Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[switzer]

The broader Anoncoin community is 100+, and you can find us on Slack most of the time (look elsewhere in this thread for a join link).  

Sorry was a bit lazy before.  The Slack channel join link is here:

https://join.slack.com/t/anoncoin/shared_invite/enQtMjcxMzUxMjk5ODYwLTU0OTJhNmIxNzYyY2JiMzUxOGZhMjYzNmQ3YmViNWM1OWIxZGNlMGY0Zjg1NzdhMDAyZmRiYTFhNTM1OWZiYTU

[ttookk]

The broader Anoncoin community is 100+, and you can find us on Slack most of the time (look elsewhere in this thread for a join link).  

Sorry was a bit lazy before.  The Slack channel join link is here:

https://join.slack.com/t/anoncoin/shared_invite/enQtMjcxMzUxMjk5ODYwLTU0OTJhNmIxNzYyY2JiMzUxOGZhMjYzNmQ3YmViNWM1OWIxZGNlMGY0Zjg1NzdhMDAyZmRiYTFhNTM1OWZiYTU

Thanks a lot for the detailed answer.

The mechanisms described sound somewhat similar to Digicashs eCash system. Are there similarities, or is that by accident?

Regarding Slack, I won't find much time in the next few days to get involved, but I'll take a look as soon as possible. I can't really contribute much, apart from stupid questions and maybe a new logo or some graphics if needed. I'm not good with websites, though…

[switzer]

The mechanisms described sound somewhat similar to Digicashs eCash system. Are there similarities, or is that by accident?

[Meeh] has hundreds of white papers on his laptop, and he has read every word of most of them.  He shares the most relevant with me (e.g. ones that are so important that even a conceptual understanding is necessary).  Digicash white paper was one of the first he shared with me.  I went down the rabbit hole of reading David Chaum's groundbreaking inventions in the 1980's and why now is the time for these technologies to be used by the masses.

As we designed Anoncash, it became apparent that cash was not really being represented well using a ledger based cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, Monero, or 99.9% of the other cryptocurrencies.

We see Anoncash as a great way to keep cash in the economy as currency moves to the digital age.  There are so many use cases of introducing alternative currencies to help out local economies.  We are building Anoncash to be the perfect currency to support this.

[ttookk]

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As we designed Anoncash, it became apparent that cash was not really being represented well using a ledger based cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, Monero, or 99.9% of the other cryptocurrencies.

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Hm, this is an interesting observation. I kinda agree in the sense that blockchain itself is a very different beast than cash. I don't necessarily see, why it would be inferior, provided you manage to get a realistic transaction throughput. Do you have any estimations regarding scaling?

I've also been under the impression that eCash needed trusted intermediaries in the form of banks to verify the validity of a "note". As you stated already, Sybil attacks seem the biggest problem.

I assume "Anonbanks" need collateral to be eligible to participate?

I see some overlap in the approach Republic Protocol uses to manage a decentralized darkpool over a number of nodes; especially in regards to how they manage to keep an order hidden until it is met with a fitting buy/sell. I'm not sure whether that is anything of interest to you, but from a technical concept, it might be woth taking a look.

Is there a rough timeframe? Like, are we talking weeks, months, a year to "mainnet"?

[switzer]

Hm, this is an interesting observation. I kinda agree in the sense that blockchain itself is a very different beast than cash. I don't necessarily see, why it would be inferior, provided you manage to get a realistic transaction throughput. Do you have any estimations regarding scaling?

I don't think that blockchain vs. cash units are superior or inferior to one another.  They are different, with different use cases.  Maybe its just me, but there is something quite nice about having a cash unit embedded into an image.  Seems like the masses have conquered sending images between phones by now.

I've also been under the impression that eCash needed trusted intermediaries in the form of banks to verify the validity of a "note". As you stated already, Sybil attacks seem the biggest problem.

Yes decentralized nodes supply the proof of authenticity of a note by validating note signatures, cosigning notes, and destroying/creating cash units (when they are transferred).  Still lots of work to do even if they do not maintain a ledger!

I assume "Anonbanks" need collateral to be eligible to participate?

We are simulating different methods here, including staking.

I see some overlap in the approach Republic Protocol uses to manage a decentralized darkpool over a number of nodes; especially in regards to how they manage to keep an order hidden until it is met with a fitting buy/sell. I'm not sure whether that is anything of interest to you, but from a technical concept, it might be woth taking a look.

I'll check it out!

Is there a rough timeframe? Like, are we talking weeks, months, a year to "mainnet"?

