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July 11, 2018, 08:19:00 PM
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3 days left in the pre-sale.

2298 raised so far

I will say that after hearing some great things coming down the line that the soft cap will be hit when we go live with the public sale. This thing is going to happen no matter what.

I think the public sale will come with some awesome surprises and we will likely hit the hard cap before it's over.

Get in now, not so that you have some bonus coins that you can sell right after they go onto an exchange. But because you will want to hold those coins and spend them on the seastead when they are built.

If you want just a taste of what you will be able to enjoy from your seastead, here is a video I did of dolphins playing right outside my back yard this past week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmmMaH5Dih4


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July 11, 2018, 08:27:21 PM
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3 days left in the pre-sale.

2298 raised so far

I will say that after hearing some great things coming down the line that the soft cap will be hit when we go live with the public sale. This thing is going to happen no matter what.

I think the public sale will come with some awesome surprises and we will likely hit the hard cap before it's over.

Get in now, not so that you have some bonus coins that you can sell right after they go onto an exchange. But because you will want to hold those coins and spend them on the seastead when they are built.

If you want just a taste of what you will be able to enjoy from your seastead, here is a video I did of dolphins playing right outside my back yard this past week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmmMaH5Dih4



You guys are so lucky man and you are making me jealous hehe. Anyway I am a big supporter of this project through my pockets are rather small without any whalish activity in them lol but I really believe that the blockchain was created for these kinds of groundbreaking and life-changing projects like VARYON which is making more of us change the way we want to live and think outside of the subdivision corporate box we were brought up in to believe and perceive as the best way to live. If I ever became even a crypto baby whale, I would buy a home on a seastead and come and play with the dolphins as my 'pets'.


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July 12, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
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2 days left in the presale to get your bonus varyon.

$420 for 14,750 VAR (plus 5% bonus). About 2 cents per varyon. Mark that number for posterity.

The pre-sale has been mostly grass roots small investors. The main sale may be a different story.

Here are a couple of big names that are supporting Varyon.





I'm looking forward to seeing the reaction to the great news we will be presenting for the main sale. Exciting times people. Buckle up.

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July 13, 2018, 06:43:26 PM
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=https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/varyon-presale-one-more-day-e2d5b318873cPre-sale ends tomorrow!


Currently at 2382 ETH. I'm hoping enough last minute people buy enough to push it over 2500. A decent round number to reach.


What are peoples' thoughts? 2500 during the pre-sale during Bitcoin's biggest bear market in years. I think it gives us a good floor going into the main sale.


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July 14, 2018, 08:49:40 PM
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Only 15 hours remain to get in on the pre-sale! Currently at 2465 ETH!

On the ground here in Tahiti I am hearing good news that will be revealed for the main sale. Along with that news we will be delving a bit deeper into the updates to our whitepaper explaining the many things contributing to the value of your varyon. A bit of a learning curve but in the end, it's good for all varyon holders.

Here is a sample:




Wondering the steps for buying varyon?

Start here:
https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/how-to-participate-in-the-varyon-ico-43d4857b5a8f

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July 15, 2018, 12:18:17 AM
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Up to 2850! A lot of people getting in at the last minute.

Only 12 hours left to participate in the pre-sale.

https://varyon.io

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July 16, 2018, 03:06:28 AM
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Pre-sale ended with 3100 ETH!

Just 900 short of the soft cap. It is very likely we will have a commitment for that much for the main sale soon so I'm 90% certain that the soft cap will be reached before the main sale.

The pre-sale was very much grass roots which is great. The people who actually believe in the project got in early enough to get the bonus. There will be plenty of smart money coming in during the main sale who understand the fundamentals of the financials of Varyon. Hopefully we can get some videos or simple guides to explain the complexity of what role Varyon will play in the seastead.

This may be the end of the pre-sale but it is just the beginning of preparation for a huge main sale. Looking forward to it and wrapping it all up so we can get rolling on this.

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i think that this project still doesn't got the attention that it realy deserve , anyway , congrats with the pre-sale  , think people need time to understand how big this project is.

i did not know anything about seasteading before , but now , i can't stop watching movie's about this , i was there with the pre-sale and i'll be there with the main sale

good luck with this great project
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Getting 3100 Eth (so far) is really impressive, particularly in this market where a lot of people are more cautious.

As I've said before, I really like this big picture and ambitious project. Out of interest, do you have any detail on the number of contributors? For example, did most of what has been raised come from lots of large investors, or many small investors? 
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Getting 3100 Eth (so far) is really impressive, particularly in this market where a lot of people are more cautious.

