Bitcoin Forum
November 19, 2017, 07:36:31 AM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.15.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP).  (Read 12145 times)
dooglus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2338



View Profile
September 26, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
 #61

I doubt just-dice.com has changed something besides "Max Profit"

I think you mean you "suspect" that something other than max profit has changed.  When you say you doubt something has happened, it means you think it hasn't happened.  You're saying you think it HAS happened.  This seems like an important point to make, because it completely changes the sense of what you're saying.  If I understand you, you're saying you think I changed something, not that you think I didn't.

I changed nothing other than the max profit.  The site is provably fair, and so you can verify that for yourself.  The algorithm is public.  Here for instance: https://just-dice.com/lucky.txt it is in the actual code that the site uses.  It's explained in words on the 'Fair?' tab.

If you look at your first bet of your most recent session: https://just-dice.com/roll/140043787, you'll see the seeds that were used.  You changed the seeds after your last deposit of 1000 BTC - here's the first bet you made with the new seeds: https://just-dice.com/roll/140090376 - you'll see that the server seed for that is still a secret.  That's in case you want to keep playing with it.  If you don't, click 'randomize' and the server seed will then be revealed.  Its hash is already published, and it's ce226cf6fe1034f2e85ea16b968f5955914c679c6addb6952f4a32d8ef3bc3bc.  That has been published since before your first roll.

Once you click 'randomize', the /roll/ URL above will show the actual server seed.  You'll then be able to use one of the 3rd party roll verification tools, such as Mooshire's one here: http://bitcoinmaniac.com/justdice.html enter the server seed, client seed, number of rolls, etc. and it will list all your lucky numbers.  You can compare them with any records you kept of your play, or with this log of your play: http://privatepaste.com/143646bf35

The log lists every deposit, every bet, every lucky number, and shows the nonce (n:) for each bet, and when you switched seeds.

I know you guys will refute me with "That's just a negative variation, the same you had in the past, that lucky positive variation."

We don't have to.  The maths refutes you.  The site is provably fair for a reason.  It's so that you can't claim "something changed" and be taken seriously.  Nothing changed except that the max profit was temporarily reduced while I work on allowing investors to select their own risk level.

But if my doubt is true, I mean "ONLY IF", I'd warn players stay away from a casino that is designed specifically to kill whales and dolphins."

And now we get to the real point.  "JD is cheating.  Use LD".  Right?  Doesn't matter that it isn't true.  Just throw enough mud and hope some of it sticks.

I don't want to argue, I only want to show what I doubt. I have no concrete proof, but the game is entirely different.

I have concrete proof that nothing has changed.  That's why you have no proof that it has changed - because it hasn't.

The game is the same.  You're betting against a sequence of random numbers, thinking you see patterns in it, and thinking "something changed" when the patterns stop appearing.  The truth is there are no patterns, you see what you want to see.  Sometimes you see a bunch of WLWLWL and sometimes you don't.  Random is like that.  Yesterday I saw a cloud that looked like a donkey.

Below are some of my accounts (I forgot the other two winning accounts' password)

Why don't you show the losing ones too, like 118977 (gigad) and 119016 (alison)?  They both lost before this alleged "change".  Could it be that they don't support your story and so you conveniently ignore them?

But after Dooglus changed the rules, while I was playing as "percent", in the last half, I often confronted long streak of losses with large bets, only won long streak of wins with dust bets. Even though my "luck" is 100.85%, I lost very quickly. Today, my "luck" is dramatically, or distinctively low, which is 94.52%, and I lost almost within half a hour. I can only doubt something is going wrong here.

I didn't change anything that would cause you to have different streaks.  The *only* thing that changed was the max profit went from 1% of bankroll to 0.25% of bankroll.  It happened after you had busted.  Before you redeposited.

JD is alleged "provably fair", which I sincerely want to believe. However, I doubt something changed. Since I have no concrete proof, I hope dooglus can public his algorithm (which I highly doubt has changed, specifically for me, the only winning whale on JD), and data of my recent bets, or all bets. In this way, the community can verify Doog didn't do anything wrong, and he's still an upstanding guy, respected by the community.

More than allegedly, it actually is provably fair.  Anyone can verify your first 521 bets in http://privatepaste.com/143646bf35 because the server seed is already published.  If you click 'randomize' then everyone can also verify the last 599 bets in there.  I would encourage you to verify the rolls for yourself, because otherwise you'll suspect that "the community" is lying to you about it being legit, because they hate you, or for whatever reason.  I would also encourage everyone else to do the same.  I have nothing to hide.

