Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread

[RoadStress]

fubly & Roy Badami have you even read zefir's post?

fubly they will start delivering december batch units after they finish testing the chips.

Roy Badami zefir said higher volume of chips will be available in week 3-4/2014.

[Biffa]

any customer here on december batch?

When will they start deliver the december batch?

There was a 3 week delay in the delivery of the chips http://bitmine.ch/?p=4192

I guess that puts them somewhere in the last week of January for the December batch

[RHA]

Roy, look at the last photo - is it engineering sample? There are at least 138 chips (17 x 8 + 2) shown. Just 16 of them were sent for DIY leaders. Not all of the rest are needed for testing (and I think there are many more chips), so they are needed for the production.

Currently everyone at Bitmine is busy testing the chip (...).

Chip Testing
I visited Bitmine over the weekend for the initial chip bring-up. Test was performed on the first revision of the 8-chip boards that will be used in the rigs delivered to customers. We fought some very basic issues half night through - and finally we made the chips working. The cooling design is still worked on (and will be adapted to the findings during the tests), therefore we had to work without top heatsink. As a result, we could perform tests with reduced clocks so far, which is sufficient to validate the communication, chaining, and hashing. During the next days the cooling should be available and I will be able to explore the edges and post performance figures.

The conclusion? No need for panic. All looks very well.

[Fireminer]

Obviously, large delay for December and beg-January orders. Zefir in another forum mentions also "3/4 week of January" when larger quantities of chips are delivered. This clearly means first rigs out - in 1-2 week of Feb earliest. But I think guys there are doing whatever they can to expedite things...
Questions are:
- will this delay be progressively reduced towards end of February?
- will we be able to break even starting mining then?

There is however hope: if Btc rises to unbearable heights of $3-4K. Today's news is an example how thing can go suddenly better due an announcement of just one company. So let's ne optimistic.

(And I agree to a sub-standard level of PR in Bitmine. Seems they are all engineers  .)

[Bitcoinorama]

FYI: The initial testing of the chips passed, first wave of sample chips distributed to DIY projects shipped. More details here.

Glad to see things on the up, and up for you Zefir after the Bitsyncom/Avalon debacle...

[lclc]

Today would be 3 weeks from the latest initial shipping date (17. December).

Nope. If you entered into a contract you explicitly ruled out your right of stepping back of the contract. For that matter the customer protection plan was brought into life.

Very unprofessional indeed.

Their ToS/AGB don't matter when it's against the Swiss law. You can not justify a delay with a ToS.

See:
OR Art. 107
OR Art. 108 Ziff. 1 and 2
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19110009/index.html#a107

I requested a full refund of my Bitcoins by registered letter on Friday, so far no answer. The miner is useless now for me.
I guess my lawyer will have to handle that now.

[lossminer]

Today would be 3 weeks from the latest initial shipping date (17. December).

Nope. If you entered into a contract you explicitly ruled out your right of stepping back of the contract. For that matter the customer protection plan was brought into life.

Very unprofessional indeed.

Their ToS/AGB don't matter when it's against the Swiss law. You can not justify a delay with a ToS.

See:
OR Art. 107
OR Art. 108 Ziff. 1 and 2
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19110009/index.html#a107

I requested a full refund of my Bitcoins by registered letter on Friday, so far no answer. The miner is useless now for me.
I guess my lawyer will have to handle that now.

great post, I would really like to be updated on the refund and what a lawyer thinks of it.
Also, what I understood is that no preorder customer received an invoice or official confirmation after payment, so I assume a contract with Bitmine AG was legally not established.

[Roy Badami]

Roy, look at the last photo - is it engineering sample? There are at least 138 chips (17 x 8 + 2) shown. Just 16 of them were sent for DIY leaders. Not all of the rest are needed for testing (and I think there are many more chips), so they are needed for the production.

Currently everyone at Bitmine is busy testing the chip (...).

Chip Testing
I visited Bitmine over the weekend for the initial chip bring-up. Test was performed on the first revision of the 8-chip boards that will be used in the rigs delivered to customers. We fought some very basic issues half night through - and finally we made the chips working. The cooling design is still worked on (and will be adapted to the findings during the tests), therefore we had to work without top heatsink. As a result, we could perform tests with reduced clocks so far, which is sufficient to validate the communication, chaining, and hashing. During the next days the cooling should be available and I will be able to explore the edges and post performance figures.

The conclusion? No need for panic. All looks very well.

Yes indeed, I'd forgotten about that photo.  Hopefully it means they have enough chips in hand for batch 1.  And zefir's post is very positive news.

Thanks

roy

[BuTaJIu4eK]

BITMINE,
Make your pool for testing Asik miners in network logins buyers miners, to calm people and confidence in your intentions honest sale, and not just to collect cash!
And it will attract more buyers!
+ Need a competition, and you have it!
Thank you!

[grv]

BITMINE,
Make your pool for testing Asik miners in network logins buyers miners, to calm people and confidence in your intentions honest sale, and not just to collect cash!
And it will attract more buyers!
+ Need a competition, and you have it!
Thank you!

P.S. I look forward to my order ID: 346

seconded, both for testing and qc burn-in period (which is usually between 1-3 days)

[xray]

Any updated news from bitmine

[georgem]

Any updated news from bitmine

EDIT: The information below is wrong, please see updated information here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.msg4972393#msg4972393


I just called them, and posed a few questions.

So they expect 10k chips to arrive in the middle of january, and another 10k at the end of january.

