i've got a preorder in the low 100's, and will only sell off the rights to it for a ridiculous amount of coinage. Planning on buying a Saturn.

[Bitcoinorama]

Ok Daggeteo, just emailed me this. So anyone with any questions and concerns that want them asked tomorrow;

PM him before 11am GMT+1!!!

Make these Q's that concern everyone, or groups of people from particular countries, etc., not personal beef about every individual order...

It's the best chance of clearing up whatever you're not happy about, confused or concerned about with them in person.

i.e. Why can't we purchase as consumers? Why do we have to confirm we are a business?

Enjoy...!


Re: Open Day Group PM
« Sent to: Bitcoinorama on: Today at 08:28:29 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
Quote  Reply  Delete  
Received  I'll add these to the list and ask them if there is enough time.

Many thanks for compiling these last ones. I haven't had the time to go through the thread these past two days in search of new Qs so I appreciate that you did! I'll be leaving prior to noonish so if there are any other Qs you wish to add please PM 11 am the latest.

Again, thanks!






AND DON'T FORGET TO THANK HIM!!!

[wildbud]

Well I just paid for a Saturn

[t13hydra]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid. 
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value. 

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

So if somebody that preordered a few units but never intends to buy your merchandise will be able to sell his preorders. And a actual customer who who is willing to pay and has the money will have to wait in line. Great way to do business , even better than BFL.

I was enthusiastic about KnCminer products, but you are doing your best to piss us off.

First VAT not this , whats next ? We will be able to pickup orders only from the Moon ?

Lol )) bine zis, Zubilica ) i like the Moon idea here..
First, i Do Not defend KnC in any way! BUT: i know for sure, that you need preorder money to make things happen. Of course, you should see progress, real transparency and results within 2 months after paying (unlike with these BFL guys). I will be making the Klondike16 boards and the Avalon 80 chip boards (clones) here in romania and i Know For Sure that nobody is going to do jack for you without at least half of the costs paid upfront. In my case, this will easily turn into quite a few thousand euros, just to start moving things around the factory.. So i think preorder is good for business, but you don't ever play with people's money!

[67152398]

I'm interested in picking up a pre-order of anyone in the first 500 batch. PM me if you want to deal.

Thanks!


+1

[Charles999]

I'm interested in a pre #200 unit.  PM me with your info.

Thanks

[1krona]

Hi,

I have the preorders of

#524 for up to 3 units
#525 for up to 6 units
#526 for 1 unit

And #527 for 1 unit

If you are interested in buying any of these orders PM me.

[Vilepickle]

EDIT: found buyer for my slot...

[wowc8]

I'm interested in a pre #200 unit.  PM me with your info.

Thanks

I heard they will not be shipping until all units are made, but that might not be true.  When I sent an email to Sam asking that question he said that they'll be shipping as many as they can fit into a UPS truck, so i don't think it'll be a big deal which order number you are as long as you are in the first 500.

[r3animation]

I have #166 for sale of anyone is interested....

[bit_wizard]

I have numbers 65 and 67 for sale if anyone is interested.
Both order numbers are from one account.

[pizza]

Selling order #292 batch 1-500

[dan99]

Anyone interested in my pre - order please let me know, Nice Low Numbers. Thanks

[kevcoins]

Selling my pre order please PM me

[pizza]

1 Saturn left, PM me. 3 Jupiters still available to reserve pre order slot.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

1 Saturn left, PM me. 3 Jupiters still available to reserve pre order slot.

Since Sam said that he's not splitting up pre-orders, is it safe to assume that all these are linked to separate email accounts?

[webjoe]

I just realized I must have submitted the order twice and now have an extra Batch 1-500 Pre Order #1732 with a QTY of 5.

Order ID: 1732
The desired goods: KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500
Quantity: 5

Here a screenshot. You can see I added a 1-500 Batch vs. a non 1-500 Batch (they have different Item #s):





PM if interested.

