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September 27, 2013, 10:21:10 PM
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Someone showed the probability was a little over 2%. That's 1 in 50. Improbable things do happen. The happen quite frequently, it's called the law of large numbers Smiley
 

Here's his winning and associated probability cloud up to near the point where the max bet % was changed.  [sorry if you seen this a few times already].  Bugpowder produced something similar too.


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September 27, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
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why don you give out some large freebie to advertise your letsdice? since you said you won so much .

I think I should not play on the site I invested. And believe it or not, I'm not a gambler, which is hard to explain, though.

LOL. not a gambler..
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September 27, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
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why don you give out some large freebie to advertise your letsdice? since you said you won so much .

I think I should not play on the site I invested. And believe it or not, I'm not a gambler, which is hard to explain, though.

LOL. not a gambler..

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September 27, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
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In order to be winner you've got to quit a winner, Nakowa this is your big chance to walk away for awhile as a winner.

Peter R thanks for posting that graphic, it tells the story quite well.

Regarding Let's Dice when I go to register it requires that I either have an invite link/code or the system will assign me a sponsor, so yes, from a new user perspective you are forced to be in a multilevel marketing set up - I don't know what your developers told you.  I wish you luck all the same.
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September 27, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
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The new 0.5% max bet starts in a few minutes.

I hope you come back Grin

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September 28, 2013, 12:37:46 AM
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On the other hand: He should be reluctant to elaborate on the exploit since he's part of a competing business and that favors him, but that fact also makes you wonder why he still isn't playing. Reducing the max bet doesn't change strategy or eliminate the exploit ... it just causes it to take more time to bleed the house dry. Regardless if your mad the rules were changed, most people would still be playing if they could basically print money.

I think the reason he's stopped playing is because his luck ran out and he has realised he had nothing more than luck on his side.

All this FUD about the site being unfair is just that - FUD.  His goal is clearly to discredit Just-Dice with a view to gaining traffic at his own pyramid scheme dice site.

If he has a strategy that works when the max bet is 300 BTC then it will also work when the max bet is 75 BTC.  You just bet a quarter as much on every bet.  Nothing else changed.  But he doesn't have a working strategy, he has superstition, too many coins, and a disregard for their worth.

So he says he has an exploit that is different than the previous two he told me were "the exploit".  So is he lying this time, or was he lying the previous two times?  (That's not an exclusive 'or').

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September 28, 2013, 12:51:55 AM
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On the other hand: He should be reluctant to elaborate on the exploit since he's part of a competing business and that favors him, but that fact also makes you wonder why he still isn't playing. Reducing the max bet doesn't change strategy or eliminate the exploit ... it just causes it to take more time to bleed the house dry. Regardless if your mad the rules were changed, most people would still be playing if they could basically print money.

I think the reason he's stopped playing is because his luck ran out and he has realised he had nothing more than luck on his side.

All this FUD about the site being unfair is just that - FUD.  His goal is clearly to discredit Just-Dice with a view to gaining traffic at his own pyramid scheme dice site.

If he has a strategy that works when the max bet is 300 BTC then it will also work when the max bet is 75 BTC.  You just bet a quarter as much on every bet.  Nothing else changed.  But he doesn't have a working strategy, he has superstition, too many coins, and a disregard for their worth.

So he says he has an exploit that is different than the previous two he told me were "the exploit".  So is he lying this time, or was he lying the previous two times?  (That's not an exclusive 'or').

I'm not sure what the dynamics here are but I'm pretty sure this is not how most casino operators talk to their whales. Not that this means it's bad.

I'm wondering though if you want him to continue playing? Or would you still rather not have his business considering the stress it brings?
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September 28, 2013, 01:19:32 AM
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On the other hand: He should be reluctant to elaborate on the exploit since he's part of a competing business and that favors him, but that fact also makes you wonder why he still isn't playing. Reducing the max bet doesn't change strategy or eliminate the exploit ... it just causes it to take more time to bleed the house dry. Regardless if your mad the rules were changed, most people would still be playing if they could basically print money.

I think the reason he's stopped playing is because his luck ran out and he has realised he had nothing more than luck on his side.

All this FUD about the site being unfair is just that - FUD.  His goal is clearly to discredit Just-Dice with a view to gaining traffic at his own pyramid scheme dice site.

