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December 28, 2013, 05:54:42 AM |
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Don't bother. At the current prices, there's no use buying these.
IMO, full rigs need to drop down to ~$6k to be competitive at this point. Throwing money at Bitmain presently makes more sense. The present pricing leads me to believe that the Bitfury directors are making way more money mining with their hardware than selling it, and selling to us at a reasonable price would be counter to their present goals of controlling as much hashrate as they can and keeping it out of their customers' hands. Where have we seen this before... IOW: Tytus got greedy, and is flying the middle-finger in our faces with his outrageous current pricing. </conspiracy-theory> I wrote Tytus complaining about the pricing. He responded that he is not in charge and then wrote a wordy bitcoin economics lessen that I could not follow. I doubt it made a difference but the next day the h boards dropped from $999 to $675. All I know is they are still too expensive and sushi has been getting a lot of my money lately. +1 and +1 Bitfury is really falling behind in my eyes. unless they can keep up they will make no sales. (IMO, an H-board should already be less than 0.7BTC if they want to keep up with the competition)
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pdawg
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December 28, 2013, 06:04:03 AM |
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even at 3.15 btc, the jan batch of antminers will be hard pressed to make that back, given the diff is doubling MoM. So they either need to accept fiat or lower the purchase price in BTC otherwise you will be throwing away BTC. (This is coming from the mindset that you are long term accumulating btc.)
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Kaega
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December 28, 2013, 09:47:50 AM |
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Bitfury is really falling behind in my eyes. unless they can keep up they will make no sales. (IMO, an H-board should already be less than 0.7BTC if they want to keep up with the competition)
You are missing their business objectives. They sold boards to fund their mine. You, the consumer, are no longer needed until they liquidate existing stock for next gen.
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Xian01
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December 28, 2013, 03:18:56 PM |
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You are missing their business objectives. They sold boards to fund their mine. You, the consumer, are no longer needed until they liquidate existing stock for next gen.
Exactly this, which is what makes Bitfury seem so unpalatable to me moving forward. Very unfortunate to see an ASIC manufacturer we all had such high hopes and regard for, become so transparently selfish Very happy with their gear, but this recent pricing is just slimy and carries the stench of Cartel-like behavior. No slag against Dave at all. He's been a standup guy throughout all this, and sad to see him get dragged into this pricing messiness
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klondike_bar
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December 28, 2013, 03:30:22 PM |
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even at 3.15 btc, the jan batch of antminers will be hard pressed to make that back, given the diff is doubling MoM. So they either need to accept fiat or lower the purchase price in BTC otherwise you will be throwing away BTC. (This is coming from the mindset that you are long term accumulating btc.)
I agree that 3.15 BTC may be hard to get back. The 4.25BTC batch though has already returned around 2.5 BTC per miner though and im happy buying hardware as long as it can return at minimum 90% of its cost, since the hardware retains 'ebay value' and is something of a hobby.
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December 28, 2013, 04:42:09 PM |
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Possible bug in the V3 image: When the pool experiences an outage (due to DDOS) the mining software auto-tunes the chips for entire cards down to 52 and leaves them there.
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December 28, 2013, 07:32:00 PM |
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Possible bug in the V3 image: When the pool experiences an outage (due to DDOS) the mining software auto-tunes the chips for entire cards down to 52 and leaves them there.
Guaranteed solution: manually tune your chips and do not use the autotune feature (it's not that clever either way and you will be better able to tune the chips yourself)
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Beans
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December 29, 2013, 03:38:13 AM |
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Is anyone else still waiting for a refund on the October batch?
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bobcaticus
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December 29, 2013, 04:59:59 AM |
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Is anyone else still waiting for a refund on the October batch?
Please shoot both me and Yvonne an email so we can get to the bottom of this. First time I'd heard of it. sales@ support@ Thanks, Jason
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December 29, 2013, 10:18:24 AM |
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Are there any plans to sell chips on MBP online store anytime soon? Thanks
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Revewing Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
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Taugeran
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December 30, 2013, 01:42:52 AM |
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Are there any plans to sell chips on MBP online store anytime soon? Thanks
Distributors worldwide are sold out of the chips. They are purportedly going to be back in stock late January early February
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tom99
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December 31, 2013, 04:37:50 AM |
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BFL is low price now for 50Gh/s for less than 1k usd and 10Gh/s less than 400usd. I got email from them today.
edit: 230Gh/s for 4300usd.
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bobcaticus
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December 31, 2013, 04:50:39 AM |
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Are there any plans to sell chips on MBP online store anytime soon? Thanks
Stay tuned. I'll make an announcement real soon, once I get all the details.
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goxed
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December 31, 2013, 06:06:13 AM |
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Are there any plans to sell chips on MBP online store anytime soon? Thanks
Stay tuned. I'll make an announcement real soon, once I get all the details. Thanks, I hope the prices are competitive. They are patiently waiting
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Revewing Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
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Keefe
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December 31, 2013, 06:51:03 AM |
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BFL is low price now for 50Gh/s for less than 1k usd and 10Gh/s less than 400usd. I got email from them today.
edit: 230Gh/s for 4300usd.
BFL is still way overpriced. Take that 230GH unit for example: $18.50/GH and 4.5W/GH. Compare with a 180GH Antminer at $12.60/GH and 2W/GH. And both are now a bad investment IMO, along with Bitfury unless they cut their prices almost in half. Paying more than $10/GH right now is a bad idea. (I count Bitfury as 38GH/card)
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bobcaticus
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December 31, 2013, 09:10:00 PM Last edit: December 31, 2013, 10:18:14 PM by bobcaticus |
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OK - he's the info from Dave:
1) $15,000 for a reel of 3000 chips. Orders are pre-paid only and non-cancel / non-return. Payment needs to be by Jan 7th via wire transfer or BTC. Available for Delivery mid Feb.
2) We are going to order a roll to break up and sell by chips. Singles will be put up on the store once they are physically in hand - probably mid-late Feb. We don't have a price yet per chip.
If you are interested in a full roll, please contact either sales@ or support@ and we will get back to you as soon as possible. I'll give everyone a heads up when I'm about ready to put them up in the store once we get them in hand mid-Feb 2014.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
-Jason
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klondike_bar
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December 31, 2013, 11:34:32 PM |
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OK - he's the info from Dave:
1) $15,000 for a reel of 3000 chips. Orders are pre-paid only and non-cancel / non-return. Payment needs to be by Jan 7th via wire transfer or BTC. Available for Delivery mid Feb.
2) We are going to order a roll to break up and sell by chips. Singles will be put up on the store once they are physically in hand - probably mid-late Feb. We don't have a price yet per chip.
If you are interested in a full roll, please contact either sales@ or support@ and we will get back to you as soon as possible. I'll give everyone a heads up when I'm about ready to put them up in the store once we get them in hand mid-Feb 2014.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
-Jason
mid-feb? by that time $5/GH will be the going rate for machines, and these chips are only capable of ~2.5GH.
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Doff
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January 01, 2014, 03:37:17 AM |
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Time for a 75% off New Years special I think.
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tom99
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January 01, 2014, 07:21:37 AM |
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price dont look good for new year 2014 back to 999.00 usd for Hboard and 10 or more for 650.00 usd each hboard.
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Keefe
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January 01, 2014, 08:21:26 AM |
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Tomorrow's difficulty increase is going to be a little less than expected, so I'll currently pay $425 per card shipped Jan 2.
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