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Author Topic: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner  (Read 37166 times)
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August 28, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
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So are we great again now?

Except this isn't a trump thing... that classification grouping pre-dates trump... and the rate is specified as 2.6%.

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Weird.  Out of somewhere close to 20 orders made over the years I have only ever been assessed a brokerage fee for two of them and one of them I actually got them to reverse.  The only one I ever paid and didn't protest was the one on my batch 1 Z9-mini.  The one that arrived today had no fee.  All shipped through UPS I should add.
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August 28, 2018, 06:17:16 PM
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So are we great again now?

Except this isn't a trump thing... that classification grouping pre-dates trump... and the rate is specified as 2.6%.

-j

Weird.  Out of somewhere close to 20 orders made over the years I have only ever been assessed a brokerage fee for two of them and one of them I actually got them to reverse.  The only one I ever paid and didn't protest was the one on my batch 1 Z9-mini.  The one that arrived today had no fee.  All shipped through UPS I should add.

The ruling on "antminers" classification was June 8th -- but that's just standard processes, I think... somehow or another it came to their attention to look at in more detail. The quote and apparent calculations of 25% is def. wrong as best I can tell with the current information. Mine are Z9s so I'm expecting to deal with this next week, hopefully by not having to deal with it at all.

I just know at 3 Z9s * 25%, I'll fight any way I can to validate the classification -- 2.6% I'd rather not pay, but it is tolerable at least.

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August 28, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
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So are we great again now?

Except this isn't a trump thing... that classification grouping pre-dates trump... and the rate is specified as 2.6%.

-j

Weird.  Out of somewhere close to 20 orders made over the years I have only ever been assessed a brokerage fee for two of them and one of them I actually got them to reverse.  The only one I ever paid and didn't protest was the one on my batch 1 Z9-mini.  The one that arrived today had no fee.  All shipped through UPS I should add.

The ruling on "antminers" classification was June 8th -- but that's just standard processes, I think... somehow or another it came to their attention to look at in more detail. The quote and apparent calculations of 25% is def. wrong as best I can tell with the current information. Mine are Z9s so I'm expecting to deal with this next week, hopefully by not having to deal with it at all.

I just know at 3 Z9s * 25%, I'll fight any way I can to validate the classification -- 2.6% I'd rather not pay, but it is tolerable at least.

The new tariffs went into effect at the beginning of August. It was 2.6% in June, it's 25% now:

https://twitter.com/USTradeRep/status/1026936085434327040
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2018/august/ustr-finalizes-second-tranche
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/Final%20Second%20Tranche.pdf
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August 28, 2018, 06:54:22 PM
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So are we great again now?

Except this isn't a trump thing... that classification grouping pre-dates trump... and the rate is specified as 2.6%.

-j

Weird.  Out of somewhere close to 20 orders made over the years I have only ever been assessed a brokerage fee for two of them and one of them I actually got them to reverse.  The only one I ever paid and didn't protest was the one on my batch 1 Z9-mini.  The one that arrived today had no fee.  All shipped through UPS I should add.

The ruling on "antminers" classification was June 8th -- but that's just standard processes, I think... somehow or another it came to their attention to look at in more detail. The quote and apparent calculations of 25% is def. wrong as best I can tell with the current information. Mine are Z9s so I'm expecting to deal with this next week, hopefully by not having to deal with it at all.

I just know at 3 Z9s * 25%, I'll fight any way I can to validate the classification -- 2.6% I'd rather not pay, but it is tolerable at least.

The new tariffs went into effect at the beginning of August. It was 2.6% in June, it's 25% now:

https://twitter.com/USTradeRep/status/1026936085434327040
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2018/august/ustr-finalizes-second-tranche
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/Final%20Second%20Tranche.pdf

I'm confused.  Are we great again or not?
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August 28, 2018, 06:56:48 PM
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Appears as though we need to have an ASIC manufacturer move their operations to the United States.
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August 28, 2018, 07:00:04 PM
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So are we great again now?

Except this isn't a trump thing... that classification grouping pre-dates trump... and the rate is specified as 2.6%.

-j

Weird.  Out of somewhere close to 20 orders made over the years I have only ever been assessed a brokerage fee for two of them and one of them I actually got them to reverse.  The only one I ever paid and didn't protest was the one on my batch 1 Z9-mini.  The one that arrived today had no fee.  All shipped through UPS I should add.