As I've said before, I really like this big picture and ambitious project. Out of interest, do you have any detail on the number of contributors? For example, did most of what has been raised come from lots of large investors, or many small investors? 


Here is the final announcement of the results of the pre-sale:

https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/results-of-the-varyon-presale-68f9bbc6685d

A few highlights:
"We raised 3100.97 Ethereum!"

"People from more than 50 countries purchased Varyon in the presale. We are proud that we have token holders on every continent.."

"Our social channels have seen over 4.5 Million impressions during the presale and the Blue Frontiers Community Telegram group now has over 2600 active members."

"250+ media stories have come out about Blue Frontiers and Varyon since we opened the presale."

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I've just read the whole whitepaper and a few pages through this thread and the one Theymos started about a floating island.

I've left my e-mail and a pledge of 5 ETH.

Will continue researching about this project, seems very interesting Smiley

Looking for a signature campaign.
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August 07, 2018, 02:54:08 AM
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Here is a simple infographic that shows how the seastead will work:

https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/infographic


Blue Frontiers is also releasing the "State of the Art" reports presented at the end of 2017 by the various subgroups.

https://blue-frontiers.com/docs/State-of-the-art_report_-_Food_Systems.pdf

https://blue-frontiers.com/docs/State-of-the-art_report_-_Energy_&_Water.pdf

More to come.

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August 10, 2018, 03:53:03 AM
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From Peter Thiel to Libertarian Utopias, Seasteading has long been the subject of rumours and speculations.

To set the story straight, we have launched a media archive, which we have populated with some of the more accurate articles about Blue Frontiers and seasteading from the past two years. We will issue factual responses to new media stories as they come out.

https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/pirates-and-fake-news-on-the-high-seas-2cadf103948c

Media Archive:
https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/media

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Dear administration.Due to the fact that bounty company has been ported to your own platform,I have a lot of questions.I would like to know with whom I can discuss the accumulated issues.
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Dear administration.Due to the fact that bounty company has been ported to your own platform,I have a lot of questions.I would like to know with whom I can discuss the accumulated issues.


For bounty questions join https://t.me/joinchat/GZKGqEhBqxYxUWmRumSE8Q

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Here is a simple infographic that shows how the seastead will work:

https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/infographic


looks good right. but images always do. just a shame the image and reality are not equal
elwar you still never learn
1. drawings of floating islands with grass roofs are not going to be a reality
     the amount of solar requirement just for a normal home fills up most of the roof space of a normal home.
     now add to that all the new tech features you want thse homes to have adds more electric demand.
     then add the tech needed just for sustainability, such as the water treatment. and guess what. no room for grass roof
2. self governance sounds goof right?
     but french polynesia requires people to register every 6-12 months their intent to stay for more than 3 month
     then after 5 years of doing so then can then apply for a 10 year permit.
     emphasis permit. (which can get revoked)
3. nice images of Eco waste management right?
     but it doesnt show the reality of where the waste goes after.
     look at point 1. there wont be much room to shovel your fertiliser (decomposed toilet waste) )on the roof to grow plants.
     because those plants would then shadow the solar panels.and limited grass
     and if all the cardboard boxes from computr equipmnt. plastic wrap, food packaging, plastic bottles could be eco disposible
     then strangely why havnt you sold your eco patents as licences to on-land waste management companies to make it all just vanish
4. nice buzzwording of innovative new tech
     but if all this new tech was so great as highlighted in final sentance of point 3. you wouldnt need to fundraise under $800k (3k ether)


dont get me wrong. i am very positive about sustainable eco-homes. sea steading, self governance. but after the initial promotional hype of emotions everyone gets from a first read. and then devling into the deeper research. i just see a big money grab and lots of glossy images, but all the flaws beyond the glossy images.
its like your trying to do a 'sharks tank' / 'dragons den' pitch based purely on what you seen on TV about how to spew out a sales pitch. but you do not relise what happens after the camera switches off when the actual due dilegance on the pitch really begins and the dvelopment really begins.