[Vega]

I have an extra slot for sale, really low number:

Order ID: 61
KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500
Quantity: 1

Details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226069.0

[rustyh17]

I purchased and fully paid yesterday for:

Qty:  4
Type:  Jupiters

Unfortunately, my pre-order did not occur until around 13/MAY, so even
though my fully paid order is #40X, apparently that doesn't matter. I am
in need of <500 preorder for 4. Please PM me with availability. I am also
open to possible partnership with pre-order holders. Any and all ideas will
be entertained.

[rustyh17]

I'm interested in picking up a pre-order of anyone in the first 500 batch. PM me if you want to deal.

Thanks!

Made a deal! Thanks Ridgeback!
+1 Trust

dacman61, this is rustyh17  (I sold you your first 16x riser cables). I have 4 paid Jupiters on
order from yesterday, but a pre-order >500. Do you have any <500 pre-orders on the table
for consideration?

[koopa]

Hello,

I have 3 pre-orders for sale (1st batch "golden ticket" <500). All three are numbered in the bottom two-hundreds (20X).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226031.0

 

[pizza]

I'm interested in picking up a pre-order of anyone in the first 500 batch. PM me if you want to deal.

Thanks!

Made a deal! Thanks Ridgeback!
+1 Trust

dacman61, this is rustyh17  (I sold you your first 16x riser cables). I have 4 paid Jupiters on
order from yesterday, but a pre-order >500. Do you have any <500 pre-orders on the table
for consideration?

Pm sent

[vsb]

Hi! I want to sell my preorder.
My order id is 279.
http://vsb.name/img/preorder.PNG

It is possible to buy one jupiter or one saturn device.

PM me with your offers.

[notung]

Hi!

I am interested in buying a KNC preorder (1-500). I am willing to pay 6 or 7BTC depending on the number. If someone is interested, please PM.

Cheers!

[jcoin]

I have a 18xx Order ID if anyone is interested. PM me.

[bitrocket]

Looking for a KNC <1-500 preorder for a Jupiter, can make payment today.

Please PM me with your order number and proof of confirmation

[idee2013]

Hi, here is my 1-500 sell thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228174

[kevcoins]

I still have pre -order available very low numbers please PM me if you are interested. Thanks

[koopa]

I still have 3 pre-order slots from the 1st batch, all numbered 20X.

Please PM me for more info & proof. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226031.0

Cheers,

koopa

[KS]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid.  
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value.  

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

You tell me how the FUCK you are going to have any fucking time to handle this selling pre-order shit?

Out of all the motherfuckin' questions that you've been asked on this forum and have ignored, or claimed to be too busy, you take the time to post this with a promise that you'll handle it on your end via mega emails, all of which will take tremendous time.

Well, here's what I think. I fuckin' think that some of the people that will  be selling their pre-orders will be you, for there's no fuckin' way we would know differently.

A couple hundred pre-orders that you control racks up to be a pretty big chunk of change.

Let's just see how many NEWBIES start posting their pre-orders for sale, all of which Sam, et al., will make time to make sure that the transaction goes smoothly.

This is fucked up on so many levels.

You guys don't really want to know what I really believe.

What a motherfuckin' scam this all has turned out to be.

+1

This forum is filled with army of scammers and army of retards falling on all sort of scams, it is hillarious!

Sure beats TV!

[innovation]

Your place is only worth something if you have already paid.  
The order you'll get your unit is determined by when you send them money - so... if you have not paid, then a number from a contact form doesn't have much value.  

Hi, Actually this is NOT true

We will open up the order books soon and give everyone a chance to pay for their preorder (7 days), We will then ship them based on the preorder registration number, not when the order was paid for

as long as the order is paid for within the 7 days we will honor the queue placement. if you pay on day 8 you will simply enter the queue from the back

I hope this helps

if you do sell your order number all I will need is an email from both parties and I will do the rest, they will get your queue placement. it can’t however be for more than your registered amount of boxes and we will not split preorders into multiplies

Sam@kncminer.com

how much do u want to charge your order?

Thanks Sam,

My pre-order number is less than 40.  Anyone wants to buy my order, please send me or post your offer.  

