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March 02, 2011, 12:52:47 AM
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God, this thread is still going on? Amazing.

Start to wonder a bit what's the purpose of have this discussed in a forum...

Baron isn't clearly a "big player", otherwise mtgox would be "sleeping with the fishes" by now. But he comes to this forum to do... what? At best this hurts mtgox's reputation. To an extent that makes all BTC depositors really happy with the dealer, but all USD depositors unrest. A shift in the balance of the market? Is that the aim?  Huh

OK. I will do not post any posts anymore because it hurts to mtgox.com reputation.  Shocked

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March 02, 2011, 12:55:56 AM
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OK. I will do not post any posts anymore because it hurts to mtgox.com reputation.  Shocked

Not quite saying that, but the best it does is it... taken you've no rep., so no rep. to win or lose either way.
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March 02, 2011, 01:12:00 AM
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Baron, mtgox claims he has been trying to get you on the telephone.  What do you say to that?

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March 02, 2011, 01:36:45 AM
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Here is a more complete rundown of what happened with the baron account.
Person A had their mtgox account compromised by Person B.
Day1: Person B sent ~3000BTC (the mtgox $1000 a day limit at the time) from person A's account to an address owned by baron.
Day2: Person B sent ~3000BTC (the mtgox $1000 a day limit at the time) from person A's account to an address owned by baron.
Day3: Person B sent ~3000BTC (the mtgox $1000 a day limit at the time) from person A's account to an address owned by baron.
Day4: Person A logs into their account and notices the missing BTC. They change their password and contact me about the theft.
DayX: Person B finds an exploit in my LR code and manages to send himself a good deal of LR from the site.
DayY: Person B steals money from 2 other mtgox accounts after compromising them with a dictionary attack. This is discussed elsewhere.

I have talked to Person A on the phone extensively both before and after the theft.  He had much more in his account than what was stolen.

baron claims that he bought the BTC in question from someone on IRC with Liberty Reserve (LR). He hasn’t been able to provide any evidence of this transfer. I see nothing even close in the IRC logs of bitcoin-otc about this transfer.
To believe baron’s story we have to believe:
1) A thief would trust a random person on IRC they have never met before and no one else on the channel knows to send them $3000.
2) The thief would transfer directly from mtgox to the buyer before knowing how much BTC they would end up stealing from mtgox.
3) baron can’t remember his nick, the thief’s nick, or the IRC channel that was used for the trade.
4) baron can no longer find the record of the LR transaction.
5) baron is unable to talk to me on the phone because according to him he is mute.

baron also refuses to provide proof of who he is or where he lives.

We are left having to assume that baron is in fact person B. baron’s account on mtgox holds less than the sum of theft by person B.


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As I have said previously we don’t want to be the bitcoin police and this will hopefully not be necessary in the future since we have fixed these security issues that allowed Person B to steal from us and other users in the first place.

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March 02, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
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oh my god.

mtgox.com write:
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DayX: Person B finds an exploit in my LR code and manages to send himself a good deal of LR from the site.
DayY: Person B steals money from 2 other mtgox accounts after compromising them with a dictionary attack. This is discussed elsewhere.

"

You mean I hacked your website and not deposited liberty reserve to my mtgox.com account? I can prove you that I was depositing money into your liberty reseve account.


my version:
there not was any "stolen" funds, mtgox.com all this fabricate, why he starts asking only after month?, he trying to steal my 45 000 USD from me. Why he don't going to police?
( because he afraid  and can't ). He know how much I have on my mtgox.com account, so he find out that I was on IRC, so he fabricate by sending me "stolen" funds and grab my money.


I am asking from mtgox.com:

Provide me his contact detalis.
How he operates as corporation or as indivdual person?
I requesting  to unblock my mtgox.com account for 1 day, I want make screenshots of my mtgox.com account, as a proof, what in that account is.
provide me your financial services and markets License.


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March 02, 2011, 02:00:49 AM
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oh my god.

mtgox.com write:
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DayX: Person B finds an exploit in my LR code and manages to send himself a good deal of LR from the site.
DayY: Person B steals money from 2 other mtgox accounts after compromising them with a dictionary attack. This is discussed elsewhere.

"

You mean I hacked your website and not deposited liberty reserve to my mtgox.com account? I can prove you that I was depositing money into your liberty reseve account.


my version:
there not was any "stolen" funds, mtgox.com all this fabricate, why he starts asking only after month?, he trying to steal my 45 000 USD from me. Why he don't going to police?
( because he afraid  and can't ). He know how much I have on my mtgox.com account, so he find out that I was on IRC, so he fabricate by sending me "stolen" funds and grab my money.


It's your words versus mtgox.

You also didn't prove anything. You also have a tendency to forgot the most important details we need to check the story out. How are we suppose to believe you when it's impossible to check if your story is true?

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March 02, 2011, 02:12:14 AM
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oh my god.

mtgox.com write:
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DayX: Person B finds an exploit in my LR code and manages to send himself a good deal of LR from the site.
DayY: Person B steals money from 2 other mtgox accounts after compromising them with a dictionary attack. This is discussed elsewhere.