I'll publish the roadmap shortly.  I'd say on the order of months.

[ttookk]

Hm, this is an interesting observation. I kinda agree in the sense that blockchain itself is a very different beast than cash. I don't necessarily see, why it would be inferior, provided you manage to get a realistic transaction throughput. Do you have any estimations regarding scaling?

I don't think that blockchain vs. cash units are superior or inferior to one another.  They are different, with different use cases.

This is a question I haven't really figured out for myself yet. In a lot of ways, I am a Bitcoin maximalist (or rather "mostimalist". Not my word, I stole it somewhere). I think ultimately, a few projects will come to dominate the others, which will wither and die away.

On the other side, I think having a diverse ecosystem with vastly different approaches is of great importance to keep resilience. So, having something like you describe is in any case a good thing.

Maybe its just me, but there is something quite nice about having a cash unit embedded into an image.  Seems like the masses have conquered sending images between phones by now.

Ooooh, I haven't even thought of that… You mean, there is a visual representation for the notes?

Dude, we are talking digital collectibles now. Or special edition notes. Or at the very least nicely designed bank notes. Awwwwwwww yaaaassssss… This gets me excited.

[switzer]

Dude, we are talking digital collectibles now. Or special edition notes. Or at the very least nicely designed bank notes. Awwwwwwww yaaaassssss… This gets me excited.

Me too.  The note images are outstanding, but not yet ready to be released to the wild.  Things like this seem to get copied quickly - we will wait for a bit on this

[ttookk]

Dude, we are talking digital collectibles now. Or special edition notes. Or at the very least nicely designed bank notes. Awwwwwwww yaaaassssss… This gets me excited.

Me too.  The note images are outstanding, but not yet ready to be released to the wild.  Things like this seem to get copied quickly - we will wait for a bit on this

So people are working on this, huh. I was just about to fire up my old design skills.

[switzer]

So people are working on this, huh. I was just about to fire up my old design skills.

We need lots of help!  If you have design skills, do you want to try updating our Twitter and Reddit profile?  We have done some work on a logo and color palette.  Can I encourage you to join our Slack?  I'll add you to the design channel where we could go into more detail.

Here is the slack invite link again:
https://join.slack.com/t/anoncoin/shared_invite/enQtMjcxMzUxMjk5ODYwLTU0OTJhNmIxNzYyY2JiMzUxOGZhMjYzNmQ3YmViNWM1OWIxZGNlMGY0Zjg1NzdhMDAyZmRiYTFhNTM1OWZiYTU

If anyone else would like to help out as we transition from Anoncoin to Anoncash, please step forward!  Here are some of the jobs we need to accomplish:

• White paper review
• Tokenomics review
• Mobile app engineering (wallets)
• Updating Anoncoin website for Anoncash
• Updating Reddit channel template
• Reddit channel moderation

Our team is is growing - please join!

[ttookk]

So people are working on this, huh. I was just about to fire up my old design skills.

We need lots of help!  If you have design skills, do you want to try updating our Twitter and Reddit profile?  We have done some work on a logo and color palette.  Can I encourage you to join our Slack?  I'll add you to the design channel where we could go into more detail.

Here is the slack invite link again:
https://join.slack.com/t/anoncoin/shared_invite/enQtMjcxMzUxMjk5ODYwLTU0OTJhNmIxNzYyY2JiMzUxOGZhMjYzNmQ3YmViNWM1OWIxZGNlMGY0Zjg1NzdhMDAyZmRiYTFhNTM1OWZiYTU

If anyone else would like to help out as we transition from Anoncoin to Anoncash, please step forward!  Here are some of the jobs we need to accomplish:

• White paper review
• Tokenomics review
• Mobile app engineering (wallets)
• Updating Anoncoin website for Anoncash
• Updating Reddit channel template
• Reddit channel moderation

Our team is is growing - please join!

So, I took a look at the slack, but there isn't much there, to be honest. The design channel seems empty and most talk seems to be about mining. Maybe I missed the good stuff, but that's what it looked to me.

By the way, the new logo is hideous. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but all this green stuff around the original logo is… bad. The old logo is brilliant.

[switzer]

So, I took a look at the slack, but there isn't much there, to be honest. The design channel seems empty and most talk seems to be about mining. Maybe I missed the good stuff, but that's what it looked to me.

Yes - these are the Anoncoin channels, and the most recent change was a change in PoW algorithm - so lots of people have mining questions.  The Anoncash channels are closed for the dev team, but we are using public Anoncoin channels until these get set up.