elwar, your team are good PR/finance grabbing guys. but take away the glossy images and all the half researched stuff to create lots of snazzy buzzwords. leaves very little actual content of a proper business/development plan people will get to see in their lifetime
(many people in their 20's can become grandparents by the time the concept is complete)

i wrote all of the above from just viewing the infrographic link. and then. reading the pdf of the research the flaws start showing
"The group acknowledges that this conceptualization was created with great care and thought, and we agree with many of
the concepts that it embodies. At the same time, we suggest some revisions. One of the most common has been the suggestion that
the green roof should include food plants.
Others suggest that we should use the surface to capture rainwater, and that a green roof is not the most effective way to do
this. It may be that we do not have enough space on the roof both for the amount of solar panels and rainwater collection
needed. The group is committed to working with Blue21 to continue refining these"

its kinda good to see that some people can be honest that the BLUE21 concept has flaws where not every PR'd gimmick can fit on the roof. and its something i have mentioned time and time before.
the infographic is a illusionary illustration and not a illustration based on deep insight. many business plans would have thought about the details of space required and everything included and then made drawings around that. .. rather than make the drawings grab money and then pray to god it all works out.

you admit although you googled some idea's you still lack the skillset
"we will need someone skilled at designing microgrids to determine whether this would be enough to ensure power stays on 24/7" thus it appears most of the concept is just done with a random team of unskilled people sat at a bar drinking cocktails trying to make a glossy image for PR purposes of money grabbing. rather than spending time actually asking people with skillsets to volunteer a bit of their time to give you measurements and details you really require.

self governance.
self sustainability falls flat in many places. your pdf starts revealing these. like suddenly needing an elected board (like a town hall) where they set prices of sharing electric, the cost of internt access. and even funnier. it then becomes tyranical.
"the Seasteading principle of 'vote with your house' applies here. If people think they are being cheated, they will just leave and go back to where ever they came from. "

thats the same kind of crap as
the core roadmap. follow cores elected plan or F**K off..
trump. if you dont like trump F**k off to mexico/canada
a real consensus / self governance is. if you feel like you are being cheated. reselect a new board to moderate the network which you want to remain on.

seems blue21 concept is not decentralised, self governed. but actually very governed concept. follow their rules of sell your island at a discount and go back to mainland

other points about population. there is a cap. the PDF mentions it. blue21 seems to be topping off at around a 200 population cap. but this will not be a 200 average free world ccitizen richman cap. it would end up being about 100 richguy resident cap and just as many. 'workers' maintaining the 50-150 floats
yep. this seastead projct has a 20 year goal requiring multimillions of dollars. for..... 200 people

other things too..
biogas. do you (well probably not by the looks of things) know how many times people need to go to the toilet to be able to produce enough gas to cook a meal in gas powered kitchen oven...
how much algae needs to be grown/taken from the sea to supliment the shortfall.
wheres the ecological study on taking out algea from a ocean area. or introducing new algea farms into a ocean area

blackwater. (toilet flush waste) having to separate, dry, gather the gas, and then compost the solids. takes up space.
gotta love the picture of the 20foot cargo container.. its hinting something to you that your team are not seeing in all your designs and snazzy glossy pics.
also if you watched the matt damon movie about mars. the compost from excrement needed to be mixed with mars dirt. and even that was not enough to grow enough potato for matt deman to be self sustaining.. and that biomass included waste from not just him but his team that left him behind.

you have also wasted YEARS on PR but yet to see much beyond a google/youtube search of 'idea's'
if you realised there are already many think-tank teams that give thier time for free. and have an ethos and motivation of a better world, you would have already got all your answers years ago and had sponsors of science and eco warriors funding prototypes already.

but all it seems is that you want money grabs from thousands of random people. for a empty plan that is going to scale as long as 20 years that will only benefit 200 people.
you still have not really got a grip of the whole concept. not even enough to really be in a developing state.

im still laughing that you wasted a year trying to fundraise millions for a 32bed boat to be used purely for you and your buddies to have meetings. now that was truly an eye opener to where i seen your motives. wasting millions on 'meetings'.. facepalm
that definetly was the pinnicle point of seeing that your tam was not economical or ecological minded.

i could go on. but feel the more flaws i reveal. the less you actually put into a dvelopment plan and the more you just buword using google into a new glossy fundraiser pitch

