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February 24, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
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I offered to mtgox.com solution, I will send him those 3000 USD , and he will unblock my account.
Curently I don't received confirmation from mtgox.com that he is accepting with this solution.

sincerely I don't understand what is going on.

Also Now he is asking me that I send him passport scan.
Can you show me in mtgox.com website where is saying, that he could require identify check,by sending passport scans?
When I registered in mtgox.com from me was not requested to enter my name and surname, or other contacts, only emails.

Everyone must understand that I can't send passort scans to everyone who request. I am able to send passport scans only to banks,police or other serious institution.I don't really know who he is.
Does mtgox.com have any License to manage, require passport scans? Does mtgox.com have financial services and markets License(because he offering financial services he must have one )? I would be happy to see those licenses copys.

I am asking from mtgox.com to give me contact of man from who was stolen BTC, so I could find this problem solution with him.


Do you think you can get away for only 3000 USD and get other stolen money? I think, if you can so easy and fast give up with 3000 USD, then it's really some serious situation with it. Innocent man wouldn't give up with any sum, because he can prove it's case.

P.S. As you say, MtGox have no any License of financial institution, etc, so you trusted him money as is? You had to be more cautious operating such sums and now, you have no other option, than provide scans. So, urgently find passport with your account credentials )))))))))


I agree to send those 3000 USD back because:
1. I don't need stolen funds.
2. I don't want be involved in fraud.
3. I making money from money do you know what that means? That means that until my 45 000 USD is blocked, I don't earn any profit, and I am loosing much more than those 3000 USD. In January BTC rate was about 0.30/BTC, today rate is about 1/BTC  , do you see difference? now you can easy calculate how much I lose, definatly not 3000 USD.

why I deposited "so much" to mtgox.com account?
I don't think that it's "very much" .  How you imagine trading? trading with 100 USD or 1000 USD, how much you will earn profit from such trading portfolio? 10 or 100 USD per month . Maybe it's big sum for you, maybe you live somewhere in africa , where peoples  lifes from 100 USD per month? I focus on big profit, I don't waste time with dealing with small portfolio, because it's time wasting. I better go for walk with my girlfriend.

Also I know that I am not first and not last who operate with large than 10 000 USD sums in mtgox.com.

How I trusted him? because I don't see any signals that not to trust, I browsed all google and I not found any bad word about mtgox.com or somebody has problems with him.

You making me criminal just because I have more money than you? maybe you are robin hood, like in that story where who has money that is bad guy. Yes I liked that story, but it's not real life.
mtgox.com easily can send back money(liberty reserve) from where he received, there is no problem. I will go to other marketplace to trade, but definatly not bitcoin.


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February 24, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
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Not to mention that you would have to be an idiot to keep 45K in an on-line account that has no terms and conditions etc.

I see only 3 possible reasons:

You've a lot of cash, so 45K is nothing for you.
You think you found a great place to stash it (***eediot!***)
You're stupid.

EDIT: Here however there's something I've to give to mtgox. If a guy out of the blue puts 45K on my hand I would be over suspicious either. As a thing we use to say around: «When the dole is too big, the saint gets suspicious»

But mtgox said the transaction involved stolen BTCs, not USD; that's why I can't image how come he was able to collect 45K USD worth of BTC; unless some of it was legit.

Anyawy, I am sure mtgox has a very good reason for what he's doing and have a great deal of trust for him.


I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

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February 24, 2011, 09:55:34 PM
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We have very limited information here, hence plenty of space for all kind of speculations, and mtgox has none to blame for this but themselves. Too bad that this indirectly damages bitcoin reputation and economy, hopefully only temporarily.

This is what I find of concern too.
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February 24, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
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Not to mention that you would have to be an idiot to keep 45K in an on-line account that has no terms and conditions etc.

I see only 3 possible reasons:

You've a lot of cash, so 45K is nothing for you.
You think you found a great place to stash it (***eediot!***)
You're stupid.

EDIT: Here however there's something I've to give to mtgox. If a guy out of the blue puts 45K on my hand I would be over suspicious either. As a thing we use to say around: «When the dole is too big, the saint gets suspicious»

But mtgox said the transaction involved stolen BTCs, not USD; that's why I can't image how come he was able to collect 45K USD worth of BTC; unless some of it was legit.

Anyawy, I am sure mtgox has a very good reason for what he's doing and have a great deal of trust for him.


I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

So how come mtgox said BTC theft was involved in that? Did they mean you got in possession of LR selling stolen BTC?

