[ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

[dayta]

Nice company! Great Team!

[Zer0Sum]

Interesting project, especially when you consider that many crypto-traders came into market from poker!

LOL, I got banned by 2+2 in early 2013...
And a few weeks later found BCT and the rest is history, baby
So poker to crypto is a really natural zero sum game crossover.

That said I'm extremely unimpressed by the level of crypto knowledge at 2+2 among poker regs. It's pathetic.

[SyGambler]

please add some sit n goes and PLO buyin tournaments
I see you only added holdem buying tourneys , I like the added prizes but would like some PLO too

[aa112112]

Well u may correct me if I am wrong, but why would the price of a token (the value of a company) be related to the ETH price. Why wouldn’t I get 3.5x times more tokens when Eth goes up 3.5 times, when in effect the value of the company hasn’t changed.

You seem to misunderstand how this works. The token in this case is currency that players use on the poker platform. It has nothing to do with the company or its profits like other ICOs.

I think you are right, I don’t see how the usecase of this token is different compared to the use case of vibe, where you pay content for vibe. In the end the marketcap of coinpoker is what most people will judge this company on?

Why else would you trade it? Either way, I still think that early investors being at stage 1 seem to get a really shitty deal. The whole idea of an ico is that you bear the risk for potential nice returns.... I am now feeling a lot of risk for potentially very little return. Luckily I am a reasonable poker player so if all fails I might play poker on the platform and hope to make some returns.

On the other hand maybe you are right maybe I am misunderstanding the concept here. On that note could someone clarify, explain to me why being at stage 1 (whihc should be an early stage in the ico)is over 3-4 times worse then being at pre-ico?? Am i seeing this wrong?

And explain to me, or anyone out there why this is still a good deal, because I can’t see it.

So the deal is that they just had a tournament where they gave a Tesla Model S to the winner, in addition to the normal CHP prizes. The tournament was super good value, unlike any other online poker tournament. The players are worse, and the prizes are amazing for the buyin.

They will have an opening tournament series with huge added prizes. On the scale of several million $$$. This is unheard of in the poker world, both online or offline.

Players need CHP to enter, and the supply is limited, so they will run to exchanges to buy some to be able to participate in these tournaments.

Additionally, it's much easier to deposit and withdraw money than it is with other poker sites. A lot of the poker players already have crypto, so it will be easy for them to shift some investments around, get CHP, play for a while, then withdraw it and move it back into some other crypto.

So the demand for CHP will be huge, bigger than other ICOs where the token is just a share of the company. Remember you need CHP to be able to win more CHP, and poker is a game of skill.

[aa112112]

Just found this, checked the whitepaper and can't believe what I just read. Even more confusing is the fact people have invested tens of millions dollars to this. Plus that there is pages of conversation about the subject on multiple sites and almost everybody ignores pretty important fact:

The fact is that Coinpoker chips (CHP) are actually nothing else than play money poker chips! Yes you read correctly. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why those chips should have any value. They just have made new pokersite based on blockchain, printed 500,000,000 poker chips to play with and claim that those chips should have some value based on demand or something like that. Why would anybody pay anything for tokens that can only be used to play poker in their platform, no-one quarantees any value for chips and those cannot be used for anything else. They are just like any other play money except they have limited supply, that of course shouldn't give them any value, anybody can print any tokens they like everyday. E.g. if pokerstars limited their play money chips to 500,000,000 and opened exchange to buy/sell those, does that give them value? Well it would be exactly like this. Of course it seems that people for some mysterious reason are giving them value buy partipating in their ICO:s and buying those. Sadly for those who have invested, the prize of CHP:s should be zero soon after those chips open to exchange.

