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September 27, 2013, 05:54:34 AM
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Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud.   I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

The receiving address belongs to https://letsdice.com too.
http://blockchain.info/address/1LDBankfbBAqMBBX65xgxgKQqgeuR2DD6U

It's for the online hot wallet.

Ah thanks. So lets-dice is down 170 bitcoin at the moment? Variance?
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September 27, 2013, 06:03:44 AM
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Use your previous winning strategy and take revenge on the site.  Crush the investors, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

1. Are you an investor of JD? If so, I'm sorry.
2. As of your description on "Crush the investors, see them..." I already did, over and over. Once interesting, now boring.
3. I was beaten by changed rules, public and hidden. (within two sessions, gave back 5k winnings.)
4. I got 12k "free" coins, which I think is pretty enough, considering the cost of these coins is ZERO.
5. Out of that 12K, I spend 6k on IPO shares of letsdice.com; the dividend I've been receiving daily is pretty decent. Smiley
6. I'm using the rest for ongoing projects, and more nicely designed games are coming.

What makes you think I will lose after all?

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September 27, 2013, 06:10:49 AM
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Ah thanks. So lets-dice is down 170 bitcoin at the moment? Variance?

YES.

However, WE DON'T CHANGE RULES BECAUSE PLAYERS WIN, right?

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September 27, 2013, 06:19:24 AM
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UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

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September 27, 2013, 06:36:31 AM
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UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

Max profit will be taken to 0.5% in a few hours, will you be able to win the house edge or you just run out of luck?

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September 27, 2013, 06:41:52 AM
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UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

Max profit will be taken to 0.5% in a few hours, will you be able to win the house edge or you just run out of luck?

I'll not play on a casino that changes rules while players are winning. Period.

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September 27, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
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UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

Max profit will be taken to 0.5% in a few hours, will you be able to win the house edge or you just run out of luck?

I'll not play on a casino that changes rules while players are winning. Period.

Changing the rules while you were playing was not cool, I guess it was a decision taken in the heat of the moment, probably because of the pressure of a few investors scared to death of variance... Anyhow you already got an apology.... And isn't 0.5% max profit good enough to use your "strategy"?

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September 27, 2013, 06:58:12 AM
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rumor has it that you DDOSed JD, is that playing by rule? or how about that 1300 free chips bitch move drama, or the swallowing of your own words not coming back to JD. Not that I care but Doog may owe one apology to you, while you owe at least 3 apologies to him.
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September 27, 2013, 07:09:21 AM
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rumor has it that you DDOSed JD, is that playing by rule? or how about that 1300 free chips bitch move drama, or the swallowing of your own words not coming back to JD. Not that I care but Doog may owe one apology to you, while you owe at least 3 apologies to him.

1. DDos is nothing to do with me.
2. about 1300 event, I explained clearly.
3. Coming back to JD, is always to prove something. Now, nothing to prove.
4. What should I apology? None of the above three.

If you're trying to discuss with me, please try hard to be more rational. Learn the logic, please. Otherwise, you're not eligible to do so.


PS: Once, while I was playing, JD got ddos attack, and I pressed three times H while didn't know what happened. Result? I l got three -200! Any ddos attack would cost no more than $25,000, I think.

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September 27, 2013, 07:10:26 AM
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JD is alleged "provably fair", which I sincerely want to believe. However, I doubt something changed. Since I have no concrete proof, I hope dooglus can public his algorithm (which I highly doubt has changed, specifically for me, the only winning whale on JD), and data of my recent bets, or all bets. In this way, the community can verify Doog didn't do anything wrong, and he's still an upstanding guy, respected by the community.

More than allegedly, it actually is provably fair.  Anyone can verify your first 521 bets in http://privatepaste.com/143646bf35 because the server seed is already published.  If you click 'randomize' then everyone can also verify the last 599 bets in there.  I would encourage you to verify the rolls for yourself, because otherwise you'll suspect that "the community" is lying to you about it being legit, because they hate you, or for whatever reason.  I would also encourage everyone else to do the same.  I have nothing to hide.

