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July 15, 2011, 01:47:11 AM
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I suspect there will always be people running proportional pools and doing nothing about pool hoppers. There's just too much demand (from miners) for proportional payouts, and not enough interest (again from miners) in stopping pool hoppers.

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July 15, 2011, 04:34:24 AM
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I suspect there will always be people running proportional pools and doing nothing about pool hoppers. There's just too much demand (from miners) for proportional payouts, and not enough interest (again from miners) in stopping pool hoppers.

I agree that this is the case right now and will be if there's no intervention. So ... now we have stats, why don't we start posting our efficiencies? Am I right in assuming the stats are based on all shares and coins received, not just for the current round?

Then it would be great to see how other people are doing efficiency wise, and even better to show on the front a of this thread what efficiencies we are getting, and to really drive the point home, how many extra coins that was for the hopper. Or, how many fewer coins the normal members of the pool got, assuming a particular total hopper hashrate (which is not so hard to find given the stats pages some prop pools have - just watch the drop off some of them have after 40% difficulty).

I'm not home so I can't start this off, but anyone want to post their stats so far?


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July 15, 2011, 04:37:22 AM
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Also, how do we re-enable bitclockers?

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July 15, 2011, 05:47:57 AM
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1) Bitclockers reenable?
Change their role in the servers dictionary in pool.py from info to mine

2) Stats?
Well I'm rewriting it now to use a database. And to show stats for all the servers we mine.

Mine are 133% for btcguild.

Around 800% for bitp.it. I withdrew some money and because their api doesn't tell me that its a rough estimate from what I remember.

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July 15, 2011, 06:17:42 AM
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I suspect there will always be people running proportional pools and doing nothing about pool hoppers. There's just too much demand (from miners) for proportional payouts, and not enough interest (again from miners) in stopping pool hoppers.

you are right, I have 4*5870 @ x8s moved when btcguild went down and will move them back to btcguild if they change proportional to something else

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July 15, 2011, 09:28:51 AM
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I just noticed it switching from bitpit(that is still <100k shares) to arsbitcoin thats >800k shares..

Surely it shouldnt have switched at all ? It did switch back to bitpit after a few minutes, just curious why it would be doing this since it could overtime count for alot of wasted work on wrong pools.

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July 15, 2011, 09:40:46 AM
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DIFF = 10000 (example)
btcguild =     1/100    = 0.01 (means btcguild has 100 shares right now)
bitpit =         1/3000  = 0.0003
bitclockers =  1/500    = 0.002
bitcoinslc =    1/10000 = 0.00001

BREAKEVEN = DIFF * 0.4 = 4000 (only switch between pools lower than break even)
RAND(0, (btcguild + bitpit + bitclockers))
0-0.01 -> btcguild
0.01-0.0103 -> bitpit
0.0103-0.0303 -> bitclockers

i now have a working implementation. i just starts a new server select whenever your client founds a share

its based on an old version with lp disabled completly - but (for me) its more stable.

(no password.py, no stats...) i don't know if i iwill upgrade the code. depends if i can go > 48hours without error

please remeber to change your pool accounts in pool.py!

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July 15, 2011, 10:00:23 AM
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I dont think I need to comment - except ... been 'hopped much, Mt Red?



(thanks to mperth's stats at http://mksv.ath.cx/bit/stats.php)

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July 15, 2011, 10:06:41 AM
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Btcguild is now (like deepbit) thinking of delaying stats instead of switching to a secure payout system...

It looks however as if they just want to remove some stats from the API - setting donation to 2.5% and just monitoring changes in the account balance might still work...

It's time however I think to start beating stuff like delayed stats too, as this would re-enable hopping deepbit + BTCguild, who are huge in comparison to other pools.

@Mtred hopping:
Interestingly we seem to have helped them nevertheless (as there are more people who keep mining after 40% than the round before).
For operators that's actually a very good thing, for users... not that much. Wink

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July 15, 2011, 10:16:26 AM
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There is more good than bad coming from "us" hoppers.

