HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet

[Visesrion]

Where are you located?

I am located in Spain.

That means around 21% in vat of the value that HF declares and more fees for handeling the customs. Just thinking about the price makes my wallet cry  

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[Visesrion]

Where are you located?

I am located in Spain.

That means around 21% in vat of the value that HF declares and more fees for handeling the customs. Just thinking about the price makes my wallet cry  

Ouch, gotcha.

Have you considered other hosting options in US? I think there was a Group Buy organizer offering up hosting services.

Yes of course. I have already got 2-3 options on the US. One was about the 2,5% and the other around 75$ fixed rate per month as the babyjet is supposed to be so power efficient. But of course, if HF offers a hosting solution next to their fabrication place I will go with them and turn those already paid 600$ into hosting contract payment.

Lets hope HF comes up with a nice hosting service ready to work in time with their first babyjet deployment

[bobsag3]

Where are you located?

I am located in Spain.

That means around 21% in vat of the value that HF declares and more fees for handeling the customs. Just thinking about the price makes my wallet cry  

Ouch, gotcha.

Have you considered other hosting options in US? I think there was a Group Buy organizer offering up hosting services.

The GB man would be Mr Zombie, with me as the host

[DyslexicZombei]

Where are you located?

I am located in Spain.

That means around 21% in vat of the value that HF declares and more fees for handeling the customs. Just thinking about the price makes my wallet cry  

Ouch, gotcha.

Have you considered other hosting options in US? I think there was a Group Buy organizer offering up hosting services.

The GB man would be Mr Zombie, with me as the host

I mostly take a back seat to Group Buys nowadays (more of a head cheerleader), with thomas_s leading the charge for new GB Rounds, but yes, I do help others with vetted miner host matchmaking.

bobsag3 has been double vetted by myself and John K, and is offering the world's lowest professional insured hosting prices at 2.75% per 2 week payout. He's also done a number of impressive upgrades to his professional colocation hosting facility specially designed with my input and with ASIC miners in mind.

[ecliptic]

so they mislead us (lied) about the MPP to get us to invest in them

the MPP was always just raw chips.

no biggie as far as i'm concerned.  they aren't into selling the modules for a huge profit. 

Wait, what the fucking shit, they just send you an ASIC? 

Uh??? Documentation for it?  Reference designs maybe?

That's basically the entire ordeal and clusterfuck that the avalon chips were, maybe worse.  You'd have to design/acquire a PCB, pick & place assemble it, and integrate it into the system, horribly expensive and inefficient to do in small numbers.  god help you if you have to go through a group buy sort of thing.

Please tell me I’m missing something here because this has red flags all over it.

[HashFast_CL]

IMPORTANT UPDATE


HashFast customers opting for the Miner Protection Program will receive their additional ASICs already assembled onto mini-boards.

We are not shipping raw chips. 

There is no need for MMP customers to worry about the time/trouble/expense of PCB integration.

MPP mini-boards will arrive ready to go, and are easily installed into a Baby Jet's extra space.  The process is a lot like upgrading a normal PC and does not require any soldering or special tools beyond a screwdriver.

If our customers wish to install them in something different from the two models of rig that HashFast makes (the Baby Jet & the Sierra) that's absolutely OK.  All that's needed is some kind of ATX case, a standard PC power supply, a cooling system of their choice,  and a controller.   The choice of what controller to use is also completely up to the customer; just about any device that will run CGminer is fine (a raspberry pi, a tablet, a small server, or whatever works best).

Also, if someone you trust has come up with a design you like, feel free to ask them for a hand or buy one from them.  We believe that hardware should be open, and available for anyone to take in whatever direction they think is best. 

As far as we are concerned, this is an extension of the same approach we are taking with our software; HashFast drivers will be completely open-source so you may software of your choice, and CGminer will have native support right away. 

We've been running CGMiner in our FPGA emulation since June.   It works great, and we think people will be happy with the quality of our drivers.   Other folks who have seen them were

[ninjarobot]

Thanks for the clarification. This is good news. MPP is solid.

[cypherdoc]

Other folks who have seen them were

that ain't no just some other folk you be talkin' about.

it's The Con Kolivas.

[HashFast]

Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

We’re sorry this went a bit early - we’ll be back with full details as soon as we finalize and get the documentation together.

Cheers,

Team HashFast

[Bicknellski]

IMPORTANT UPDATE


HashFast customers opting for the Miner Protection Program will receive their additional ASICs already assembled onto mini-boards.

We are not shipping raw chips.  

There is no need for MMP customers to worry about the time/trouble/expense of PCB integration.

MPP mini-boards will arrive ready to go, and are easily installed into a Baby Jet's extra space.  The process is a lot like upgrading a normal PC and does not require any soldering or special tools beyond a screwdriver.

If our customers wish to install them in something different from the two models of rig that HashFast makes (the Baby Jet & the Sierra) that's absolutely OK.  All that's needed is some kind of ATX case, a standard PC power supply, a cooling system of their choice,  and a controller.   The choice of what controller to use is also completely up to the customer; just about any device that will run CGminer is fine (a raspberry pi, a tablet, a small server, or whatever works best).