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August 14, 2018, 04:42:10 AM
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Here is a simple infographic that shows how the seastead will work:

https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/infographic


looks good right. but images always do. just a shame the image and reality are not equal
elwar you still never learn
1. drawings of floating islands with grass roofs are not going to be a reality
     the amount of solar requirement just for a normal home fills up most of the roof space of a normal home.
     now add to that all the new tech features you want thse homes to have adds more electric demand.
     then add the tech needed just for sustainability, such as the water treatment. and guess what. no room for grass roof
2. self governance sounds goof right?
     but french polynesia requires people to register every 6-12 months their intent to stay for more than 3 month
     then after 5 years of doing so then can then apply for a 10 year permit.
     emphasis permit. (which can get revoked)
3. nice images of Eco waste management right?
     but it doesnt show the reality of where the waste goes after.
     look at point 1. there wont be much room to shovel your fertiliser (decomposed toilet waste) )on the roof to grow plants.
     because those plants would then shadow the solar panels.and limited grass
     and if all the cardboard boxes from computr equipmnt. plastic wrap, food packaging, plastic bottles could be eco disposible
     then strangely why havnt you sold your eco patents as licences to on-land waste management companies to make it all just vanish
4. nice buzzwording of innovative new tech
     but if all this new tech was so great as highlighted in final sentance of point 3. you wouldnt need to fundraise under $800k (3k ether)


dont get me wrong. i am very positive about sustainable eco-homes. sea steading, self governance. but after the initial promotional hype of emotions everyone gets from a first read. and then devling into the deeper research. i just see a big money grab and lots of glossy images, but all the flaws beyond the glossy images.
its like your trying to do a 'sharks tank' / 'dragons den' pitch based purely on what you seen on TV about how to spew out a sales pitch. but you do not relise what happens after the camera switches off when the actual due dilegance on the pitch really begins and the dvelopment really begins.

elwar, your team are good PR/finance grabbing guys. but take away the glossy images and all the half researched stuff to create lots of snazzy buzzwords. leaves very little actual content of a proper business/development plan people will get to see in their lifetime
(many people in their 20's can become grandparents by the time the concept is complete)

i wrote all of the above from just viewing the infrographic link. and then. reading the pdf of the research the flaws start showing
"The group acknowledges that this conceptualization was created with great care and thought, and we agree with many of
the concepts that it embodies. At the same time, we suggest some revisions. One of the most common has been the suggestion that
the green roof should include food plants.
Others suggest that we should use the surface to capture rainwater, and that a green roof is not the most effective way to do
this. It may be that we do not have enough space on the roof both for the amount of solar panels and rainwater collection
needed. The group is committed to working with Blue21 to continue refining these"

its kinda good to see that some people can be honest that the BLUE21 concept has flaws where not every PR'd gimmick can fit on the roof. and its something i have mentioned time and time before.
the infographic is a illusionary illustration and not a illustration based on deep insight. many business plans would have thought about the details of space required and everything included and then made drawings around that. .. rather than make the drawings grab money and then pray to god it all works out.

you admit although you googled some idea's you still lack the skillset
"we will need someone skilled at designing microgrids to determine whether this would be enough to ensure power stays on 24/7" thus it appears most of the concept is just done with a random team of unskilled people sat at a bar drinking cocktails trying to make a glossy image for PR purposes of money grabbing. rather than spending time actually asking people with skillsets to volunteer a bit of their time to give you measurements and details you really require.

self governance.
self sustainability falls flat in many places. your pdf starts revealing these. like suddenly needing an elected board (like a town hall) where they set prices of sharing electric, the cost of internt access. and even funnier. it then becomes tyranical.
"the Seasteading principle of 'vote with your house' applies here. If people think they are being cheated, they will just leave and go back to where ever they came from. "

thats the same kind of crap as
the core roadmap. follow cores elected plan or F**K off..
trump. if you dont like trump F**k off to mexico/canada
a real consensus / self governance is. if you feel like you are being cheated. reselect a new board to moderate the network which you want to remain on.

seems blue21 concept is not decentralised, self governed. but actually very governed concept. follow their rules of sell your island at a discount and go back to mainland

other points about population. there is a cap. the PDF mentions it. blue21 seems to be topping off at around a 200 population cap. but this will not be a 200 average free world ccitizen richman cap. it would end up being about 100 richguy resident cap and just as many. 'workers' maintaining the 50-150 floats
yep. this seastead projct has a 20 year goal requiring multimillions of dollars. for..... 200 people

other things too..
biogas. do you (well probably not by the looks of things) know how many times people need to go to the toilet to be able to produce enough gas to cook a meal in gas powered kitchen oven...
how much algae needs to be grown/taken from the sea to supliment the shortfall.
wheres the ecological study on taking out algea from a ocean area. or introducing new algea farms into a ocean area

blackwater. (toilet flush waste) having to separate, dry, gather the gas, and then compost the solids. takes up space.
gotta love the picture of the 20foot cargo container.. its hinting something to you that your team are not seeing in all your designs and snazzy glossy pics.
also if you watched the matt damon movie about mars. the compost from excrement needed to be mixed with mars dirt. and even that was not enough to grow enough potato for matt deman to be self sustaining.. and that biomass included waste from not just him but his team that left him behind.