"

You mean I hacked your website and not deposited liberty reserve to my mtgox.com account? I can prove you that I was depositing money into your liberty reseve account.


my version:
there not was any "stolen" funds, mtgox.com all this fabricate, why he starts asking only after month?, he trying to steal my 45 000 USD from me. Why he don't going to police?
( because he afraid  and can't ). He know how much I have on my mtgox.com account, so he find out that I was on IRC, so he fabricate by sending me "stolen" funds and grab my money.


It's your words versus mtgox.

You also didn't prove anything. You also have a tendency to forgot the most important details we need to check the story out. How are we suppose to believe you when it's impossible to check if your story is true?

Why he don't going to police?
why he starts asking only after month?
why he refuse to give his contacts?
why he refuse to unblock my account for 1 day,that I can take evidences ?



I have all trasactions number , when I was depositing money using liberty reserve ( more than 45 000 USD ) to mtgox.com, I can PROOVE THAT

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March 02, 2011, 02:14:17 AM
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Why he don't going to police?
why he starts asking only after month?
why he refuse to give his contacts?
why he refuse to unblock my account for 1 day,that I can take evidences ?



1. The police can't do anything if you don't provide info where you live. They can't arrest you if you live in another country.

2. Because the account holder notice it 1 month later?

3. There's already contact information on the site itself.

4. I am unaware of how blocking works.

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March 02, 2011, 02:16:07 AM
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Why he don't going to police?

Why don't you?

why he starts asking only after month?
Might have taken him a while to see the connection, or have it pointed out to him.

why he refuse to give his contacts?

Not sure on this.

why he refuse to unblock my account for 1 day,that I can take evidences ?[/color][/b]

Because it'd be likely you'd simply take what money you could and run?


Anyway, the evidence is pretty damning and you have no reputation here, so the case is stacked pretty heavily against you.
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March 02, 2011, 02:18:48 AM
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Why don't yo?  I will, and I am going to put mtgox.com to jail.

Might have taken him a while to see the connection, or have it pointed out to him.   You realy believe in that?


Because it'd be likely you'd simply take what money you could and run? How? there is withdraw limit of 1000$ /day



Mtgox.com provide us all your evidences

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March 02, 2011, 02:21:09 AM
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How? there is withdraw limit of 1000$ /day

And you'd be 1000 USD richer than before you had access to the account.
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March 02, 2011, 02:22:36 AM
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P R O O F


My liberty reserve history:
01/07/2011 02:12    52722343       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $28,616.00    $0.00    $0.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 02:12    52722317       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $30,000.00    $0.00    $28,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 01:51    52721818       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $16,000.00    $0.00    $58,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding




He Is lying to you!

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March 02, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
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How? there is withdraw limit of 1000$ /day

And you'd be 1000 USD richer than before you had access to the account.


You must be joking? 

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March 02, 2011, 02:25:08 AM
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P R O O F


My liberty reserve history:
01/07/2011 02:12    52722343       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $28,616.00    $0.00    $0.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 02:12    52722317       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $30,000.00    $0.00    $28,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 01:51    52721818       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $16,000.00    $0.00    $58,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding




He Is lying to you!


You said you deposit 45,000 LRUSD?

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March 02, 2011, 02:27:54 AM
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P R O O F


My liberty reserve history:
01/07/2011 02:12    52722343       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $28,616.00    $0.00    $0.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 02:12    52722317       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $30,000.00    $0.00    $28,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 01:51    52721818       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $16,000.00    $0.00    $58,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding




He Is lying to you!


You said you deposit 45,000 LRUSD?

I said I have in mtgox.com accout 45 000 LRUSD blocked. I never said how much I deposited.

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March 02, 2011, 02:29:04 AM
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I said I have in mtgox.com accout 45 000 LRUSD blocked. I never said how much I deposited.


And you didn't told us until now that you have those "proof"?

* kiba is confused.

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March 02, 2011, 02:30:33 AM
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Why he don't going to police?
why he starts asking only after month?
why he refuse to give his contacts?
why he refuse to unblock my account for 1 day,that I can take evidences ?



1. The police can't do anything if you don't provide info where you live. They can't arrest you if you live in another country.

2. Because the account holder notice it 1 month later?

3. There's already contact information on the site itself.

4. I am unaware of how blocking works.

1. The police can't do anything if you don't provide info where you live. They can't arrest you if you live in another country. He must, because police can much more than he.

2. Because the account holder notice it 1 month later?mtgox.com says that he received after ~3day from when trade was made

3. There's already contact information on the site itself.where , I only see email

4. I am unaware of how blocking works.

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March 02, 2011, 02:31:14 AM
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I said I have in mtgox.com accout 45 000 LRUSD blocked. I never said how much I deposited.


And you didn't told us until now that you have those "proof"?

* kiba is confused.

Of course I have proof, nobody was asking.

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March 02, 2011, 02:33:34 AM
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so WHERE is mtgox.com he run out again to fabricate something new?

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Baron, at the least, tell us your nationality.
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