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February 25, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
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That is very interesting information, thank you. So basically, it seems like the scammer use mt. gox as wallet then. That makes it more difficult to investigate this futher.

Or it could be a case of a scammer who hacked into a Mt. Gox account.  (Remember the dictionary attacks recently?)  Mt. Gox may have a good reason to know the BTC are stolen in that case.
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February 25, 2011, 12:39:14 AM
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Wow, we sure expect a lot more of baron than we do of mtgox don't we.  Which is somewhat understandable but come on.

I am just stating what I think is likely.

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February 25, 2011, 12:41:02 AM
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If you got a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

There are reasons to stay under $500 per day transactions per person and avoid more than $10 000 international transfers.....

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February 25, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

I don't know what this is about.

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February 25, 2011, 12:42:58 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...
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February 25, 2011, 12:43:56 AM
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Jed is more than likely a busy man; he might not be addicted to this forum like some of us.

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February 25, 2011, 12:44:49 AM
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on mtgox.com bottom I see: "© 2010 Pongamia Cultivation Institute, SA"

what is that, this is company or what?

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February 25, 2011, 12:46:58 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

I don't know what this is about.

Come on dont be so naive.  



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February 25, 2011, 12:47:12 AM
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Baron,

Pongamia is a tree used to produce biofuel... such institute would probably be from where the tree is from: India.

I normally see him on IRC, I'll look on Freenode if Jed is on.
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February 25, 2011, 12:48:41 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...



The US invaded panama for a reason . Also mt gox has a bank account at chase which is an american bank.


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February 25, 2011, 12:48:54 AM
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Come on dont be so naive.  

Some people just don't know what you're talking about.

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February 25, 2011, 12:49:54 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...



The US invaded panama for a reason . Also mt gox has a bank account at chase which is an american bank.



Jizzz man! You need to stop watching those movies! Or the aliens will pick you up for an anal probe! Tongue

You may find mtgox at Freenode #bitcoin-otc right now, the nick is at least parking there
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February 25, 2011, 12:51:02 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...



The US invaded panama for a reason . Also mt gox has a bank account at chase which is an american bank.



Jizzz man! You need to stop watching those movies! Or the aliens will pick you up for an anal probe! Tongue

You may find mtgox at Freenode #bitcoin-otc right now, the nick is at least parking there

The nick's there, but probably Agent Johnson is sitting by the keyboard.  Cool

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February 25, 2011, 12:52:16 AM
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The nick's there, but probably Agent Johnson is sitting by the keyboard.  Cool

Sorry man, my bet would be that Agent Bob is on duty tonight. Johnson opened that shampoo factory and doesn't work overnight now.  Grin
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February 25, 2011, 12:53:29 AM
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MtGox said:

There is pretty strong evidence that this guy was involved in some theft of BTC. I'm trying to talk to him to make absolutely certain.

What more of an explanation does MtGox owe us?  We aren't the legal system he's subject to.  If because of this we somehow think MtGox will rip us off too, then we may exercise our right to withdraw our balances and discontinue using his services.  I haven't seen Baron make even a halfway credible or coherent argument as to how these accusations don't have any merit

If my MtGox money disappeared, I would have no problem coherently explaining how I got it there, in two sentences or less, to the satisfaction of an attorney, a judge, or a jury.  The whole idea that $45k can't buy a lawyer is nonsense.  I have hired lawyers for plenty of things and doubt I've ever spent anywhere close $45k in my entire life on lawyers.  A small legal fee just to come up with a coherent letter to Jed, cc: in plain view on the forum, explaining in plain English why the funds should be returned would be priceless... if in fact they should be returned to him.  Here in America that would cost no more than a couple hundred bucks to have prepared by a law office.  If that's too much to ask from Baron, well, to hell with him.

If Baron needs to lead us on a wild goose chase and make all this crap about "uh, what's a block chain"... cheers to Jed for doing what he did.  If I were Jed, I would stash that money somewhere safe and keep my mouth shut, until someone stepped forward with a credible claim to it.  It sounds like that's exactly what he is doing.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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February 25, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...