Also, if someone you trust has come up with a design you like, feel free to ask them for a hand or buy one from them.  We believe that hardware should be open, and available for anyone to take in whatever direction they think is best.  

As far as we are concerned, this is an extension of the same approach we are taking with our software; HashFast drivers will be completely open-source so you may software of your choice, and CGminer will have native support right away.  

We've been running CGMiner in our FPGA emulation since June.   It works great, and we think people will be happy with the quality of our drivers.   Other folks who have seen them were

We will take some raw chips if you have any kicking about... our project is keen on working with a variety of chips you know.

[crumbs]

Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

We’re sorry this went a bit early - we’ll be back with full details as soon as we finalize and get the documentation together.

Cheers,

Team HashFast

So batch 1 orders are unaffected by this?

[pmorici]

Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

We’re sorry this went a bit early - we’ll be back with full details as soon as we finalize and get the documentation together.

Cheers,

Team HashFast

So batch 1 orders are unaffected by this?

That would be incredibly lame.  It would be a double slight; killing the market for boards since no one after the first batch would need them while also explicitly giving preferential treatment to later customers.

[Visesrion]

So batch 1 orders are unaffected by this?

That would be incredibly lame.  It would be a double slight; killing the market for boards since no one after the first batch would need them while also explicitly giving preferential treatment to later customers.

I totally agree. They already made damage to first batch customers by offering those 3 days of sales where you can purchase a sierra with x3 hashing power at the same price as a babyjet with 1 month difference (which will be shorter if they delay the first bach shipment). If they now exclude this first customers from giving them the modular boards if the MPP has to be executed that will make no sense.

[itod]

If they now exclude this first customers from giving them the modular boards if the MPP has to be executed that will make no sense.

Read the other HF thread, it's official: Customers from all batches covered by MPP will be given fully functional miners, nobody will get only chips. It was not clear in original blog post and now they've made it explicit.

[Visesrion]

If they now exclude this first customers from giving them the modular boards if the MPP has to be executed that will make no sense.

Read the other HF thread, it's official: Customers from all batches covered by MPP will be given fully functional miners, nobody will get only chips. It was not clear in original blog post and now they've made it explicit.

As crumbs pointed out:

Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

We’re sorry this went a bit early - we’ll be back with full details as soon as we finalize and get the documentation together.

Cheers,

Team HashFast

[itod]

As crumbs pointed out:

...

It can't be more clear than this in today's update:

IMPORTANT UPDATE


HashFast customers opting for the Miner Protection Program will receive their additional ASICs already assembled onto mini-boards.

We are not shipping raw chips.  

There is no need for MMP customers to worry about the time/trouble/expense of PCB integration.

MPP mini-boards will arrive ready to go, and are easily installed into a Baby Jet's extra space.  The process is a lot like upgrading a normal PC and does not require any soldering or special tools beyond a screwdriver.

[Visesrion]

It can't be more clear than this in today's update:

Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

We’re sorry this went a bit early - we’ll be back with full details as soon as we finalize and get the documentation together.

Cheers,

Team HashFast

By this comment I understand that what they published in today's update is not 100% sure and have to be clarified and still aproved by HF. Again I am not saying that you are not right, just lets wait for HF 100% confirmation udpate 

[murraypaul]

It can't be more clear than this in today's update:

It can't be less clear than the contradictory posts made.
It seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

[itod]

There's nothing contradictory, you guys are just muddying the clear water. Why copy/pasting instead of properly quoting something? Because that way it can't be seen the quote you are giving is posted before, not after the one I've quoted. The sentence:

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely.

applies to their original blog post, not to crystal-clear statement given afterwards that nobody will get raw chips as MPP compensation, everyone is getting fully functional miners. Everything else is just trolling.

[murraypaul]

There's nothing contradictory, you guys are just muddying the clear water. Why copy/pasting instead of properly quoting something? Because that way it can't be seen the quote you are giving is posted before, not after the one I've quoted. The sentence:

Are you sure?
The post you quoted was #1277, posted at 03:59 AM (in my timezone)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3328435#msg3328435

Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
Today at 03:59:55 AM
   
Reply with quote  #1277
IMPORTANT UPDATE


HashFast customers opting for the Miner Protection Program will receive their additional ASICs already assembled onto mini-boards.

The retraction was post #1282, posted at 06:08 AM (in my timezone)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3328732#msg3328732

   
Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
Today at 06:08:24 AM
   
Reply with quote  #1282
Hey Guys,

This statement needs to be clarified and was released prematurely. We are currently in the final stages of an internal discussion about how to further protect miners moving forward for customers that opt into purchasing it.

We have preliminarily decided to further protect our miners that opt in for the miner protection at a higher price point, and provide full modules for orders placed in Batch 2 and 3.

Unless there is another post you have seen, but not quoted here, the timeframe is pretty clear:
i) First, the blanket provision was given
ii) Then it was retracted, and a new provision for only batches 2 and 3 was given.