Thank you,
Peter

[pizza]

have 2 jupiters left 1 saturn

[Bitcoinorama]

I actually have a potential Jupiter (#250) and a definite Saturn pre-order placement (#33)  that I can part with.

Guaranteed 1-500 spot.

Any one interested PM, it can go towards travel costs as I attend the open day. It may even mean I get a hotel and spend a night in Stockholm! (Haven't booked one, or the return flight yet)

In any case if anyone does want one, or the other, or both, let me know and for sure I'll make sure Sam transfers the details on Monday, in person.

If I don't here anything by tomorrow (Sunday evening), then it will go back into the pool of peeps that have currently bought and let them move up a place in each product line.

There is only one item of each available.

Again interested parties, or any further questions you want asked on Monday, PM me, I won't have time to read through old posts tomo...

[mrSprinkles]

I have order #24x for <500 and will sell it for BTC. PM with offers. I have confirmation from KNCMiner that I can purchase as many units as I want in this queue place.

[canth]

I have order #24x for <500 and will sell it for BTC. PM with offers. I have confirmation from KNCMiner that I can purchase as many units as I want in this queue place.

Better sell it before Tuesday when it turns worthless.

[idee2013]

have to sell spots 3x 1-500 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228174. each spot for jupiter or saturn

[Xialla]

looking forward for Monday to close this fucking group and lock thread.

[suryc]

looking forward for Monday to close this fucking group and lock thread.

+1
Can't believe this thread is still alive.

[KS]

I have order #24x for <500 and will sell it for BTC. PM with offers. I have confirmation from KNCMiner that I can purchase as many units as I want in this queue place.

Which means your pre-order queue place is worth jack shit if #1 buys 500 units... or #1 to #100 buy 5 units each.

You risk being fucked like everyone else by their continued change of the rules.... They don't seem to possess any kind of ethic when it comes to getting the $$$$$ from the pre-order suckers customers.

BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

[mat542]

I'm sick of seeing people selling/buying pre-orders under 500 and others discussing about these "golden tickets".
Here is a question that was asked Wednesday to KNC's openday :

How big of a batch are you planning on the first batch?
Sam: We are not shipping in batches, this is a complete myth. We have never stated there's going to be a batch process like our competitors in china. We are simply going to manufacture and ship.

Source : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214285.msg2391522#msg2391522
Confirmed by an other member that was there : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214285.msg2393046#msg2393046


Your "golden tickets" are worth shit !
There are no batches !

[idee2013]

I'm sick of seeing people selling/buying pre-orders under 500 and others discussing about these "golden tickets".
Here is a question that was asked Wednesday to KNC's openday :

How big of a batch are you planning on the first batch?
Sam: We are not shipping in batches, this is a complete myth. We have never stated there's going to be a batch process like our competitors in china. We are simply going to manufacture and ship.

Source : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214285.msg2391522#msg2391522
Confirmed by an other member that was there : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214285.msg2393046#msg2393046


Your "golden tickets" are worth shit !
There are no batches !

sorry but you do not understand the difference!!!

if you have an early position in queue (for example 500), and an other has an order position of 4000 there is a difference of 3500 positions with some miners each position. ....these 3500  costs you now some time of mining......days/weeks?...we do not know how much devices knc can produce in a week or day...

[canth]

...
BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

Damn. Go big or go home, eh? Can't imagine he paid with PayPal.

[idee2013]

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BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

Damn. Go big or go home, eh? Can't imagine he paid with PayPal.

but i do not unterstand how this could be, i think that i have read  some days ago, that only 3 miners are possible each customer?
i am really not sure...

[KS]

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BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

Damn. Go big or go home, eh? Can't imagine he paid with PayPal.

but i do not unterstand how this could be, i think that i have read  some days ago, that only 3 miners are possible each customer?
i am really not sure...

Like I said, they keep changing the rules...no business ethics whatsoever.

[ninjaboon]

I sold them 2x preorders last week. nice

[Cryptocables]

[Filled. Thank you]

[qiuness]

any 1-500 orders left? please PM with screenshot of the order.
Thanks

[idee2013]

only 1 spot left... no jokeoffers..