you have also wasted YEARS on PR but yet to see much beyond a google/youtube search of 'idea's'
if you realised there are already many think-tank teams that give thier time for free. and have an ethos and motivation of a better world, you would have already got all your answers years ago and had sponsors of science and eco warriors funding prototypes already.

but all it seems is that you want money grabs from thousands of random people. for a empty plan that is going to scale as long as 20 years that will only benefit 200 people.
you still have not really got a grip of the whole concept. not even enough to really be in a developing state.

im still laughing that you wasted a year trying to fundraise millions for a 32bed boat to be used purely for you and your buddies to have meetings. now that was truly an eye opener to where i seen your motives. wasting millions on 'meetings'.. facepalm
that definetly was the pinnicle point of seeing that your tam was not economical or ecological minded.

i could go on. but feel the more flaws i reveal. the less you actually put into a dvelopment plan and the more you just buword using google into a new glossy fundraiser pitch

And thank you for the great response as always franky. Franky still believes that Blue Frontiers is my company even though I have mentioned several times that I, like those that wrote their recommendations in those pdfs, are just enthusiastic volunteers offering our support of a great project.

I look forward to your input on the other volunteer group input papers as we release them. Always a joy to read your posts franky.

At least you finally saw that the project is a bit more than "Elwar just posting some pretty pictures of his project that he spent years putting together".

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elwar
my responses to you were due to YOUR announcements and YOUR fundraising. for a project YOUR involved in.
if you introduced me to your buddies i would also say the word "YOUR" to them (meaning it was their project)

i cant say OUR because i decided not to waste my funds in this bottomless pit of money grabbing but no physical results for years

ill put it simply like this
i did not make bitcoin.. bitcoin is not my company.. but bitcoin is mine because i am involved, invested, inspired and i am part of bitcoin. everyone interested in bitcoin and wants to be part of bitcoin could and should call it their project too.


it is funny how you want to be involved and grab money but as soon as someone suggests that your part of the project, you soon want to stand back and try to pretend your not involved.

which might be whats so revealing. very quick to ask for funds but dont want to take responsibility.
i guess thats why with all these glossy images and pdf's of just half assed research after 8+ years its still empty of actual results.. (bad/lack of managemnt).. but from all i can see is fund raising fundraising fundraising.

dang.. if new yorks WTC1 proposed dvelopment in 2006 but told the population the final floor/spire would be ready by 2040.. and the foundations would not be start until after 2010.. alot of people would wonder why has there been lots of money grabbing over the last few years. and why so long and why are certain people wanting to waste millions on a 32room space just for management meetings.

P.S its funny after a few years of asking for more details, suddenly YOUR buddies are pulling paper out (but not whitpaper quality ven if you want to buzzword it as such). these PDF's are still empty of results. its just pure google research.
i could have ripped apart every detail but chose to pick just a few little aspects.

ill give you a big hint. the grass on the roof. one pdf plans on 20% roof coverage.. a nice image of orange coloured arrows of electricity utility.
issue: salt water desalination not included
issue: grey water filtring not included.
issue: electric usage of refridgerator really made me laugh.. thats utility of weekly food storage(normal kitchen fridge/freezer). you have not realised that people will need walk-in freezer space to store supplies beyond a week(think ral life sustainability requirement)
issue: just 1 ASIC would use up the majority of the "entertainment/electronics" category,
think about a smart home where everything is computerised and needing to function. the electric iis far far beyond the requirement of just 20% roof space.

i have been pointing things out to you for a few years now. and while you enjoy your tahiti lifestyle grabbing money. seems your(the comunity your in) are not treading any water to move forward ..excuse the pun.

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i cant say OUR because i decided not to waste my funds in this bottomless pit of money grabbing but no physical results for years

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which might be whats so revealing. very quick to ask for funds but dont want to take responsibility.
i guess thats why with all these glossy images and pdf's of just half assed research after 8+ years its still empty of actual results.. (bad/lack of managemnt).. but from all i can see is fund raising fundraising fundraising.

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2006 but told the population the final floor/spire would be ready by 2040.. and the foundations would not be start until after 2010..

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P.S its funny after a few years of asking for more details,

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i have been pointing things out to you for a few years now. and while you enjoy your tahiti lifestyle grabbing money. seems your(the comunity your in) are not treading any water to move forward ..excuse the pun.

