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[NxtChg]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

And they all just listen and come at once... We need Jesus for that.

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[utopianfuture]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free.

[Damelon]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

The Wiki and http://www.nxtcrypto.org/ (site, not forum) are your best sources atm.

For the rest, everything is a bit all over the place atm.

[ferment]

Ops, but now "-" looks like a stop sign! It's actually much worse!

removed the circles.

[utopianfuture]

This is exactly the road leading to the cult of a great leader, totalitarianism and fascism but you don't even realize it.

Discuss things without any harm — road to totalitarism? Well, IDK.

Discussing is not but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is.

[starik69]

Wow! I've got time machine here! 

[NxtChg]

removed the circles.

Now it's good.

[xyzzyx]

Ops, but now "-" looks like a stop sign! It's actually much worse!

removed the circles.

Hey, re-reading my last couple of posts I think perhaps my tone sounded a bit negative where that wasn't my intention.  I just wanted to let you know I like all the stuff you're doing.  

A+++ WOULD F5 AGAIN.

[ZeroTheGreat]

but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is.

Why certain specialist (and you meant "black box" mind)? Trusted transparent enough core, if someone start to act weird, community or split up or find/form/merge around another trusted core. It's wotking with any P2P-system. I can repeat: no system can survive without built-out center. But that kind of center playing with complex rules and very hard to cheat. Output: are u trust that center enough? If it plays well, u'll.

GVS not instantly'll create built-in center, but it make it possible to happen. Why we need that possibility?

[utopianfuture]

but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is.

Why certain specialist (and you meant "black box" mind)? Trusted transparent enough core, if someone start to act weird, community or split up or find/form/merge around another trusted core. It's wotking with any P2P-system.

That is to your friend who you seem to be in an agreement with.

[nxtgt]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free.

In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way.

[mcjavar]

Hi guys,

We would need some PR and marketing on big, trusted sites like Yahoo Financials or Financial Times Online or whatever. There is a bounty for it. Does anyone know about someone having the power to do it? The last time, when the price hit it's highest we had some media coverage (and the alias feature added) which helped to get new Nxters on the boat.

[utopianfuture]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free.

In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way.

I disagree, but then Bitcoin and NXT would only attract to a certain type of people. For God's sake, we are not a a corporation. You could invest in Facebook if you want that sort of things.

[ferment]

Ops, but now "-" looks like a stop sign! It's actually much worse!

removed the circles.

Hey, re-reading my last couple of posts I think perhaps my tone sounded a bit negative where that wasn't my intention.  I just wanted to let you know I like all the stuff you're doing.  

A+++ WOULD F5 AGAIN.

Thanks for feedback!

[nxtgt]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free.

In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way.

I disagree, but then Bitcoin and NXT would only attract to a certain type of people. For God's sake, we are not a a corporation. You could invest in Facebook if you want that sort of things.

Thanks for the clarification. But NXT is a project, and like any other project known to man it needs cohesion and direction, and a clear source of authentic information that is easy to find for others who want to get involved. Enough with the elitist view on crypto. If it really is "so much more" than Bitcoin, why is it reserved for a select few?

[ZeroTheGreat]

but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is.

Why certain specialist (and you meant "black box" mind)? Trusted transparent enough core, if someone start to act weird, community or split up or find/form/merge around another trusted core. It's wotking with any P2P-system.

That is to your friend who you seem to be in an agreement with.

What's your point? I see no scenarios, where P2P-system can grow without built-out center. It can be very big (in amount of people), but still very well bounded and divided from all users of system. And, yes, GVS doesn't solve this problem, after decision was made, someone'd do it, and, say, core dev (if there's still no NxtPolice) simply can go away with personal disagreement. So again: Why?

Which problem can be solved with Global Voting, but can not be solved with actions of people?

[swartzfeger]

wesleyh, anyone else -- does someone know what's going on with the Mac client?

Running wesley's .19/0.5.0. App tells me .0.5.2 is available, try updating numerous times but can't due to hash mismatch.

Delete app, redownload... now the app just spins looking as if it's trying to download it's first block (ni icons available to enter secret passphrase, etc). Deleted the blockchain.nrs, relaunched, same thing -- nada.

Suggestions?

[BaiMangal]

I post a few days ago in nexcoin.org that aws.amazon.com cloud gives 1 year free micro t1 VPS
I have a windows one free and now I added onepaid both with slightly more than 600mb ram. It seems that the nxt nodes run ok on them. I don't have them hallmarked but I thought we run as many like them as we could to support the stability.

It costs 0 for 1 year.
Go make accounts in aws.amazon.com and set up a VPS with nxt node.
You need to modify the web.xml
         <param-name>myAddress</param-name>
         <param-value>PUT THE VPS IP HERE</param-value>

Don't put money to fogrge just run nxt client.

Just running nxt node (client) with 0 nxt in it will help the stability right?? or am I confused again!!!!

[Damelon]

Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?

No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free.

In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way.

I disagree, but then Bitcoin and NXT would only attract to a certain type of people. For God's sake, we are not a a corporation. You could invest in Facebook if you want that sort of things.

Thanks for the clarification. But NXT is a project, and like any other project known to man it needs cohesion and direction, and a clear source of authentic information that is easy to find for others who want to get involved. Enough with the elitist view on crypto. If it really is "so much more" than Bitcoin, why is it reserved for a select few?

Most people you see running the show are actually people who jumped in and started doing things they saw needed doing.
This leads to a certain lack of coordination, maybe, but Nxt is very much a community of people who volunteer.

[nxtgt]

Most people you see running the show are actually people who jumped in and started doing things they saw needed doing.
This leads to a certain lack of coordination, maybe, but Nxt is very much a community of people who volunteer.

And I respect that Damelon but there is a disdain among contributors here that there should be any source of centralized information or decision-making, which I think gets to the heart of what ZerotheGreat is arguing.