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September 27, 2013, 05:41:08 PM
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Thus, I dare you to prove your strategy really works. If it really works you will be able to bankrupt the house. Its your money against mine, just play long enough until us or you go busto.

What do you say?

Since I don't believe we treated Nakowa fairly, I would be willing to take this a step further.  [But I doubt this will be popular among investors, and I don't know how difficult this would be to implement].

Subject to ONE PROVISION, I would be willing to credit Nakowa's account by an amount equal to all the losses he has taken since the change was made. 

HERE'S THE PROVISION: His funds are *locked* at JD until the total volume of his bets is twice* the bet volume of the voided sequence.  I.e., he must keep betting and cannot withdraw any funds until his total bet volume is high enough**. 


*the reason I am saying twice the volume is to account for the fact that had Nakowa's bets after the change been winning bets, then he would have likely kept his winnings happily.

**I guess he must also exceed the volume within 7 days or so, or he forfeits this back to the investors.

I think most investors and doog will absolutely not agree with you on this.

And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?

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September 27, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
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Nakowa, let's put it this way:

As an investor, I'm the house. You won quite a lot of money from me and other investors. I watched you and I never thought you cheated, I'm 99.9% sure you are honest and playing in a fair way. I'm also 99.99999999% sure J-D is completely legit, and that you cannot beat the house edge if you play long enough. You can be lucky 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 times in a row, but not indefinitely.

Thus, I dare you to prove your strategy really works. If it really works you will be able to bankrupt the house. Its your money against mine, just play long enough until us or you go busto.

If you don't, it would just be like admitting you acknowledge there is no strategy, no patterns to spot, just luck and variance. Honestly, in that case I would be happy for you then. You would have come out from your delusion, learnt a big lesson and cashed in a huge profit in the process.

What do you say?

Smiley I do have a stetegy, but not the kind with gambler's fallacy. JD's game has an exploit, by which I could easily create large variation. I've talked about that before, but no body believes me. And then, I proved by actions, won again and again, reaped the whole profit, until I was beaten by Doog changing rules. Believe it or not, if I was not UNFAIRLY trapped, I might well win more.

However, most people here tend to believe they truly are masters of Mathematics, with biased wishful thinking. No one could have that LUCK, used 700 bankroll (the maximum down I had), up to at most 16000. That's not luck, that's only because JD has something wrong. I'm reluctant to elaborate what's the exploit. I have no obligation to do so.

(NOT as people imagined that I knew the seed. I don't know the seed. I'm even reluctant to change my client seed, only changed once in the last session, because my loss is too unusual. Doog once suspected I hacked into JD's server, but he understand no one can copy data from a harddrive and leave no trace.)


Are you saying that if max profit is restored to 1% you will be able to bankrupt the casino if you play long enough?

I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

BTW: I saw at least 3 dolphins got hunted today in JD.

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September 27, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
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Nakowa, let's put it this way:

As an investor, I'm the house. You won quite a lot of money from me and other investors. I watched you and I never thought you cheated, I'm 99.9% sure you are honest and playing in a fair way. I'm also 99.99999999% sure J-D is completely legit, and that you cannot beat the house edge if you play long enough. You can be lucky 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 times in a row, but not indefinitely.

Thus, I dare you to prove your strategy really works. If it really works you will be able to bankrupt the house. Its your money against mine, just play long enough until us or you go busto.

If you don't, it would just be like admitting you acknowledge there is no strategy, no patterns to spot, just luck and variance. Honestly, in that case I would be happy for you then. You would have come out from your delusion, learnt a big lesson and cashed in a huge profit in the process.

What do you say?

Smiley I do have a stetegy, but not the kind with gambler's fallacy. JD's game has an exploit, by which I could easily create large variation. I've talked about that before, but no body believes me. And then, I proved by actions, won again and again, reaped the whole profit, until I was beaten by Doog changing rules. Believe it or not, if I was not UNFAIRLY trapped, I might well win more.

However, most people here tend to believe they truly are masters of Mathematics, with biased wishful thinking. No one could have that LUCK, used 700 bankroll (the maximum down I had), up to at most 16000. That's not luck, that's only because JD has something wrong. I'm reluctant to elaborate what's the exploit. I have no obligation to do so.

(NOT as people imagined that I knew the seed. I don't know the seed. I'm even reluctant to change my client seed, only changed once in the last session, because my loss is too unusual. Doog once suspected I hacked into JD's server, but he understand no one can copy data from a harddrive and leave no trace.)


Are you saying that if max profit is restored to 1% you will be able to bankrupt the casino if you play long enough?

I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

BTW: I saw at least 3 dolphines got hunted today in JD.

Dolphins?  Huh

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September 27, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
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Dolphins?  Huh

This one for example: https://just-dice.com/roll/141480279
Lost a 90% change bet, -416.2381393 BTC.

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September 27, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
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Nakowa: just use a third party tool to check your rolls, they will completely match what you had during your last sessions - the site is PROVABLY FAIR, meaning that you can check for yourself that there was no cheating, and that's a fact. The lag, if it existed at all, had absolutely no effect on the dice numbers. This is non debatable, Dooglus already proved himself uploading a screenshot, you can check by yourself using a third party tool - end of the story.