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February 24, 2011, 10:01:36 PM
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So far actions of mtgox is not really very consistent  with what they should have done if they were acting to comply with usual money laundering regulations. (they do differ from country to country, so I might not know some details and it is not even clear which law is applicable here, costa-rican, US, mythical bitcoin common law or something else). Generally, in case of money laundering procedure mtgox should not have said anything at all on this forum, but they did said a few words along the lines "we are trying to contact him and looking into this".

Again. Not much information available hence lots of space for speculation.


Exactly. I think mtgox should make a statement; and something more descriptive than one sentence.

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February 24, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
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Not to mention that you would have to be an idiot to keep 45K in an on-line account that has no terms and conditions etc.

I see only 3 possible reasons:

You've a lot of cash, so 45K is nothing for you.
You think you found a great place to stash it (***eediot!***)
You're stupid.

EDIT: Here however there's something I've to give to mtgox. If a guy out of the blue puts 45K on my hand I would be over suspicious either. As a thing we use to say around: «When the dole is too big, the saint gets suspicious»

But mtgox said the transaction involved stolen BTCs, not USD; that's why I can't image how come he was able to collect 45K USD worth of BTC; unless some of it was legit.

Anyawy, I am sure mtgox has a very good reason for what he's doing and have a great deal of trust for him.


I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

So how come mtgox said BTC theft was involved in that? Did they mean you got in possession of LR selling stolen BTC?


because someone sends to my bitcoin (not mtgox.com account) account stolen money.

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February 24, 2011, 10:08:23 PM
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I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

Baron, if you want to convince us, I suggest you start at the beginning and explain in detail how you came into possession of large amounts of LRUSD and/or BTC. So far, I don't think you've done a very good job painting a coherent picture.

because someone sends to my bitcoin (not mtgox.com account) account stolen money.

What? That doesn't even make sense. Mtgox would not know that someone sent stolen Bitcoin to your non-mtgox address.
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February 24, 2011, 10:09:20 PM
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Not to mention that you would have to be an idiot to keep 45K in an on-line account that has no terms and conditions etc.

I see only 3 possible reasons:

You've a lot of cash, so 45K is nothing for you.
You think you found a great place to stash it (***eediot!***)
You're stupid.

EDIT: Here however there's something I've to give to mtgox. If a guy out of the blue puts 45K on my hand I would be over suspicious either. As a thing we use to say around: «When the dole is too big, the saint gets suspicious»

But mtgox said the transaction involved stolen BTCs, not USD; that's why I can't image how come he was able to collect 45K USD worth of BTC; unless some of it was legit.

Anyawy, I am sure mtgox has a very good reason for what he's doing and have a great deal of trust for him.


I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

So how come mtgox said BTC theft was involved in that? Did they mean you got in possession of LR selling stolen BTC?


because someone sends to my bitcoin (not mtgox.com account) account stolen money.

Must have been a significant amount of BTC then to get him to freeze your account; plus if you are offering 3,000 USD just to forget about the whole case (I know 3,000$ is nothing to you just like 45,000$ Wink ). But I assure you, I am not in Africa; plenty of people in the UK make less than that per year.

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February 24, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
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I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

Baron, if you want to convince us, I suggest you start at the beginning and explain in detail how you came into possession of large amounts of LRUSD and/or BTC. So far, I don't think you've done a very good job painting a coherent picture.
+1

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February 24, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
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because someone sends to my bitcoin (not mtgox.com account) account stolen money.

What? That doesn't even make sense. Mtgox would not know that someone sent stolen Bitcoin to your non-mtgox address.

+1 no sense at all...

As for Baron to have to justify himself... I don't think these folks aren't dealing with PayPal and regular banks for no reason. That point is valid for both ends, taken mtgox also pays out by LR.
Nevertheless Baron is casting big accusations against one of the "core sites" for Bitcoin exchange, put to stake the whole Bitcoin along with mtgox's reputation. This concerns me... I gave up bitcoin too soon, as it seams, now seams I'm rejoining it too late. *sighs*...  Angry
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February 24, 2011, 10:22:19 PM
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chronology
1. I register account on mtgox.com
2. I deposited small amont of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for testing.
3. I deposited big amount of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for starting trading.
4. I buy some k$ BTC in mtgox.com market, I withdraw some k$ BTC to my bitcoin account, to see how it works.
5. I countinue trading on mtgox.com market.
6. I withdrawing some funds from mtgox.com back to liberty reserve.
7. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
8. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.