And if for some reason those chips held value some time after exchange opened and playing had begun there would be some problematic possibilities. Few examples:

1. What happens when winner(s) of opening tournaments want to cash out.. There are pretty big added value put in those tournaments + normal buyins so winners would get at least millions of those chips. Those big winners/runner ups etc. would likely to want cash out after tournament.. Well what happens when all winners go to exchange at the same time to try to sell those piles of chips (= even multiple % of total supply of coins) to get real money.. There most likely isn't even close enough volume in market to make those sell orders happen at current prize if at all. So you buy CHP:s at 0.3$ or something per unit before tournament and if u happen to win u cant sell those tokens anywhere close that prize.. Only thing you can try is to sell small portions at a time and hope that value of chip doesn't go down. This applies to any other big cashout as well.

2. Since there is 4% rake that eats available tokens at fast rate, Coinpoker has to sell those coins back to circulation in exchange which itself lowers coin prize if inflow/outflow otherwise is balanced.

3. If overall interest for any reason to play at Coinpoker decreases, coin starts to lose value because more selling than buying happens, which even more accelerates people leaving from site ---> value decreases.. ultimately this leads to coins having zero value. Of course even earlier when there is not enough growth potential left there would be massive sell offs at some point by ICO/crypto investors who wasn't interested in poker anyway ---> prize crashes down, people starts to leave ---> and so on..

There are numerous other problematic instances I could mention but there shouldn't be any reason to consider anything like that at all. The coin should have zero value to start with, there are multiple sites and platforms to play with printed tokens, there is no difference in comparison to this.

1) You must be new to crypto. By your logic everything has 0 value because people will cash out as soon as they gain something. That's been proven to be false repeatedly over the years.

2) The 4% rake is similar to other sites, and they give back part of it to players - in a transparent, blockchain verifiable manner (or so they claim). Right now there is no rake, since the site is in beta.

3) If you read the whitepaper, you'll also see that they have a verifiable RNG, and are working on a 'mental-poker' RNG, which should launch in April. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_poker
Also, the site should work in the US - where otherwise online poker is banned right now. Also it should work in China - where gambling is a big part of culture.

Since crypto is a gray area in most juristictions and not "real money", it should work around most laws that regulate gambling there.

Stay ignorant though, it's better for the rest of us if the ico doesn't fully sell out. Less supply means more value later on.

[Justinlee]

I would hoping the rake to be very minimal or at least a decent reback equivalent, but 25% is kinda disappointing.
I'm having mix feeling about this company since it's not fully decentralise.

Got a feeling they'll have an issue getting more players.. You can get 40% rakeback on most site now anyway..

[hmmmmmm]

Just found this, checked the whitepaper and can't believe what I just read. Even more confusing is the fact people have invested tens of millions dollars to this. Plus that there is pages of conversation about the subject on multiple sites and almost everybody ignores pretty important fact:

The fact is that Coinpoker chips (CHP) are actually nothing else than play money poker chips! Yes you read correctly. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why those chips should have any value. They just have made new pokersite based on blockchain, printed 500,000,000 poker chips to play with and claim that those chips should have some value based on demand or something like that. Why would anybody pay anything for tokens that can only be used to play poker in their platform, no-one quarantees any value for chips and those cannot be used for anything else. They are just like any other play money except they have limited supply, that of course shouldn't give them any value, anybody can print any tokens they like everyday. E.g. if pokerstars limited their play money chips to 500,000,000 and opened exchange to buy/sell those, does that give them value? Well it would be exactly like this. Of course it seems that people for some mysterious reason are giving them value buy partipating in their ICO:s and buying those. Sadly for those who have invested, the prize of CHP:s should be zero soon after those chips open to exchange.

And if for some reason those chips held value some time after exchange opened and playing had begun there would be some problematic possibilities. Few examples:

1. What happens when winner(s) of opening tournaments want to cash out.. There are pretty big added value put in those tournaments + normal buyins so winners would get at least millions of those chips. Those big winners/runner ups etc. would likely to want cash out after tournament.. Well what happens when all winners go to exchange at the same time to try to sell those piles of chips (= even multiple % of total supply of coins) to get real money.. There most likely isn't even close enough volume in market to make those sell orders happen at current prize if at all. So you buy CHP:s at 0.3$ or something per unit before tournament and if u happen to win u cant sell those tokens anywhere close that prize.. Only thing you can try is to sell small portions at a time and hope that value of chip doesn't go down. This applies to any other big cashout as well.