[mat542]

sorry but you do not understand the difference!!!

if you have an early position in queue (for example 500), and an other has an order position of 4000 there is a difference of 3500 positions with some miners each position. ....these 3500  costs you now some time of mining......days/weeks?...we do not know how much devices knc can produce in a week or day...

This is from an email from KNC that they sent today:

As far as we can see everyone who has paid within the first 7 days will be shipped in September/October.

Also, pre-orders will really be worth shit at 18h00 CET.
Less then 1h and 30 minutes left.

[seleme]

how do I know what my order number is? Is it that small gray number below product name? I guess I haven't saved my email from pre-order registration

I have both Jupiter and Saturn 1-500 on product page. Jupiter has 249, Saturn 33 small number below. Is that it?

If it is, I might sell this pre-order as I don't intend to buy

[HeRetiK]

I have both Jupiter and Saturn 1-500 on product page. Jupiter has 249, Saturn 33 small number below. Is that it?

Nope, that seems to be the product ID or something like that.

[idee2013]

I have order #24x for <500 and will sell it for BTC. PM with offers. I have confirmation from KNCMiner that I can purchase as many units as I want in this queue place.

Which means your pre-order queue place is worth jack shit if #1 buys 500 units... or #1 to #100 buy 5 units each.

You risk being fucked like everyone else by their continued change of the rules.... They don't seem to possess any kind of ethic when it comes to getting the $$$$$ from the pre-order suckers customers.

BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

100 jupiter groupbuy failed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228525.0

[KS]

I have order #24x for <500 and will sell it for BTC. PM with offers. I have confirmation from KNCMiner that I can purchase as many units as I want in this queue place.

Which means your pre-order queue place is worth jack shit if #1 buys 500 units... or #1 to #100 buy 5 units each.

You risk being fucked like everyone else by their continued change of the rules.... They don't seem to possess any kind of ethic when it comes to getting the $$$$$ from the pre-order suckers customers.

BTW, Zephir has an order for 100 Jupiters. It's 50/50 he's before you. That would be only 400 left for 499 pre-orders. Less than 1 per...

100 jupiter groupbuy failed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228525.0

Yep, saw it too.

I wonder how many of the other 499 have multiple miners on order and how many out of 500 will actually receive the 500 first miners.

[Menig]

iam lookin for PreOrder-Sells for a better Queue-Place for some of my ordered and payed Saturns !

Just PM me with an offer if you have a good place to sell !!!

best regards
Menig

[a1phanumrc]

iam lookin for PreOrder-Sells for a better Queue-Place for some of my ordered and payed Saturns !

Just PM me with an offer if you have a good place to sell !!!

best regards
Menig

Isn't it too late to transfer pre-orders?

[idee2013]

iam lookin for PreOrder-Sells for a better Queue-Place for some of my ordered and payed Saturns !

Just PM me with an offer if you have a good place to sell !!!

best regards
Menig

Isn't it too late to transfer pre-orders?

no until midnight https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-17

[Xialla]

no until midnight https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-17

just 70 minutes and will be finally end of this shitty thread.)

[mat542]

just 70 minutes and will be finally end of this shitty thread.)

+1

[Kuma]

no until midnight https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-17

just 70 minutes and will be finally end of this shitty thread.)

Indeed. As I like KNC project, this prereservation selling is not pleasant for me.

[RoadStress]

If anyone still wants to buy a pre-order with number <200 PM me. Only available for paid orders since the payment windows has closed. I can transfer my order number to your paid order.

[markj113]

no until midnight https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-17

just 70 minutes and will be finally end of this shitty thread.)

for someone who hates pre orders you seem to spend a lot of time in the pre order thread moaning about pre orders lol 

[Xialla]

no until midnight https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-17

just 70 minutes and will be finally end of this shitty thread.)

for someone who hates pre orders you seem to spend a lot of time in the pre order thread moaning about pre orders lol 

I spend lot of time in all knc related threads, because I invest thousand of dollars for their devices.)

[pixl8tr]

Holy Necro Batman!