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August 17, 2011, 09:32:39 AM
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Guys this has nothing to do with your GPUs or whatever, it's this way due to the crazy low difficulty rate and the insane amount of hashing power poured into this fork early on. In other words the block generation time is so low that you can't get a valid share in. Once difficulty rises a bit you will see fewer stale shares.


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August 17, 2011, 09:35:05 AM
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that still doesn't answer the question why he's just hitting 100 i0coins after 9 hours and I hit 100 i0coins in an hour at half the hashrate xD

why would someone of much lower hashrate be ABLE to get shares in and someone with much higher hashrate NOT BE ABLE TO get shares in? xD

plus.. even with %75 stales the whole time mining I've still made 5 times what he's made and it should be the complete opposite he should make 50-100 times MORE then me..

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August 17, 2011, 09:41:26 AM
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It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  Wink


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.

I could create an rikurrCoin --> toilet exchange for all your dumping needs? Cheesy


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August 17, 2011, 10:04:14 AM
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that still doesn't answer the question why he's just hitting 100 i0coins after 9 hours and I hit 100 i0coins in an hour at half the hashrate xD

why would someone of much lower hashrate be ABLE to get shares in and someone with much higher hashrate NOT BE ABLE TO get shares in? xD

plus.. even with %75 stales the whole time mining I've still made 5 times what he's made and it should be the complete opposite he should make 50-100 times MORE then me..

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August 17, 2011, 10:14:33 AM
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I'm now testing with CGminer and poclbm.
Seems to be a big difference in stales.

Results in 15 minutes!

Update!
CGMiner has 13% stales vs poclbm with 21% stales!

We have a winner!
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August 17, 2011, 10:24:33 AM
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If that's the boundary of your imagination, I feel sorry for it. How about pruning and consolidating old blocks?  how about faster block download and verification? how about using blocks as an Internet time-keeping tool? how about making the hashing power more useful?  how about allowing transaction expiration to prevent lost coins?

Dare to dream, my friend. Dream.


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August 17, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
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Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?
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August 17, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
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Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?

Sounds like they were sent to an invalid receiving address.
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August 17, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
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I'm now testing with CGminer and poclbm.
Seems to be a big difference in stales.

Results in 15 minutes!

Update!
CGMiner has 13% stales vs poclbm with 21% stales!

We have a winner!

And the reason is, different difficulty levels.

We are now at diff 4096 and I bet my tophat you did a test with poclbm on diff 1024.

Im running poclbm and right now on diff 4096 Im getting ~7% stales

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August 17, 2011, 11:12:49 AM
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Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?

Sounds like they were sent to an invalid receiving address.


Yeah, but it matches exactly what's on the bitparking page.  Just copied and pasted it anyway.


Aaaaand, as soon as I type that and refresh the bitparking page, it shows the incoming coins.  Super weird.  I did this transaction 9 hours ago and have refreshed that page heaps of times.

Whatever.
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August 17, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
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Yeah, but it matches exactly what's on the bitparking page.  Just copied and pasted it anyway.


Aaaaand, as soon as I type that and refresh the bitparking page, it shows the incoming coins.  Super weird.  I did this transaction 9 hours ago and have refreshed that page heaps of times.


Well I guess that rules out an invalid address. The really isn't a lot more you can do except wait, or get doublec to go look through the logs on his end and see what he's seeing.
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August 17, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
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Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

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August 17, 2011, 12:09:15 PM
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Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

How is this different, this is how it's been
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August 17, 2011, 12:28:30 PM
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Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

How is this different, this is how it's been

Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?

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August 17, 2011, 12:36:38 PM
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Orphans, Stales, Rejects, etc
Everyone hates them and some people want to make up an excuse why they get them.
... and when a new block-chain starts, they of course sky-rocket.