OK. Doog, did you read this post? (I know you must have read; and if so, you know your answer above is completely irrelevant to refute my doubt)

If I failed to address any of your points to your satisfaction, please let me know which one(s) and I will try again.  The site is provably fair.  That means I can prove it is fair.  This is, you cannot reasonably claim that it cheated you.  You may be suspicious, but if you look into how the site works, you can allay your own fears.  If, on the other hand, you want to spread FUD about the site, you can do that too.

Provably fair and how it can be exploited by casino owners against you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283547.0

I'm very familiar with that post, yes.  I don't think any of it applies in this case.  We don't use HTML partials.  We don't change seeds unless the player requests it, etc.  If you feel any of it does apply, please tell me which part and I will address it.

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

As you are aware, Just-Dice is under DDoS attack.  The attack is constantly ongoing.  I am doing my best to address the problem and trying to keep the site up.  The site isn't as fast as it once was, but at least it still works.  At times, the site gets laggy.  Any correlation between slow bets and losing bets is certainly coincidental.  The site code doesn't care whether the site wins or loses a bet.  It just crunches the numbers according to the published algorithm, using the seeds, and updates your balance accordingly.  Deliberately pausing before displaying a losing bet wouldn't benefit the site in any way.  I've seen some people suggest that the pauses on other sites are caused by the site "brute forcing sha256".  This is plainly ridiculous.  Brute forcing sha256 takes millions of years, not a few seconds.  If you have specific suggestions of how the site may be cheating you, please tell me so I can refute them.  Saying "it's laggy so it's cheating" isn't good enough.  It's laggy because somebody is attacking the site.

I fully understand how "provable fair" works, and that's why I played on JD with that large amount of coins. I'll keep the rest 11K, and never play on JD again. Because I cannot trust the game anymore.

In that case you understand that there's no time element in the lucky number selection.  All your rolls are effectively predetermined as soon as your server and client seeds are selected.  You are able to verify the results for yourself once you finish playing.  If you are able to find any way in which the site would be able to cheat you, please do let me know, because I want to eliminate any possibility of the site cheating.  I believe I have already done so, but apparently not to your satisfaction.

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September 27, 2013, 07:17:13 AM
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As you are aware, Just-Dice is under DDoS attack.  The attack is constantly ongoing.

Nice try Doog, but why it's always lagging more often when bigger bets lost?

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September 27, 2013, 07:20:40 AM
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you said it yourself the site is provably fair thats all there is to it
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September 27, 2013, 08:19:25 AM
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Nakowa, it looks to me like you are trying to find any excuse to justify not playing again without losing face because you are afraid to lose, proving you are not so special and your strategy was being lucky.
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September 27, 2013, 08:26:44 AM
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As you are aware, Just-Dice is under DDoS attack.  The attack is constantly ongoing.

Nice try Doog, but why it's always lagging more often when bigger bets lost?

Quite simply, it isn't.  You're imagining it.  Or if it is, it's a coincidence.  Random chance.

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September 27, 2013, 08:28:32 AM
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Nakowa, it looks to me like you are trying to find any excuse to justify not playing again without losing face because you are afraid to lose, proving you are not so special and your strategy was being lucky.

It was a particularly weak response to my post wasn't it?  He picked one line out of a long post and almost sort of addressed it.  Ignoring all the more interesting points that he couldn't answer.

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September 27, 2013, 08:34:10 AM
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Nakowa, it looks to me like you are trying to find any excuse to justify not playing again without losing face because you are afraid to lose, proving you are not so special and your strategy was being lucky.

It was a particularly weak response to my post wasn't it?  He picked one line out of a long post and almost sort of addressed it.  Ignoring all the more interesting points that he couldn't answer.

if he found a "pattern" which is working all the time he should be able to repeat it by request everytime as long it is requested. that's than proof enough for everyone.

really there is no pattern! patterns work only a time in the mind of the gambler as long the pattern and the luck stays combined during a unspecified timeframe. patterns are hocus-pocus!