The US invaded panama for a reason . Also mt gox has a bank account at chase which is an american bank.



Jizzz man! You need to stop watching those movies! Or the aliens will pick you up for an anal probe! Tongue

You may find mtgox at Freenode #bitcoin-otc right now, the nick is at least parking there


Its probably more gentle than what the secret service would do if they feel you are threatening their system.

Ask nanaimo gold or the madhatter about these things  Smiley

Its an extremely dangerous and well funded criminal gang who runs the show.
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February 25, 2011, 12:56:30 AM
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If Baron needs to lead us on a wild goose chase and make all this crap about "uh, what's a block chain"... cheers to Jed for doing what he did.  If I were Jed, I would stash that money somewhere safe and keep my mouth shut, until someone stepped forward with a credible claim to it.  It sounds like that's exactly what he is doing.


I don't fully understand what's going on myself. Maybe because Baron's writing are more terrible than mine?

Even so, I am still waiting for information from MtGox.

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February 25, 2011, 12:56:41 AM
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If you get a visit from the mib with a warrant and a penalty of jail for saying anything would you post on the forum ?

From what I know of, mtgox isn't American, so he wouldn't get any MIB visitors. At Europe investigation police wears jeans and jackets...



The US invaded panama for a reason . Also mt gox has a bank account at chase which is an american bank.



Jizzz man! You need to stop watching those movies! Or the aliens will pick you up for an anal probe! Tongue

You may find mtgox at Freenode #bitcoin-otc right now, the nick is at least parking there

The nick's there, but probably Agent Johnson is sitting by the keyboard.  Cool


lol. How do you spell HONEYPOT ?
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February 25, 2011, 12:58:53 AM
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MtGox said:

There is pretty strong evidence that this guy was involved in some theft of BTC. I'm trying to talk to him to make absolutely certain.

What more of an explanation does MtGox owe us?  We aren't the legal system he's subject to.  If because of this we somehow think MtGox will rip us off too, then we may exercise our right to withdraw our balances and discontinue using his services.  I haven't seen Baron make even a halfway credible or coherent argument as to how these accusations don't have any merit

If my MtGox money disappeared, I would have no problem coherently explaining how I got it there, in two sentences or less, to the satisfaction of an attorney, a judge, or a jury.  The whole idea that $45k can't buy a lawyer is nonsense.  I have hired lawyers for plenty of things and doubt I've ever spent anywhere close $45k in my entire life on lawyers.  A small legal fee just to come up with a coherent letter to Jed, cc: in plain view on the forum, explaining in plain English why the funds should be returned would be priceless... if in fact they should be returned to him.  Here in America that would cost no more than a couple hundred bucks to have prepared by a law office.  If that's too much to ask from Baron, well, to hell with him.

If Baron needs to lead us on a wild goose chase and make all this crap about "uh, what's a block chain"... cheers to Jed for doing what he did.  If I were Jed, I would stash that money somewhere safe and keep my mouth shut, until someone stepped forward with a credible claim to it.  It sounds like that's exactly what he is doing.

casascius, you still miss the main point. For what concerns any country's justice the value or worth of the stolen "thing" is zero.
Go on a claim that one stole you 45K LRUSD, 9K BTC or go saying that your neighbor assaulted your Farmville has the same legal value: NONE.
At best qualifies for data theft, but you don't get your "money" back or any compensation... to not even mention you'll probably be accused also of tax evasion, subversive economics, parallel market...
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February 25, 2011, 01:02:38 AM
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casascius, you still miss the main point. For what concerns any country's justice the value or worth of the stolen "thing" is zero.
Go on a claim that one stole you 45K LRUSD, 9K BTC or go saying that your neighbor assaulted your Farmville has the same legal value: NONE.
At best qualifies for data theft, but you don't get your "money" back or any compensation... to not even mention you'll probably be accused also of tax evasion, subversive economics, parallel market...

Here in the US, nah, that's not how it works.

Otherwise, by that same logic, I should be allowed to go shoplift homeopathic remedies and Justin Bieber merchandise all day long  because most people think it is worthless crap.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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