The ruling on "antminers" classification was June 8th -- but that's just standard processes, I think... somehow or another it came to their attention to look at in more detail. The quote and apparent calculations of 25% is def. wrong as best I can tell with the current information. Mine are Z9s so I'm expecting to deal with this next week, hopefully by not having to deal with it at all.

I just know at 3 Z9s * 25%, I'll fight any way I can to validate the classification -- 2.6% I'd rather not pay, but it is tolerable at least.

The new tariffs went into effect at the beginning of August. It was 2.6% in June, it's 25% now:

https://twitter.com/USTradeRep/status/1026936085434327040
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2018/august/ustr-finalizes-second-tranche
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/Final%20Second%20Tranche.pdf

What's really awesome about this is it isn't in the official / latest revisions available here: http://hts.usitc.gov/current and last published in August of 2018 (this month)... So...

Definitely, we are great.

Found this on USTR.gov: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2018-13248.pdf

That does show 8543.70.9960 at 25% :/.

Meh.

*EDIT*: Finally found it in the full August 2018 ruling -- in the chart for 8543.70.9960, it says 2.6% and "1/" -- the 1/ is a reference to the bottom of the page which tells you to look at 9903.88.02 and 9903.88.02 is a 25% duty.

so .... reclassification is the only option. Meh.

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August 28, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
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I'm confused.  Are we great again or not?

I think we're supposed to start hiring coal miners to make Bitcoin miners in the US and then we'll be great again. But more likely we'll just pay 25% and blame deep state.

Also I would like to use this opportunity to apologize to our European friends for making fun of them over the years about their stupid 20-25% VAT rates.
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August 28, 2018, 07:04:15 PM
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I'm confused.  Are we great again or not?

I think we're supposed to start hiring coal miners to make Bitcoin miners in the US and then we'll be great again. But more likely we'll just pay 25% and blame deep state.

Also I would like to use this opportunity to apologize to our European friends for making fun of them over the years about their stupid 20-25% VAT rates.
Lol. #maga
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August 28, 2018, 07:23:02 PM
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Maybe we can tell the government we are farmers (farming cryptos) and we can get some of those sweet government handouts that they are going to give the farmers to offset their losses from the new tariffs of the trade war.
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August 28, 2018, 07:24:27 PM
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Has it been confirmed with anyone that DHL charges this batch or just UPS?
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August 28, 2018, 07:29:08 PM
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Has it been confirmed with anyone that DHL charges this batch or just UPS?

response #1636 in this thread suggests dhl got hit... seems random-ish at the moment.

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August 28, 2018, 08:25:17 PM
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Those of you who shipped with UPS and were charged the 25% tariff - was the tariff shown on your tracking info?  and if so before or after the export scan at shenzhen? 
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August 28, 2018, 09:02:37 PM
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There are rumours that 3 batch had no option to overclock - if someone already get asics delivered from august batch, can you please check this?
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August 28, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
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There are rumours that 3 batch had no option to overclock - if someone already get asics delivered from august batch, can you please check this?
Read back a few posts and you’ll find the answer.
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August 28, 2018, 09:33:51 PM
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As long as it continues to run linux, you can vim it.
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August 28, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
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Those of you who shipped with UPS and were charged the 25% tariff - was the tariff shown on your tracking info?  and if so before or after the export scan at shenzhen? 

The invoice shows the old tariff classification.  Customs changed it when they saw ANTMINER on my invoice.

https://imgur.com/a/h6wGRgk
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August 28, 2018, 10:12:27 PM
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Considering the difference in cost, manufacturing, and importing parts? I kinda doubt that'll happen under this regime.
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August 28, 2018, 11:24:20 PM
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As long as it continues to run linux, you can vim it.

please elaborate. we still need devs like Blissz to build a custome fw for the z9 (what he will not do), right?
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August 29, 2018, 02:52:08 AM
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Has it been confirmed with anyone that DHL charges this batch or just UPS?

UPS and DHL
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August 29, 2018, 02:53:08 AM
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There are rumours that 3 batch had no option to overclock - if someone already get asics delivered from august batch, can you please check this?
Read back a few posts and you’ll find the answer.

about OC batch 2, I have 2 miners at this moment and both can't OC more 650M... become unstable! not an issue with PSU.
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