For my February First week delivery they expect a 50% chance that it will be 2 weeks to late, and
they will update the devices with 10% each.
(they still expect that 50% chance that it will have no delay at all   )

I asked them how to calculate the delay date, and they told me, if it says february first week, I
have to take the first day of this week, and count 10 days for delivery, and then the customer plan
triggers.

If you have ordered more then one device, each of the devices will recieve the 10% update, and not only
the order as a whole.

I also asked them if people will get their money back the way they payed. Will you get bitcoins back if you payed with bitcoins.
But he declined to answer, and told me that he is just a worker there and can not give an answer at the moment.

When asked about the software and how they will be updating it, he told me that the software will have a setting where you can have it update the firmware/software thru the webinterface.

So far so good, I expect the first guys to recieve their devices at the end of january.

[mastahofdesastah]

i did not understand when the bulk chips delivery starts?
They dont have batches for them.

When i order 500 Chips today, when they will be shipped?
Someone can give me a hint?

[georgem]

i did not understand when the bulk chips delivery starts?
They dont have batches for them.

When i order 500 Chips today, when they will be shipped?
Someone can give me a hint?

I just call them and they always answer if you call inside the allowed time window.

So you could do just that.

[matt4054]

Prices are set in USD

You will get refunds in USD... they convert BTC into cash to keep their budget predictable with factory expenses etc. It makes sense...

And think the other way round: if BTC falls back to 200, you will still get what you paid in USD, no loss.

In other words, when you buy a miner with BTC you convert Bitcoin into cash.

[georgem]

Prices are set in USD

You will get refunds in USD... they convert BTC into cash to keep their budget predictable with factory expenses etc. It makes sense...

And think the other way round: if BTC falls back to 200, you will still get what you paid in USD, no loss.

Yes of course. I was asking them because they don't say that on their site. They simply state you will get your money back after 60 days.
They don't say in what form.

But ofcourse it makes sense, since on the order and bill it states dollars and not bitcoins.

[RetroGamer]

i did not understand when the bulk chips delivery starts?
They dont have batches for them.

When i order 500 Chips today, when they will be shipped?
Someone can give me a hint?

OMG

What do you not understand the system?
you designed a chip of this is first in a small series produced to check that it is working properly and if you did everything right.
so-called example chips!
I that in an other post wrote only if the sample were successfully tested chips be ordered original chips!
and of course, no one throws a machine for 500 chips lol
Order quantity are well generally 10,000 chips.
the production and shipping take in the rule 14 days after ordering

[mastahofdesastah]

OMG

What do you not understand the system?

- Your posts

you designed a chip of this is first in a small series produced to check that it is working properly and if you did everything right.
so-called example chips!
I that in an other post wrote only if the sample were successfully tested chips be ordered original chips!

- Nothing to do with my Question. btw. a few post below yours:
Quote gerogem:
So they expect 10k chips to arrive in the middle of january, and another 10k at the end of january.

and of course, no one throws a machine for 500 chips lol
Order quantity are well generally 10,000 chips.
the production and shipping take in the rule 14 days after ordering

- Im sure the dont trow away the rest of the wafer  

but i can order right now 500 chips from the website for 40,000
http://bitmine.ch/?product=coincraft-ai-asic

So you will say to me, the collect the bulk orders till the have 10,000 instead of shipping the already orderes chips? Im sure Bitmine ordered a few chips more as only needed, for replacing/upgrade/etc.

[RetroGamer]

Any updated news from bitmine

I just called them, and posed a few questions.

So they expect 10k chips to arrive in the middle of january, and another 10k at the end of january.

For my February First week delivery they expect a 50% chance that it will be 2 weeks to late, and
they will update the devices with 10% each.
(they still expect that 50% chance that it will have no delay at all   )

I asked them how to calculate the delay date, and they told me, if it says february first week, I
have to take the first day of this week, and count 10 days for delivery, and then the customer plan
triggers.

If you have ordered more then one device, each of the devices will recieve the 10% update, and not only
the order as a whole.

I also asked them if people will get their money back the way they payed. Will you get bitcoins back if you payed with bitcoins.
But he declined to answer, and told me that he is just a worker there and can not give an answer at the moment.

When asked about the software and how they will be updating it, he told me that the software will have a setting where you can have it update the firmware/software thru the webinterface.

So far so good, I expect the first guys to recieve their devices at the end of january.

that confirmed my statement from the posts are about!
14 Days production and shipping (we remember)

So they expect 10 k chips to arrive in the middle of january, and another 10 k at the end of january.

This statement I think slow for bull shit!
Why?
1 is not yet test miner or did you get an info?
2.bitmine sold 3 batches Avalon - clone miner delivered but only batch 1 completely out because Bitsyncom/Avalon fuck the customers had and no chips delivered.
Batch 2 and 3 that means 190 machines are still open!
These customers (I am one of them) got free upgrade to the Coincraft devices
and if we now include:
1 Coincraft desk 1 TH/s has 50 chips x 190 devices from the backlog = 9500 chips
and I think even the new customers have not even ordered?
and there are even not counting the 10% penalty
Chips would be then that again 1900!
the remaining delay plays no major role more because they deliver a complete Board with 200 GH / s and with this cover even 20% penalty
I would like to be called here as alarmist but this world happened in the Bitcoin unfortunately too much
and time alone if I'm wrong with my opinion what should have happen but what if not?
If we lose all some BTC and a lot of money I think it much worse

[georgem]

1 Coincraft desk 1 TH/s has 50 chips x 190 devices from the backlog = 9500 chips

How did you find out how many devices were ordered and are in backlog? Did they tell you?
Are they so open about their order book? I didn't dare to ask them about that.