EDIT: by the way he is always do promotion (not for JD) so stop argue with him to avoid more promotion.
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September 27, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
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To be honest this entire conversation is very complicated for what is actually a simple matter.

1 - Nakowa kept getting lucky and was down thousands of bitcoin many times but had enough bitcoin to always come back.

2 - The entire thing about WL pattern is mathematically false. If you were to map out distributions we will find that if house edge was 0% WLWL should occur the same as LLLL or WWWW.

3 - We reduced the max bet to reduce variance. Now Nakowa has to make more bets to equal same amount wagered. This will prolong the time he needs to make the same profit. This is good for investors because the more he plays the more chance of ruin.

4 - Even if Nakowa never plays again and does not give back the coins he won, the house profit will just increase over time like it has always done outside of Nakowa's bets.

5 - Remember Nakowa accounts for half the house wagered or close to it. This accounts for Nakowa being dominant when it comes to house profit.

6 - If there were 100 Nakowa whales playing everyday we would see house profit move upwards.

7 - If Nakowa is correct and his pattern system is the winning system, then even max bet at 0.25% he should still be able to win.
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2 - The entire thing about WL pattern is mathematically false. If you were to map out distributions we will find that if house edge was 0% WLWL should occur the same as LLLL or WWWW.

in a specific timeframe you will get more LWLW than LWLL but than it changes to less LWLW and more LWLL. and so on. Nakowa got a lucky time where LWLW worked for him. but he is not able to repeat it.

EDIT: the kind of pattern is not important. it is a wager of a certain pattern (e.g. LWLW, LWLLW, LWWWW) and it will work for a certain time but not always. you cannot determine if a pattern is more lucky than other patterns but the gambler tries to identify a certain pattern during a time frame of observation. then in his mind he knows for sure this specific pattern occurs more than other patterns. the bold "W" is the sign for the higher bet (amount of money) to result a positive return. you can work also with a combination of patterns at the same time combined with your intuition and your feeling of being the master over the system is much stronger. ;-)

EDIT2: the argumentation of Nakowa is crystal clear: he complain about the decrease of the max bet because a pattern works only for a short time. during this time he needs a high max bet to get a large positive result. maybe he is very good in identification of certain patterns.

EDIT3: a fast reaction of the site is also required to work with patterns. a gambler with this skills needs an immediate feedback for the acknowledge of patterns. everything which is boring to the gambler must be avoided. SD is a good example how not to design it for gamblers.
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September 27, 2013, 09:39:14 AM
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Nakowa, it looks to me like you are trying to find any excuse to justify not playing again without losing face because you are afraid to lose, proving you are not so special and your strategy was being lucky.

It was a particularly weak response to my post wasn't it?  He picked one line out of a long post and almost sort of addressed it.  Ignoring all the more interesting points that he couldn't answer.

It's the very single important question. Your site recently acts normal when players win (small), but lags when players lose (large), what's happening? DDos itself cannot explain this, or, DDos attacks are helping you (which is very unlikely)?

As of "trying to find any excuse... without losing face...", I'm curious, I'm up 10K+, how can I lose face because of winning?
If you mean in the last two session, I lost, I could understand you. But I'm questioning here, what Doog has changed? 1) changed rules without warning players = confirmed; (UNFAIR!) 2) changed rules specifically for me = confirmed; (UNFAIR again!) 3) more importantly besides previous two, nothing else changed?


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September 27, 2013, 09:46:33 AM
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nothing was changed except the max bet size. have faith in your skills and repeat your show again, please. but i can understand that you need high amounts to get the kick you need for your attention to be aware of patterns if they occur. I'm not joking. I can understand you. but again he did not changed some important in this short time at a live hot system.
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