At the end:

in my mtgox.com account is 45000 USD, ~2650 BTC.
in my bitcoin account is ~12 000 BTC

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February 24, 2011, 10:24:40 PM
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I don't collect 45 000 USD worth of BTC.   this is USD balance in my mtgox.com account, to witch I deposited funds using liberty reserve.

Baron, if you want to convince us, I suggest you start at the beginning and explain in detail how you came into possession of large amounts of LRUSD and/or BTC. So far, I don't think you've done a very good job painting a coherent picture.

because someone sends to my bitcoin (not mtgox.com account) account stolen money.

What? That doesn't even make sense. Mtgox would not know that someone sent stolen Bitcoin to your non-mtgox address.


You should ask mtgox.com what he know and from where he knows. I don't know.

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February 24, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
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chronology
1. I register account on mtgox.com
2. I deposited small amont of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for testing.
3. I deposited big amount of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for starting trading.
4. I buy some k$ BTC in mtgox.com market, I withdraw some k$ BTC to my bitcoin account, to see how it works.
5. I countinue trading on mtgox.com market.
6. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
7. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

Just curious: in which block was this transaction (6) included?

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February 24, 2011, 10:29:17 PM
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chronology
1. I register account on mtgox.com
2. I deposited small amont of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for testing.
3. I deposited big amount of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for starting trading.
4. I buy some k$ BTC in mtgox.com market, I withdraw some k$ BTC to my bitcoin account, to see how it works.
5. I countinue trading on mtgox.com market.
6. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
7. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

Just curious: in which block was this transaction (6) included?


sorry I don't understand your questions, please ask more widly. what blocks is?

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February 24, 2011, 10:31:07 PM
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chronology
1. I register account on mtgox.com
2. I deposited small amont of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for testing.
3. I deposited big amount of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for starting trading.
4. I buy some k$ BTC in mtgox.com market, I withdraw some k$ BTC to my bitcoin account, to see how it works.
5. I countinue trading on mtgox.com market.
6. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
7. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

Just curious: in which block was this transaction (6) included?


sorry I don't understand your questions, please ask more widly. what blocks is?

We're attempting to verify that the transaction you described happened. If you could also give us the address that was used (since you don't ever have to use that address again), we could look it up that way.

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February 24, 2011, 10:34:17 PM
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chronology
1. I register account on mtgox.com
2. I deposited small amont of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for testing.
3. I deposited big amount of funds from liberty reserve to mtgox.com for starting trading.
4. I buy some k$ BTC in mtgox.com market, I withdraw some k$ BTC to my bitcoin account, to see how it works.
5. I countinue trading on mtgox.com market.
6. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
7. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

Just curious: in which block was this transaction (6) included?


sorry I don't understand your questions, please ask more widly. what blocks is?

We're attempting to verify that the transaction you described happened. If you could also give us the address that was used (since you don't ever have to use that address again), we could look it up that way.


bitcoin addreses:
19n8ogD8imviHn9iZSpmUgdZqjTuDxzDwv
1DVQEpTFjxYpZMVy4Bam9MCxeGEtmMmQCh

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February 24, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
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Baron,

  May I suggest the following:

1. To comply with mtgox request to see scan of your passport (if there was such request).
2. Be prepared to explain origin of of any funds involved with documents to prove as much as possible (maybe not to mtgox but to authorities).
3. Talk to a lawyer in your jurisdiction and in mtgox jurisdiction, whatever it is. First consultation with a lawyer is often free.

  To bad we do not have any coherent statements from mtgox. Even something as simple as "we are acting in compliance with laws of such and such jurisdiction" would better than nothing, but obviously the more factual information is provided the better.

Appalling luck of mtgox public relation skills hurts all bitcoin community.


I am ready to send passport scan to lawyer , but not to mtgox.com , because I can't trust him anymore.
I was talking with mine lawyer he advice me solve this situation peacefully.

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February 24, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
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7. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
8. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

After the deal with the stranger, have you done any BTC deposits to your mtgox account?
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February 24, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
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7. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
8. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

After the deal with the stranger, have you done any BTC deposits to your mtgox account?



No.

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February 24, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
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7. I meet man in IRC who offer me to make deal, he send me ~9000$ BTC I send him ~3000$ liberty reserve (simple trade) minus some fees, I accepted, trade was made. btc rate in that day was ~0.30/BTC.
8. After month after trade was made (with man from IRC) I noticed that my mtgox.com acount is blocked.
9. Mtgox.com starting asking from where I get those 9000$ BTC, I explained.

After the deal with the stranger, have you done any BTC deposits to your mtgox account?



No.

How exactly did mtgox refer to the 9000$ BTC in question, in their inquiry?
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