If he has a strategy that works when the max bet is 300 BTC then it will also work when the max bet is 75 BTC.  You just bet a quarter as much on every bet.  Nothing else changed.  But he doesn't have a working strategy, he has superstition, too many coins, and a disregard for their worth.

So he says he has an exploit that is different than the previous two he told me were "the exploit".  So is he lying this time, or was he lying the previous two times?  (That's not an exclusive 'or').

Yeah, I don't understand people's argument that the site isn't fair. Out of all of the BTC gambling sites, you seem to be the most open and honest and communicate with your "customers" both here and on your site. The wonderment I have is that "... nothing more than luck [was] on his side." That may be true, and he might be the only one who ever knows unless you or someone else finds an exploit, but it was an awful lot of luck for one person. I just hope the majority of people aren't jumping to "luck" because they don't like him.
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September 28, 2013, 01:33:51 AM
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On the other hand: He should be reluctant to elaborate on the exploit since he's part of a competing business and that favors him, but that fact also makes you wonder why he still isn't playing. Reducing the max bet doesn't change strategy or eliminate the exploit ... it just causes it to take more time to bleed the house dry. Regardless if your mad the rules were changed, most people would still be playing if they could basically print money.

I think the reason he's stopped playing is because his luck ran out and he has realised he had nothing more than luck on his side.

All this FUD about the site being unfair is just that - FUD.  His goal is clearly to discredit Just-Dice with a view to gaining traffic at his own pyramid scheme dice site.

If he has a strategy that works when the max bet is 300 BTC then it will also work when the max bet is 75 BTC.  You just bet a quarter as much on every bet.  Nothing else changed.  But he doesn't have a working strategy, he has superstition, too many coins, and a disregard for their worth.

So he says he has an exploit that is different than the previous two he told me were "the exploit".  So is he lying this time, or was he lying the previous two times?  (That's not an exclusive 'or').

I'm not sure what the dynamics here are but I'm pretty sure this is not how most casino operators talk to their whales. Not that this means it's bad.

I'm wondering though if you want him to continue playing? Or would you still rather not have his business considering the stress it brings?
I think Dooglus is right.  This guy spreads lies and tries to discredit J-D and Dooglus.  Dooglus is a man of honor while Nakowa is a crieton.  I do not know if he has a actual system that works better than hitting random bets. I do know he is dangerous due to his bankroll and his success at breaking the bank is due to psychology.  Negative variance for bankroll causes divestments, which causes few investors to shoulder more variance, causes more variance and so forth.

You have to admit, the psychology is opposite of what it should be.  People divested on the way down and only re-invested after significant profits on the way partially back up. Really, if any strategy, you should invest on a large variance swing down and divest on a large variance swing up.

RS: I do not think anything said here has any effect on whether or not Nakowa plays at the site.  He is either a compulsive delusional gambler or a man with a system. Either way, he will return to J-D since Dooglus pays out and offers the fairest odds and largest max profits per bet.  That is at least until something better comes along.
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September 28, 2013, 01:52:47 AM
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On the other hand: He should be reluctant to elaborate on the exploit since he's part of a competing business and that favors him, but that fact also makes you wonder why he still isn't playing. Reducing the max bet doesn't change strategy or eliminate the exploit ... it just causes it to take more time to bleed the house dry. Regardless if your mad the rules were changed, most people would still be playing if they could basically print money.

I think the reason he's stopped playing is because his luck ran out and he has realised he had nothing more than luck on his side.

All this FUD about the site being unfair is just that - FUD.  His goal is clearly to discredit Just-Dice with a view to gaining traffic at his own pyramid scheme dice site.

If he has a strategy that works when the max bet is 300 BTC then it will also work when the max bet is 75 BTC.  You just bet a quarter as much on every bet.  Nothing else changed.  But he doesn't have a working strategy, he has superstition, too many coins, and a disregard for their worth.

So he says he has an exploit that is different than the previous two he told me were "the exploit".  So is he lying this time, or was he lying the previous two times?  (That's not an exclusive 'or').


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It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.

You didn't answer anything about this. YES, once again, you ignore the real question.

And Yes, it's FUD.