Just-Dice                 ██             
          ██████████         
      ██████████████████     
  ██████████████████████████ 
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
    ██████████████████████   
        ██████████████       
            ██████           
   Play or Invest                 ██             
          ██████████         
      ██████████████████     
  ██████████████████████████ 
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
    ██████████████████████   
        ██████████████       
            ██████           
   1% House Edge
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
Join ICO Now A blockchain platform for effective freelancing
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
1511076991
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511076991

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511076991
Reply with quote  #2

1511076991
Report to moderator
Rampion
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1106


View Profile
September 26, 2013, 08:17:53 PM
 #62

Dooglus is honest.

Just Dice is provably fair.

There are no known flaws in sha256.

Nakowa: you are just a lucky player. If you really think you can beat the house edge in the long term, just prove your point by playing until you or the Casino go busto. I guess doog could at least raise max profit to 0.5% and commit to not changing the rules while you are playing, we would enjoy the show.

dooglus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2338



View Profile
September 26, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
 #63

Dooglus is honest.

Just Dice is provably fair.

There are no known flaws in sha256.

Nakowa: you are just a lucky player. If you really think you can beat the house edge in the long term, just prove your point by playing until you or the Casino go busto. I guess doog could at least raise max profit to 0.5% and commit to not changing the rules while you are playing, we would enjoy the show.

I don't know whether this is useful or not, but I ran Mooshire's verification tool on the first set of rolls in nakowa's most recent session.  The rolls it predicts exactly match up with the actual rolls from my logs.  (Of course...)



If I'm cheating then of course I could have faked that screenshot.  That's why you have to run Mooshire's tool for yourself to check it.

Just-Dice                 ██             
          ██████████         
      ██████████████████     
  ██████████████████████████ 
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
    ██████████████████████   
        ██████████████       
            ██████           
   Play or Invest                 ██             
          ██████████         
      ██████████████████     
  ██████████████████████████ 
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
    ██████████████████████   
        ██████████████       
            ██████           
   1% House Edge
opusdigitus
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 125


View Profile
September 26, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
 #64

I know if the profit was pushed back to positive by my loss, I'd become a joke, which I don't like to be. Smiley

You're already a joke because you always say you're leaving, and then you keep coming back to lose more. 

You're like a battered woman who can't stop coming back to your abuser.  But please do!  We'd love to get more coins back from you.
integrity42
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 224


View Profile
September 26, 2013, 09:25:07 PM
 #65

No.

DON'T come back to just-dice.   We don't want your wins or your losses anymore.

GO play at satoshidice.com 1.9% edge with 500BTC bets.

Have fun.
marcotheminer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232



View Profile
September 26, 2013, 11:32:35 PM
 #66

Nakowa, do you think you could spare me a bit of BTC? hahah I know you wont but its worth a try!

14yR2iK2XhbMr6aqaCRzFARem92WuLsZsL    (If you wish Cheesy Youd make my day 10x over)
Hfleer
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 448


Changing avatars is currently not possible.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
 #67

There's still other casino's with 1% edge also.  I'm not sure what their max bet is though.

█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
▓▓▓▓▓  BIT-X.comvvvvvvvvvvvvvvi
→ CREATE ACCOUNT 
▓▓▓▓▓
█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 01:37:46 AM
 #68

JD is alleged "provably fair", which I sincerely want to believe. However, I doubt something changed. Since I have no concrete proof, I hope dooglus can public his algorithm (which I highly doubt has changed, specifically for me, the only winning whale on JD), and data of my recent bets, or all bets. In this way, the community can verify Doog didn't do anything wrong, and he's still an upstanding guy, respected by the community.

More than allegedly, it actually is provably fair.  Anyone can verify your first 521 bets in http://privatepaste.com/143646bf35 because the server seed is already published.  If you click 'randomize' then everyone can also verify the last 599 bets in there.  I would encourage you to verify the rolls for yourself, because otherwise you'll suspect that "the community" is lying to you about it being legit, because they hate you, or for whatever reason.  I would also encourage everyone else to do the same.  I have nothing to hide.

OK. Doog, did you read this post? (I know you must have read; and if so, you know your answer above is completely irrelevant to refute my doubt)

Provably fair and how it can be exploited by casino owners against you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283547.0

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

I fully understand how "provable fair" works, and that's why I played on JD with that large amount of coins. I'll keep the rest 11K, and never play on JD again. Because I cannot trust the game anymore.

NOTE: Because I CANNOT prove YOU changed anything, though I suspect, I will not call you a cheater. That's the difference between me and you (and your fans who call me a fraud, a scam, even a thief).

http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
mises
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350


_ The Legend _


View Profile WWW
September 27, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
 #69

Quite amazing how you wagered so much BTC just in order to law-of-large-numbers estimate the house edge on your bets.
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 01:49:07 AM
 #70

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud.   I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

I read all your replies here, and read all your posts in the forum, the conclusion? You ARE completely RETARDED.