Network spikes increase the likelihood of more users moving/joining different pools thus spreading load across pools rather than one pool hogging 50%+ of network hashrate.

Its a psychological effect, people see success and follow.

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July 15, 2011, 10:21:51 AM
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Which is why if I were to start a pool, I would start it proportionally and submit code + live stats for pool hoppers. Then pay regular miners out of my own pocket a little bonus so they don't loose out.

After some time, if the pool has grown enough to have reasonably low variance, switch to PPLNS (I'm not that much of a fan of SMPPS, as it suggests that miners will always be paid PPS, which isn't true in some bad luck cases) and still enjoy a few rounds of pool hoppers who are too slow to update.

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July 15, 2011, 10:30:37 AM
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Any reason not to start adding up and comers instead of going after the big guys? The problem with btcguild is that I hardly get any shares before they're out of range. Maybe we should start encouraging the little guys, say 30 Ghps and over, and help them ramp up? We'll give them a boost and maybe encourage others to join increasing diversity in the pools.

And that's why, Sukrim, someone like you  Wink  with lots of kudos should approach NoFeeMining and get them to allow access to their stats on a trial basis.

As for me, I'm waiting for Bit hasher to hit the 30Ghps mark. They look good, api seems useable.


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July 15, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
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Yupii, seems like bitp.it just got lucky Wink

edit: Here are my stats from the proxy  http://www.2shared.com/file/IpuYpwOJ/stats.html

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July 15, 2011, 10:41:03 AM
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Yupii, seems like bitp.it just got lucky Wink

Yep between them and mtred, its been a glorious 24hrs Wink

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July 15, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
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2) Stats?
Well I'm rewriting it now to use a database. And to show stats for all the servers we mine.

Mine are 133% for btcguild.

Around 800% for bitp.it. I withdrew some money and because their api doesn't tell me that its a rough estimate from what I remember.

Long term stats - sweet, mayne!

my current stats:
Bitpit efficiency: 33838%
Btcguild efficiency: 152%
Bitclockers efficiency: 118%

(bitpit certainly did get lucky! As did I)

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July 15, 2011, 10:44:57 AM
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Any reason not to start adding up and comers instead of going after the big guys?
Rounds there last forever aaand the risk of being scammed is also a LOT higher if they just have a userbase of ~50 ppl. Especially since they might view it as "cheating the cheaters" and not even feel wrong about it.

https://www.nofeemining.com/ has anyways "round shares" on their front page, that's all you need really. As they only found 2 blocks so far though I'm still a bit sceptical...

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July 15, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
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I think right now bithopper have a decently big-enough per pool balanced list.

Its only really worth it to include 100gh+ sized pools at this point.

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July 15, 2011, 10:53:59 AM
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I think right now bithopper have a decently big-enough per pool balanced list.

Its only really worth it to include 100gh+ sized pools at this point.

I think you´re right but for testing purposes I just enabled all pools and temporarily disabled the backup (have other failsafe method)


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July 15, 2011, 10:58:00 AM
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I think right now bithopper have a decently big-enough per pool balanced list.

Its only really worth it to include 100gh+ sized pools at this point.

I think you´re right but for testing purposes I just enabled all pools and temporarily disabled the backup (have other failsafe method)


My last hour stats:  http://www.2shared.com/file/IpuYpwOJ/stats.html

2shared just seems to hang, weirdness.

Anyhow, its worth it for people to test out different approaches other than default current bithopper methods.

Would be nice to see the different outcomes Smiley


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July 15, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
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I think right now bithopper have a decently big-enough per pool balanced list.

Its only really worth it to include 100gh+ sized pools at this point.

I think you´re right but for testing purposes I just enabled all pools and temporarily disabled the backup (have other failsafe method)


My last hour stats:  http://www.2shared.com/file/IpuYpwOJ/stats.html

2shared just seems to hang, weirdness.

Anyhow, its worth it for people to test out different approaches other than default current bithopper methods.

Would be nice to see the different outcomes Smiley



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