NOT telling you the truth about exploit is not lying. You're an OP of gambling site, you should study it by youself, if you could.

Again, out of nothing, you call me lier; when I put the site profit to -5k, you called me a cheater when you knew I played by rules. As of the exploit, I repeat again, you didn't fixed, although it'd be quite simple, you just cannot figure it out.

You only fixed me, most likely by ignoring some results of big winning bets. The result? After you fixed me, the system subsquently fixed other three dolphins within 24 hours, the site's income roared, 1000 BTC in a day. How long did JD take to recover from -2000 to 0 in the July? You experienced that: several weeks.

Even some of your investors know you're being UNFAIR to me, don't deny it.

Doog, let's do not make up reality, the change was made to protect the bankroll from the swings caused precisely by Nakowa and ONLY by Nakowa, for the simple reason he is the only one pushing max profit.

You know this post is not about the strategy (which you're so curious), it's even not about luck. This post is about you being UNFAIR.

You're distracting, please answer the real question. Or (not an exclusive or), it just doesn't matter, players on JD should have FUD.

I've been patient along all conversations with you, and never did a single name calling. You and your supporters (I've never seen in anywhere that so many underdeveloped people gathered around other than JD chatroom, OH, among endlessly coming beggars.) constantly called me numerous times, cheater, thief, scammer, and with no proof, just with hatred. I'm tired of this.

You never know when you did something wrong, how to correctly apologize. After you left 1300 digit in my balance, when shit happened (YES, someone else lost that figure, NOW YOU KNOW WITHOUT FIXATION SPECIFICALLY TO ME, I MIGHT WELL WIN A LOT WITH THAT 1300), you never made an appropirate apology to the investors. Instead, you were enjoy people screwing me in public. And after many times you being UNFAIR to me, you never say a single "sorry" to me.

I have no further incentive to discuss with you. After all, you build your reputation in the community through a very long time, and in normal situations, you're upstanding, honest, but when tremendous pressures coming, you just cannot do things by principles.

It's not me who is discrediting Just-Dice, it's you, YOU ARE.

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Dooglus: no, I didn't. I acted without thinking it through, and too quickly.

Think it through, Doog, you're supposed to be a nice guy. I think the conversation is OVER.


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September 28, 2013, 02:17:54 AM
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Again, out of nothing, you call me lier; when I put the site profit to -5k, you called me a cheater when you knew I played by rules. As of the exploiot, I repeat again, you didn't fixed, although it'd be quite simple, you just cannot figure it out.

You only fixed me, most likely by ignoring some results of big winning bets. The result? After you fixed me, the system subsquently fixed other three dolphins within 24 hours, the site's income roared, 1000 BTC in a day. How long did JD take to recover from -2000 to 0 in the July? You experienced that: several weeks.

Here is the summary as I take it: you found an exploit, used it, ran up a big profit, exploit is still there but dooglus sabotages your bets.

So wouldn't it be logical to create dozens, if not hundreds of new accounts, keep using the system and bankrupt the site?  Dooglus can't know all those accounts are yours.  Smaller bets just mean you bankrupt the site at a slower pace, but if you use many accounts you'll achieve your desired goal.  Use TOR if you need dozens of different IP addresses to achieve your desired outcome.  You'll be very wealthy and get your revenge on JD.  What could be better?

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It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.

You didn't answer anything about this. YES, once again, you ignore the real question.

Lag doesn't affect the results.  The rolls are all fixed the instant you pick your client seed.  I'm not ignoring anything.  Maybe you haven't made yourself clear.  And if the site was to "ignore" a bet due to the DDoS attack that is ongoing, you could just try placing it again.  The result would be the same.

And Yes, it's FUD.

At least you admit it.

You're distracting, please answer the real question. Or (not an exclusive or), it just doesn't matter, players on JD should have FUD.

It's often hard to understand what you're trying to say.  What is the real question?

Think it through, Doog, you're supposed to be a nice guy. I think the conversation is OVER.

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Max bet is 200 bitcoin, easily high enough for nakowa to give the site a run for its money? Unless he actually thinks its rigged now...
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September 28, 2013, 03:46:21 AM
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Again, out of nothing, you call me lier; when I put the site profit to -5k, you called me a cheater when you knew I played by rules. As of the exploiot, I repeat again, you didn't fixed, although it'd be quite simple, you just cannot figure it out.