You know what? I can call you a fraud, since you always allege, never provide proof.

Now, allow me refute you: The investors money is in the address that everyone can check: http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 01:59:26 AM
 #71

And now we get to the real point.  "JD is cheating.  Use LD".  Right?  Doesn't matter that it isn't true.  Just throw enough mud and hope some of it sticks.

Again, you are UNFAIR. Again and again, though I've been trying ultimately reasonable to you.

From "JD is cheating", the concrete conclusion should be "Don't expect win big from JD anymore", among others like "Use LD, PD, ID, SD..." There're numerous dice games out there!

And the dice game would not be the only game bitcoin users enjoy. More nicely designed games are coming.


http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
Cluster2k
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1564


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 02:38:12 AM
 #72

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

What is a dust bet?  Everyone knows (or should know) that each roll of the 'dice' is independent of the next.  Just because you've had 10 small bets in a row that lost doesn't mean the next large bet wins.  If dust betting is also meant to consume the 'bad' rolls so you can use the 'good' ones then it's the very definition of the gambler's fallacy.

Regarding small bets being resolved instantly but large bets taking a second or two, I've had situations where betting 0.0001 btc also lagged.  Sometimes the lag stretched out to 5 seconds.  Very loose correlation is not evidence of causation.

Without real evidence that JD has done something wrong apart from 'I feel', 'it appears' and 'it's strange that' kind of evidence it looks like you're not getting anywhere.  Even if you create a new account and bet proportionally much smaller amounts on JD and consistently win that of course is not evidence that JD cheated you before.  You need real evidence.

Do not send bitcoins to me: 16b8s7pBJ9rUmsExNW25qD5VUqVqRPZuXu
100% solar powered bitcoin generation
mechs
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210



View Profile
September 27, 2013, 02:41:29 AM
 #73

There's still other casino's with 1% edge also.  I'm not sure what their max bet is though.
20 BTC is the max of the other 1%ers
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 03:54:53 AM
 #74

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

What is a dust bet?  Everyone knows (or should know) that each roll of the 'dice' is independent of the next.  Just because you've had 10 small bets in a row that lost doesn't mean the next large bet wins.  If dust betting is also meant to consume the 'bad' rolls so you can use the 'good' ones then it's the very definition of the gambler's fallacy.

Regarding small bets being resolved instantly but large bets taking a second or two, I've had situations where betting 0.0001 btc also lagged.  Sometimes the lag stretched out to 5 seconds.  Very loose correlation is not evidence of causation.

Without real evidence that JD has done something wrong apart from 'I feel', 'it appears' and 'it's strange that' kind of evidence it looks like you're not getting anywhere.  Even if you create a new account and bet proportionally much smaller amounts on JD and consistently win that of course is not evidence that JD cheated you before.  You need real evidence.

Can't you see in this situation, I, as a user, cannot have any concrete proof?

But Dooglus really need to explain why that "lagging" happened.

http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
Cluster2k
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1564


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:01:57 AM
 #75

Can't you see in this situation, I, as a user, cannot have any concrete proof?

I think that's perfectly clear.  I'm glad you agree.

But Dooglus really need to explain why that "lagging" happened.

If you bet 10 times in a row and lost with no lag you would be blaming the site operator for setting a "lose" flag on your account.  If there was lag you would accuse the operator of sitting there and clicking red when your bets came up.  Meh.

Use your previous winning strategy and take revenge on the site.  Crush the investors, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

Do not send bitcoins to me: 16b8s7pBJ9rUmsExNW25qD5VUqVqRPZuXu
100% solar powered bitcoin generation
drawingthesun
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1078


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:12:40 AM
 #76

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud.   I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

deadgiveaway
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182



View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:45:01 AM
 #77

you have to know when to quit. you were up 12k btc. if that isn't enough, well..
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:48:47 AM
 #78

you have to know when to quit. you were up 12k btc. if that isn't enough, well..
It's enough, I agree.

http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
drawingthesun
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1078


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:50:57 AM
 #79

Hey Nak, what happened to that 1000 bitcoin from the lets-dice wallet?
allover
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98

In mathematics we believe.


View Profile
September 27, 2013, 05:53:04 AM
 #80

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud.   I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

The receiving address belongs to https://letsdice.com too.
http://blockchain.info/address/1LDBankfbBAqMBBX65xgxgKQqgeuR2DD6U

It's for the online hot wallet.

http://letsdice.com | True dice game, Jackpot accumulated, Huge referral rewards!
Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!