2. Since there is 4% rake that eats available tokens at fast rate, Coinpoker has to sell those coins back to circulation in exchange which itself lowers coin prize if inflow/outflow otherwise is balanced.

3. If overall interest for any reason to play at Coinpoker decreases, coin starts to lose value because more selling than buying happens, which even more accelerates people leaving from site ---> value decreases.. ultimately this leads to coins having zero value. Of course even earlier when there is not enough growth potential left there would be massive sell offs at some point by ICO/crypto investors who wasn't interested in poker anyway ---> prize crashes down, people starts to leave ---> and so on..

There are numerous other problematic instances I could mention but there shouldn't be any reason to consider anything like that at all. The coin should have zero value to start with, there are multiple sites and platforms to play with printed tokens, there is no difference in comparison to this.

1) You must be new to crypto. By your logic everything has 0 value because people will cash out as soon as they gain something. That's been proven to be false repeatedly over the years.

2) The 4% rake is similar to other sites, and they give back part of it to players - in a transparent, blockchain verifiable manner (or so they claim). Right now there is no rake, since the site is in beta.

3) If you read the whitepaper, you'll also see that they have a verifiable RNG, and are working on a 'mental-poker' RNG, which should launch in April. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_poker
Also, the site should work in the US - where otherwise online poker is banned right now. Also it should work in China - where gambling is a big part of culture.

Since crypto is a gray area in most juristictions and not "real money", it should work around most laws that regulate gambling there.

Stay ignorant though, it's better for the rest of us if the ico doesn't fully sell out. Less supply means more value later on.

1. Well I assume that if some casual player wins supposedly +1,000,000$ in poker tournament many would like to cash out at least most of that winning but that is unfortunately very likely to be impossible to do.

2. 4% rake with 4$ dollar rake cap possibly even in small tables (very unclearly stated in whitepaper tho) = way worse than normal 5% rake with appropriate rake caps in small tables.

3. RNG and other technical solutions are also meaningless considering that we are playing with money that is equivalent to play money used in monopoly board game for example. That is the only meaningful point I am trying to make that essentially those tokens should be absolutely worthless. They are nothing more than tokens printed to specifically play poker in that platform. I can't understand why those would have any usd value outside of that platform since there is no other use whatsoever for those chips outside of that platform. Just like money used to play monopoly board game, I wouldn't pay usd for that money either.

I can't wait to see what happens when those chips open trading in exchange. I am expecting that even if for some reason people initially pay something for those and games start in the site, within a couple months or maximum few years site should be dead and tokens have zero value. Even if this succeeded at beginning at some point someone would launch similar type of blockchain based poker software with better terms for players (1% rake for example) and this would mean end to this. And when interest to this platform decreases there wouldn't be any reason why anybody would want to pay anything for those tokens anymore and people who will end up having chips in their account at that time will lose all their money.

[aa112112]

1. Well I assume that if some casual player wins supposedly +1,000,000$ in poker tournament many would like to cash out at least most of that winning but that is unfortunately very likely to be impossible to do.

There have been ~$40,000,000 spent in the ico so far in just 2 days since it started. This is with limited exposure and marketing. Even if someone is dumb enough to dump $1,000,000 worth at market value rather than do it in steps, I'm sure the price wouldn't even drop much.

3. RNG and other technical solutions are also meaningless considering that we are playing with money that is equivalent to play money used in monopoly board game for example. That is the only meaningful point I am trying to make that essentially those tokens should be absolutely worthless. They are nothing more than tokens printed to specifically play poker in that platform. I can't understand why those would have any usd value outside of that platform since there is no other use whatsoever for those chips outside of that platform. Just like money used to play monopoly board game, I wouldn't pay usd for that money either.