I swear franky, sometimes I think you're posting from a time machine. I'm glad you're enjoying looking into Blue Frontiers which just celebrated their one year anniversary in May.

I will enjoy Tahiti. I did quite well as an early adopter of your project, Bitcoin. So thank you.

Always a pleasure reading your posts.

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i swear elwar your such a deceptive person your now pretending you have only been involved for a year and prtending your innocent of any previous knowledge.

your infographic mentions 2040.. and also that your not gonna start for a few years..
i simply done a comparison to another big development which actually complete in a few years. but i tweaked the scentiment to show how things would be different if building WTC1 was told that they wont start for years and wont finish for decades... people would start asking questions.

it really is funny how a 104 storey building can be planned designed and constructed in less time than when sea steading started being a buzzworded.. and where is sea steading today.. still no where near even making its first floor

and i have been pointing out to you that your involvement in this sceme has been for much longer than just 1 year

to everyone else
here was elwar trying it in 2016. to fundrase to buy a boat for multimillions just so his buddies can use it as a "office" so they can discuss for years how to fundraise for their seasteading..

i have looked into this seasteading over and over for a couple years.

all phases you speak of actually do involve needing a host nation. meaning you are not in international waters.
even your scheme has said that
its been said many many times that the choice to anchor down near a host nation is to allow for easy resupply and also not have to deal with the expense of deep anchoring to make platforms and not be hit by the wild tides.

so sorry to burst the propaganda of forming your own country scheme when that was already questioned and ripped apart months ago.

lastly the vessel your scheme is desiring for phase one is actually $25mill valuation. not a $10mill valuation and then $5m for maintenance/repairs and upgrades.

so this $15m magic number the scheme has conjured up, just wont cut it.

im surprised after the community ripped the scheme apart months ago, that those involved are trying to re-invent it again.
seems to be script taken out of the Scientology funding play book. entry fee super low to free your mind and spirit. but then get those invested to pay in more and more and more just to stay part of it, offering ittle to nothing but promising everything if the person just pays a little more

it has been ripped apart before and has proven to not even have understanding of setting up an independent nation.
all that is ever said is that they are not at that phase yet to make a comment.

in short "gimme money first and dont ask questions".

well i have this to say. since it has been many months since that rhetoric was used. im guessing that has been plenty of time to research how you would set up an independent nation (hint: im not talking about a boat or platform structure, im talking about law and politics)

so before money grabbing. explain the process (law and politics) of becoming a independent nation.. lets see if this scheme has learned anything since being ripped apart last time.
oh and here is a hint, dont use comments such as:
"only investors get privy to that info" or "just give us the funding so we can later investigate how".

also. im not sure what you are a co-owner of. can you explain what you specifically co-own as part of this scheme.

To say that there are many "schemes" trying to do this same thing is not true. Marinea has been in the works for almost 2 years in various stages of readiness.

I own shares as a part of the registered Marinea corporation registered in Belize (why Belize? Because we expect pushback from the US at some point).

We understand the difficulty of setting up a nation. That would not come until well into phase 3 when we have a large community living in international waters on a wave protected huge setup. Yes, the first 2 phases rely upon a host nation. It is best to walk before you run. We have not made any claims otherwise. I do not see where you got the idea of that not being the case.

As for the "community ripping the scheme apart", there have and will always be naysayers. Bitcointalk is just a blip of where we have gone seeking like minded people to join us.

We sent a few people down to Florida to inspect the barge and got a decent appraisal of it. We negotiated with the owner down from $25 million to the $10 million or less depending upon full or partial payment. The extra $5 million is to turn it from a fisherman type of setup to a place that is more in line with sustainability and living.

The Marinea corporation would then use funds from the tourism and commerce to invest into phases 2 and 3.

here is elwar back in 2013 talking about sasteading
http://seasteading.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Engineering-Development-Plan_GLP_2012-08-08-alt-3.pdf

At the bottom is the 2012 to 2017 plan which explores energy sources, structures, breakwater structures, modularity/scalability, materials, mooring systems, dynamic positioning systems, and station keeping.

There are several business plans out there including an offshore medical treatment center which would garner about $29 million per year on a ~$100 million investment. They are also looking at fish farm/aquaculture, algae production and processing, offshore tech center, offshore data haven.

Social engineering they have begun interviewing potential seasteaders to get a good idea of the requirements (I personally spoke to one of their reps for about 45 minutes over the phone).

yea they had a 2012-2017 plan tooo.. oh look 2018......... still no float

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