You only fixed me, most likely by ignoring some results of big winning bets. The result? After you fixed me, the system subsquently fixed other three dolphins within 24 hours, the site's income roared, 1000 BTC in a day. How long did JD take to recover from -2000 to 0 in the July? You experienced that: several weeks.

Here is the summary as I take it: you found an exploit, used it, ran up a big profit, exploit is still there but dooglus sabotages your bets.

So wouldn't it be logical to create dozens, if not hundreds of new accounts, keep using the system and bankrupt the site?  Dooglus can't know all those accounts are yours.  Smaller bets just mean you bankrupt the site at a slower pace, but if you use many accounts you'll achieve your desired goal.  Use TOR if you need dozens of different IP addresses to achieve your desired outcome.  You'll be very wealthy and get your revenge on JD.  What could be better?


1. Creating dozens of accounts won't help me, and I've already done that. You just missed the point.
2. I AM WEALTHY, before I won 11k from JD.
3. There's no REVENGE. I don't hate Doog or JD. I'm still considering whether I should invest JD, since JD now is a very effective whale-hunter.

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September 28, 2013, 03:50:26 AM
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Again, out of nothing, you call me lier; when I put the site profit to -5k, you called me a cheater when you knew I played by rules. As of the exploiot, I repeat again, you didn't fixed, although it'd be quite simple, you just cannot figure it out.

You only fixed me, most likely by ignoring some results of big winning bets. The result? After you fixed me, the system subsquently fixed other three dolphins within 24 hours, the site's income roared, 1000 BTC in a day. How long did JD take to recover from -2000 to 0 in the July? You experienced that: several weeks.

Here is the summary as I take it: you found an exploit, used it, ran up a big profit, exploit is still there but dooglus sabotages your bets.

So wouldn't it be logical to create dozens, if not hundreds of new accounts, keep using the system and bankrupt the site?  Dooglus can't know all those accounts are yours.  Smaller bets just mean you bankrupt the site at a slower pace, but if you use many accounts you'll achieve your desired goal.  Use TOR if you need dozens of different IP addresses to achieve your desired outcome.  You'll be very wealthy and get your revenge on JD.  What could be better?


1. Creating dozens of accounts won't help me, and I've already done that. You just missed the point.
2. I AM WEALTHY, before I won 11k from JD.
3. There's no REVENGE. I don't hate Doog or JD. I'm still considering whether I should invest JD, since JD now is a very effective whale-hunter.

Nothing you say make sense.  You seem liked a bored guy with a lot of coins and in need of some attention.
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September 28, 2013, 03:56:30 AM
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Nothing you say make sense.  You seem liked a bored guy with a lot of coins and in need of some attention.

This. An early adopter is now rich and had some good luck winning bitcoins. Now he wants to be the center of attention.

To be honest this discussion is getting tired. Nakowa, the max bet is now 200 bitcoin, apart from that the site is the same as it was. Go bet some bitcoins.
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September 28, 2013, 04:04:47 AM
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Max bet is 200 bitcoin, easily high enough for nakowa to give the site a run for its money? Unless he actually thinks its rigged now...

YES, I have to think so now.

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September 28, 2013, 04:25:44 AM
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Max bet is 200 bitcoin, easily high enough for nakowa to give the site a run for its money? Unless he actually thinks its rigged now...

YES, I have to think so now.
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September 28, 2013, 06:08:37 AM
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Max bet is 200 bitcoin, easily high enough for nakowa to give the site a run for its money? Unless he actually thinks its rigged now...

YES, I have to think so now.
You have succeeded in becoming tiresome
I think he is just after the attention :-)
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1. Creating dozens of accounts won't help me, and I've already done that. You just missed the point.
2. I AM WEALTHY, before I won 11k from JD.
3. There's no REVENGE. I don't hate Doog or JD. I'm still considering whether I should invest JD, since JD now is a very effective whale-hunter.


The site is back like you were never there. Already positive profit, and 200+BTC max profit.

Everybody trusts dooglus, so nobody is paying attention to your fraud accusations about him.

Maybe you should admit you are wrong and apologize?
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