Do you pay usd for any other crypto? 99% of the coins on coinmarketcap have no actual use and trade for much more than this. Essentially all cryptos are "play money" to an uninformed individual.

In order to buy in you have to buy CHP via ethereum. They are already valued at ~0.3USD based on the ethereum parity. In order to win a $1,000,000 prize that you claim you have to pay a buy-in that will most likely be $1,000 or more. Do you understand poker at all?

No other poker site has a mental poker RNG. Also, no other poker site would be as convenient for moving money in-out as one based on crypto.

I can't wait to see what happens when those chips open trading in exchange. I am expecting that even if for some reason people initially pay something for those and games start in the site, within a couple months or maximum few years site should be dead and tokens have zero value. Even if this succeeded at beginning at some point someone would launch similar type of blockchain based poker software with better terms for players (1% rake for example) and this would mean end to this. And when interest to this platform decreases there wouldn't be any reason why anybody would want to pay anything for those tokens anymore and people who will end up having chips in their account at that time will lose all their money.

The token should also have a secondary use for speculation on exchanges. I doubt anyone will sell for less than what they bought in for, so what you're implying makes no sense.

The opening tournament series in february/march will be viral in the poker world, everyone will want a piece of that prize action. Since the buyin is 3000 CHP, it's already valued at $1,000 to buy in. The ones that missed out will want some CHP from somewhere and they will have to get it from an exchange.

If you're unaware, they just had a tournament for a Tesla added to the first place yesterday and the prize pool (from participants) was ~900k CHP. Yes, they had almost 300 people paying the same 3000 CHP buyin just yesterday, for the Tesla. That was ~257 ETH at current prices.

$250k thrown into a tournament into a beta site that barely anyone knows about is pretty good at this stage

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Please look in the ecosystem at some of the other "successful" ICOs. In comparison to most of them, what is offered here is in a whole different league.

But like I said, feel free to skip it. The more CHP they burn at the end of the ICO the better for everyone that is actually interested in this.

[hmmmmmm]

Do you pay usd for any other crypto? 99% of the coins on coinmarketcap have no actual use and trade for much more than this. Essentially all cryptos are "play money" to an uninformed individual.

As far as im understood most projects have at least some plans for future use of their tokens so that there is value based on speculation of that. Or like Bitcoin, Litecoin ect. have potential use as storage of value (like gold for example) or usage as currency. CHP will have no potential future use outside of their own platform, so there is no reason for it to have any value.

In order to buy in you have to buy CHP via ethereum. They are already valued at ~0.3USD based on the ethereum parity. In order to win a $1,000,000 prize that you claim you have to pay a buy-in that will most likely be $1,000 or more. Do you understand poker at all?

What do you mean, you yourself wrote that first tournament is 3000CHP buyin = 1000$ if CHP is valued ~0.3$. +1000,000$ prizes were estimated only by fact that there is added 16,000,000 CHP in opening tournament. Of course those tokens doesn't have any value until they hit exchanges. Then we only see how much value people give them.

The token should also have a secondary use for speculation on exchanges. I doubt anyone will sell for less than what they bought in for, so what you're implying makes no sense.

The opening tournament series in february/march will be viral in the poker world, everyone will want a piece of that prize action. Since the buyin is 3000 CHP, it's already valued at $1,000 to buy in. The ones that missed out will want some CHP from somewhere and they will have to get it from an exchange.

If you're unaware, they just had a tournament for a Tesla added to the first place yesterday and the prize pool (from participants) was ~900k CHP. Yes, they had almost 300 people paying the same 3000 CHP buyin just yesterday, for the Tesla. That was ~257 ETH at current prices.