If you think the problem here was the max profit %, no problem - in a while you will be able to prove to us how your strategy beats the house if the max profit is taken to 0.5%.


It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.
Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler.  You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.
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September 27, 2013, 05:56:43 PM
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Dolphins?  Huh

Dolphins < Whales

I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

BTW: I saw at least 3 dolphins got hunted today in JD.

So: what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

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September 27, 2013, 05:58:09 PM
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Dolphins?  Huh

This one for example: https://just-dice.com/roll/141480279
Lost a 90% change bet, -416.2381393 BTC.
Crazy bets like that are like picking up pennies in front of a steamroller.
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September 27, 2013, 06:01:00 PM
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Nakowa, you are a fraud.  Your baseless accusations against Dooglus are a complete fraud.

Dooglus will raise the max bet back to 0.50% which means it will be 200+ BTC at midnight UTC timezone tonight. This isn't for you, its for other players, so don't come back. Go play at SatoshiDice 1.9%. 

Nobody wants you to play at Justdice.com anymore. Have fun on letsdice or others.
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September 27, 2013, 06:01:47 PM
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Nakowa: just use a third party tool to check your rolls, they will completely match what you had during your last sessions - the site is PROVABLY FAIR, meaning that you can check for yourself that there was no cheating, and that's a fact. The lag, if it existed at all, had absolutely no effect on the dice numbers. This is non debatable, Dooglus already proved himself uploading a screenshot, you can check by yourself using a third party tool - end of the story.

If you think the problem here was the max profit %, no problem - in a while you will be able to prove to us how your strategy beats the house if the max profit is taken to 0.5%.


It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.
Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler.  You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

1. namecalling reveals that you IQ is in a very low level.
2. you pushed Doog, resulting him making irrational decision.
3. you must lost a lot because of me, THANK YOU!

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September 27, 2013, 06:03:32 PM
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Allover, hit the ignore button for integrity42. We all have, he's an idiot.

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September 27, 2013, 06:06:03 PM
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I think most investors and doog will absolutely not agree with you on this.


I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC.  You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC.  You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with.  But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence.  You are free to deposit more at any time, however.  

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of accepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.  

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?


How can we make other changes?  You may use any one of your alias accounts.  This part of the game is proveably fair.  

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September 27, 2013, 06:06:07 PM
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Allover, hit the ignore button for integrity42. We all have, he's an idiot.

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September 27, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
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Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler.  You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

Mechs, you amaze me. There is no "good" dice gambler, the dice is completely random. The dice is not black jack, poker or sports betting.

Nakowa, you did not answer my question:

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September 27, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
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Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler.  You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

Mechs, you amaze me. There is no "good" dice gambler, the dice is completely random. The dice is not black jack, poker or sports betting.

Nakowa, you did not answer my question:

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what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?
the fool has balls of steal and somehow accumulated a huge bankroll.  variance works in his favor since when he gets on a win streak with huge max profit, it causes a run in the bank.  My guess is it will happen again and soon.
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September 27, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
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Nobody will click the ignore button on my posts.   Because they agree Nakowa is a fraud. Nakowa stay away from justdice.com. Nobody cares about you playing there anymore.

Take your bitcoins and go somewhere else. Dooglus putting the profit back to 0.50%, and investors have already made back 5000BTC without you with low profit 0.25%.

SO investors want you to stay away. Go play at satoshidice for 1.9% edge.
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September 27, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
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I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC.  You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC.  You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with.  But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence.  You are free to deposit more at any time, however.  

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of excepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.  

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?


How can we make other changes?  You may use any one of your alias accounts.  This part of the game is proveably fair.  

I simply don't believe doog and the investors have the courage to do so. Futhermore, even if they are willing to do so, I'm sort of reluctant get involved, since Doog still failed to prove he didn't change anything other than max profit.

what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

Were you me, what would you do?

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September 27, 2013, 06:17:27 PM
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Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours... 

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud. 

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.
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September 27, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
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I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

If you don't tell me the real exploit, I can't fix it.

You have told me two different stories about how you win:

1) "the min and max are too far apart; that allows me to 'create variance'"

I fixed that by decreasing the gap between min and max.  For all players.

2) "WLWL is the most common sequence; exploit that 'fact'"

WLWL isn't the most common sequence, so there's nothing to fix.

Now you're telling me that the real exploit is neither of the two things you previously told me it was.

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September 27, 2013, 06:18:42 PM
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Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours... 

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud. 

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.

How much did you lose because of nakowa?
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September 27, 2013, 06:21:10 PM
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I think most investors and doog will absolutely not agree with you on this.


I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC.  You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC.  You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with.  But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence.  You are free to deposit more at any time, however.  

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of accepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.  

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?


How can we make other changes?  You may use any one of your alias accounts.  This part of the game is proveably fair.  

As a investor (albeit small) I'm all for this.
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