By the way, the new logo is hideous. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but all this green stuff around the original logo is… bad. The old logo is brilliant.

That is not our new logo - the green thing is the old one (which was not an improvement from the black logo).  I will share the new logo concept later this month.

[ttookk]

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By the way, the new logo is hideous. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but all this green stuff around the original logo is… bad. The old logo is brilliant.

That is not our new logo - the green thing is the old one (which was not an improvement from the black logo).  I will share the new logo concept later this month.

I can't wait to see it. As I said, I think the old logo is brilliant and one of the best logos in this space. I hope the new one doesn't diverge too much from it. I mean, I can see the need for more color, but the shape itself is as good as it gets.

I am also very anxious to see how the "sending pictures" thing will work out, and how it will look. I hope it's not yet another slew of Pepes

[switzer]

I can't wait to see it. As I said, I think the old logo is brilliant and one of the best logos in this space. I hope the new one doesn't diverge too much from it. I mean, I can see the need for more color, but the shape itself is as good as it gets.

We'll release it to the Slack community first, to get their thoughts, and then to other groups like BCT and Reddit.  It is different, simpler.  Keep an open mind

I am also very anxious to see how the "sending pictures" thing will work out, and how it will look. I hope it's not yet another slew of Pepes

We will also be releasing this on the design channel of Slack first.  No Pepe's.  They are beautiful.

[ttookk]

I can't wait to see it. As I said, I think the old logo is brilliant and one of the best logos in this space. I hope the new one doesn't diverge too much from it. I mean, I can see the need for more color, but the shape itself is as good as it gets.

We'll release it to the Slack community first, to get their thoughts, and then to other groups like BCT and Reddit.  It is different, simpler.  Keep an open mind

I am also very anxious to see how the "sending pictures" thing will work out, and how it will look. I hope it's not yet another slew of Pepes

We will also be releasing this on the design channel of Slack first.  No Pepe's.  They are beautiful.

Say, regarding Slack: is there anything to see in the design channel, or is it empty? Because for me, it looks empty and when I try to load more posts, Slacks asks me to move to a paid membership.

[switzer]

Say, regarding Slack: is there anything to see in the design channel, or is it empty? Because for me, it looks empty and when I try to load more posts, Slacks asks me to move to a paid membership.

Design channel is largely empty for now.  Once we start discussing logo, branding, currency notes, etc., we will use this channel.

[dono0034]

Hi @Switzer, I'm very interested in helping out the ANC team. I could help with the website, design, reddit, etc... Please send me a PM when you have a moment. Thanks!

If anyone else would like to help out as we transition from Anoncoin to Anoncash, please step forward!  Here are some of the jobs we need to accomplish:

White paper review
Tokenomics review
Mobile app engineering (wallets)
Updating Anoncoin website for Anoncash
Updating Reddit channel template
Reddit channel moderation

Our team is is growing - please join!

[Mihawk]

I am happy that this thread is still active.

I agree! Anoncoin is a nostalgic coin! Some merchants have traded ANC in recent months, I will wait for a lower price to buy some.

[switzer]

I am happy that this thread is still active.

I agree! Anoncoin is a nostalgic coin! Some merchants have traded ANC in recent months, I will wait for a lower price to buy some.

2013 is a rare vintage.  I'm excited to release our next version, complete with a pretty unique vision for Anoncoin.  The architecture is completely different than almost every other cryptocurrency, so the white paper takes time, and security and peer audit takes time.  Suffice it to say that we are working hard on this and will have news about our roadmap soon.

[Morbid]

can you please post information here regarding mining anoncoin on new algo. the information is a bit scarse as of now.

[switzer]

can you please post information here regarding mining anoncoin on new algo. the information is a bit scarse as of now.

Will do.  Here is some info:

• The algorithm changed to an ASIC resistant one in June 2018:  double GOST R 34.11-2012 hashing algorithm
• There is an anomaly with the mining difficulty number - it works (and mining is consistent), but the difficulty value is different than expected.  As a result, mining pools are not functional.  This is being addressed now, and I will post back here next week with progress.
• You can use GPU mining with ANC.  People have had success with ccminer and sgminer.  Grab the miners on Gostcoin (they set this up for the GOST R 34.11-2012 hashing algorithm)

Here are links to the miners:
https://github.com/GOSTSec/ccminer
https://github.com/GOSTSec/sgminer

If you have any specific questions, post here and I will try to answer.