$250k thrown into a tournament into a beta site that barely anyone knows about is pretty good at this stage

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Please look in the ecosystem at some of the other "successful" ICOs. In comparison to most of them, what is offered here is in a whole different league.

But like I said, feel free to skip it. The more CHP they burn at the end of the ICO the better for everyone that is actually interested in this.

Well if games in the site are starting to die I guess you have to sell lower what you bought unless you want to hold those worthless coins indefinitely. Tho getting even anything for those at that point is a bonus.

If they were constantly putting bonus prizes in tournaments in form of cars or ETH then there would be at least one reason for CHP to have at least some value. I doubt that will happen more often than maybe max couple of times, one Tesla isn't very much from 40,000,000$ worth of ETH they have already collected, they must have problems figuring out what they do with all that money.

Well you can probably guess that I am not participating, but I am very interested to see how this turns out.

[Trade-coin.Ico]

Too much information makes us panic

[Zer0Sum]

Please look in the ecosystem at some of the other "successful" ICOs. In comparison to most of them, what is offered here is in a whole different league.

Right now 1280 players... how many players does $1 billion REP have (zero) or $224 million GNO (zero).
CHP is backed by serious money gaming pros, not Ethereum SuperGeeks who have never set foot in a casino.

BTW, 1280 players is 1-2% of the online poker universe... the word is out about the soft games.

[shewadiwadi]

Any elapsed time for being listed on any exchange?

[Trade-coin.Ico]

''Well if games in the site are starting to die I guess you have to sell lower what you bought unless you want to hold those worthless coins indefinitely. Tho getting even anything for those at that point is a bonus.

If they were constantly putting bonus prizes in tournaments in form of cars or ETH then there would be at least one reason for CHP to have at least some value. I doubt that will happen more often than maybe max couple of times, one Tesla isn't very much from 40,000,000$ worth of ETH they have already collected, they must have problems figuring out what they do with all that money.

Well you can probably guess that I am not participating, but I am very interested to see how this turns out.
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Worth thinking!!!!!

[DKNWM]

CoinPoker ICO is LIVE! Get your tokens NOW ➡️ www.coinpoker.com

https://i.imgur.com/gYj0lgJ.jpg

Hello! If ICO does not sell 137,500,000 PE (1 ETH = 3,500 CHP) what will happen to the CoinPoker project?

[Coin_poker]

Any elapsed time for being listed on any exchange?

Hello exchanges should be announce after the ICO / February!

[Coin_poker]

CoinPoker ICO is LIVE! Get your tokens NOW ➡️ www.coinpoker.com

Hello! If ICO does not sell 137,500,000 PE (1 ETH = 3,500 CHP) what will happen to the CoinPoker project?

Hello, the unsold CHP will be burned at the end of the ICO. CoinPoker project will still go on!

[duchaitp]

When is there a wallet for android and iOS? Do as soon as possible.

[alexvilis]

Win 200 ETH in Tournaments!

It’s hard to top giving away a Tesla…but we cannot stop there, can we? That’s why we’re launching brand new tournaments where we will give ETH prizes! You loved these events before, and now, they’re BIGGER and better.

We‘re going to be holding four tournaments in two days, and each of them will have a GUARANTEED 50 ETH prize pool. The buy-in is only 300 CHP, so it’s a total bargain, too! Are you good enough to win? Well, register now, play, and find out!

https://twitter.com/CoinPoker_OFF/status/956085860382007296

[Kilomans]

A bit disappointed , wanted to see more.
Will follow up and hope you will have done some more.

Would be willing to participate in successful poker block-chain project any way I can

[vd309]

Regarding the 200 ETH tournaments. Those  tournaments are for investors only, but Coinpoker allow people who are non-investors to register as well with freeroll won CHPs, although they won't be eligible for the ETH prizes. When prize will not be claimed or player is non-investor ETH won't be payed to the next eligible player in line. In theory all 45 winners may be non-investors and ETH won't be claimed. Doesn't seems fair to me.