If someone swapped a flag and thus got more people to pool instead of solo and wanted that - well they were smart weren't they Smiley

Otherwise - yeah understand what an orphan is and why it happens - during the early stages of a new block-chain they will occur regularly

Hmm how many pooled block single share orphens was I marked against ... checks ... 50 in the first 90 minutes ... I think I actually got and lost 5 or 6 of the orphens - oh well that's the way it is, that's part of the security of how it works - and btw my mining rig is only 710Mh/s - not very big ... but I did successfully get 6 non-orphened single share blocks in the first 90 minutes.

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August 17, 2011, 12:39:47 PM
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Orphans, Stales, Rejects, etc
Everyone hates them and some people want to make up an excuse why they get them.
... and when a new block-chain starts, they of course sky-rocket.

If someone swapped a flag and thus got more people to pool instead of solo and wanted that - well they were smart weren't they Smiley

Otherwise - yeah understand what an orphan is and why it happens - during the early stages of a new block-chain they will occur regularly

Hmm how many pooled block single share orphens was I marked against ... checks ... 50 in the first 90 minutes ... I think I actually got and lost 5 or 6 of the orphens - oh well that's the way it is, that's part of the security of how it works - and btw my mining rig is only 710Mh/s - not very big ... but I did successfully get 6 non-orphened single share blocks in the first 90 minutes.

Yes, I am hoping someone will answer my question: If solo miners that were mining I0coind didn't have the server mode switch would they have lost any blocks they mined during that time?

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August 17, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
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How can you do work requests to a server that isn't a server?

You think someone actually modified the server code to stop it from submitting blocks to the network?
Well if they did, yeah I guess you'd be unhappy about it ... but I seriously doubt someone did that.
When taken in context it sounds exactly like someone trying to blame their orphens on something other than the fact that they are expected.

Again, orphens ran rampant during the early stages I even saw some of those 6 I lost disappear when the network corrected them - that's how it works and it happens with solo and pool mining of course.

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August 17, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
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How can you do work requests to a server that isn't a server?

You think someone actually modified the server code to stop it from submitting blocks to the network?
Well if they did, yeah I guess you'd be unhappy about it ... but I seriously doubt someone did that.
When taken in context it sounds exactly like someone trying to blame their orphens on something other than the fact that they are expected.

Again, orphens ran rampant during the early stages I even saw some of those 6 I lost disappear when the network corrected them - that's how it works and it happens with solo and pool mining of course.

Well some versions of the code you type in ./bitcoind it starts the daemon and you then get a command prompt below it where you can type things such as ./bitcoind getinfo on this configuration you have to open
another terminal and type ./bitcoind getinfo (or in this case ./i0coind getinfo )  The problem is that people were still able to start poclbm with the username and password in the i0coin.conf file but it would be unable to write to the wallet as the directory would have been in use by the iocoind running in non-server mode. Therefore people were wondering why the hell they were not  getting the blocks they had mined and in fact it looks like they may have lost them completely. I hope there is a way for these people to recover them. I myself believe I mined a few blocks in this situation. They have simple becomes orphans and I may have lost them anyway but I was not running the i0coind in server mode so it appears that I may have lost those blocks simply for that reason. If it was just me then tough luck but if it turns out that many hundreds of people lost entire blocks due to this this is quite a serious issue.

Additionally people were unsure which port to specify in the i0coin.conf leading many to be forced to mine through pools further undermining the open and p2p nature of the currency.


The whole purpose of opening this up and having an official launch  to give as many people as possible a chance to take part in this new block chain has unfortunately been side stepped in some cases by technical errors and unfriendly default configurations and in other cases may have been manipulated by blatant financial gain leaving the rest of us with feeling short changed.

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August 17, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
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Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?
No.

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August 17, 2011, 01:35:30 PM
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Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 

Considering i0coins have 3 times the volume of Ixcoins at similar points in time and I0coins actually have some useful features over BTC, I think you're being a bit generous with straddling 0.005.

0.02 will likely be hit. But thanks anyhow for selling low. Smiley

Still sure about that?  The price hasn't budged.

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