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February 27, 2011, 03:29:27 PM
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Bitcoin future is not in black or gray or alternative market. Bitcon's future is in white market and general economy. If some black or gray market outfit goes down I will not shed any tears.
My trust in Mt. Gox increases for every post I read in this thread.  He has my full support, and is proving right now that this is no kind of black or grey market where whitewashing or trading of stolen goods is allowed.  My confidence in Mt. Gox has gone from medium (after it for a long time was impossible to get money out of the site) to very high.  He has proven to be on the right side of the law, and acts like I would have done myself when coming over a pile of cash where some are proven to be stolen. 

The fact that the coins were stolen has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt a long time ago.  To prove something in real life with mathematical certainty is impossible, but the attempts I have seen here are uninformed speculations in the line of "an alien stole my DNA and did it in my name".  By the evidence and explanations we have seen here alone, and Mt. Gox has even more, there is no reasonable doubt about the theft or who was behind it.

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February 27, 2011, 03:33:19 PM
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The future will probably bring us e-currencies to replace the current ones, but governments will rush to control them and will want to produce them at their will and not in a mathematically-limited way.

If they will be noble enough to let bitcoin and its rather small economy alone, it's a thing the time will tell us.

But don't go naive on "we can accept whatever we want for trade", most of wars in the past and present were moved by economy.
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February 27, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
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Bitcoin future is not in black or gray or alternative market. Bitcon's future is in white market and general economy. If some black or gray market outfit goes down I will not shed any tears.
Bitcoin isn't "legal trend".
ITYM "legal tender", which means you are required by law to accept it.  You are not required by law to accept other barters, like bitcoins, but there is nothing illegal about it. You can buy milk for butter if both parts agree.  You can also exchange milk or butter for money.  Or bitcoins.  There is really no difference.  There is nothing illegal about bitcoins (or milk), and we should do our best to keep it this way,

Sjå http://bitmynt.no for veksling av bitcoin mot norske kroner.  Trygt, billig, raskt og enkelt sidan 2010.
I buy with EUR and other currencies at a fair market price when you want to sell.  See http://bitmynt.no/eurprice.pl
I support the roadmap.  If a majority of miners ever try to forcefully take control of Bitcoin through a hard fork without 100% consensus, I will immediately split out and dump all my forkcoins, and buy more real Bitcoin.
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February 27, 2011, 03:39:53 PM
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sturle,

It depends on the damage the State believes to be taken. If we all engage direct-trade governments would soon outlaw it because couldn't tax the transaction. They can tax BTC, but that would make it a legal tender and they aren't sure about the profitability of such.

Bottom line; ain't that simple.
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February 27, 2011, 04:10:56 PM
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It depends on the damage the State believes to be taken. If we all engage direct-trade governments would soon outlaw it because couldn't tax the transaction. They can tax BTC, but that would make it a legal tender and they aren't sure about the profitability of such.
No.  You are confused.  The fact that my government put sales tax on everything, doesn't mean everything is legal tender.  I've listed my bitcoins and their value on my tax return, and expect to pay tax for profits and to write off losses, like for everything else.  It still doesn't make it legal tender.  My shares are not legal tender.  Gold isn't legal tender.  Milk isn't legal tender.

Sjå http://bitmynt.no for veksling av bitcoin mot norske kroner.  Trygt, billig, raskt og enkelt sidan 2010.
I buy with EUR and other currencies at a fair market price when you want to sell.  See http://bitmynt.no/eurprice.pl
I support the roadmap.  If a majority of miners ever try to forcefully take control of Bitcoin through a hard fork without 100% consensus, I will immediately split out and dump all my forkcoins, and buy more real Bitcoin.
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February 27, 2011, 04:20:16 PM
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I am new to bitcoin, but this thread now has me hooked!  In appreciation, I offer it my first post.

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February 27, 2011, 04:46:51 PM
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...The State almost certainly means very different things for most posters...

The common factor in all your examples is that the state is the organization within a geographical area that exercises a monopoly on coercion. That's enough common meaning for debates about "the state" to make sense.
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February 27, 2011, 04:59:12 PM
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The common factor in all your examples is that the state is the organization within a geographical area that exercises a monopoly on coercion. That's enough common meaning for debates about "the state" to make sense.

Couldn't say it better...
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February 27, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
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fair comments, ok now another try...

Why are we arguing about the state than at all, the state is just a puppet bankers push in our faces as a distraction. Shouldn't we be more concerned about private central banks than? Politicians are just puppets used to distract the mob, are they not?


So is religion and another "mob dope" alike around... gotta give some credit to the scammer who came up with religions; a scam where the victim just finds out to be scammed after death is more than perfect - no complaints filed and the scam rolls, well, has been rolling for more than 8.000 years by now.  Grin
Politicians are more than puppets to entertain the mob, their puppet strings are mostly in the hands of those private central banks' owners and will do whatever the puppet master tells them to.

But why does people allow this?
Because it depends on "the carrot" they put in front of them. If religions goes by "do this and I promise you heaven", politicians goes by "do this and I promise you security" (yes, the overall "job" of a government is not much different than a nation-wide mafia; Pay your "protection" or they will come to pick you up), bankers by "do this and I promise you money".
In the end these 3 groups are the major groups jumping in your back, the religions to lesser extent lately on the West, and put a carrot in the end of a fishing rod to make you move... you keep moving, never get the carrot, but as long as you see the carrot there you go. Practical...

Illustrating; there you go:



EDIT: I'm sorry to put here "religion", and I'll avoid any "my god is better than yours senseless chat", it's just those 3 groups primarily aims for one single purpose: «control what you do». Couldn't odd religions out also on this one, sorry.
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February 27, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
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ITYM "legal tender", which means you are required by law to accept it.

Just a small correction. Legal tender laws in the United States state that by law, federal reserve notes are valid payment for all preexisting debt. In the case of purchasing an item at a store, there is no such preexisting debt, and they can refuse your federal reserve notes and demand payment in Bitcoin. A restaurant where you eat before you pay, on the other hand, is required to accept federal reserve notes in payment, or allow you to leave without paying, because having already eaten the meal, you are in debt.

source: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx
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February 27, 2011, 06:07:01 PM
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Looks like this thread end with a requirement for every bitcoin-holder to send passport scan to mtgox. By common agreement.
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February 27, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
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fair comments, ok now another try...

Why are we arguing about the state than at all, the state is just a puppet bankers push in our faces as a distraction. Shouldn't we be more concerned about private central banks than? Politicians are just puppets used to distract the mob, are they not?


So is religion and another "mob dope" alike around... gotta give some credit to the scammer who came up with religions; a scam where the victim just finds out to be scammed after death is more than perfect - no complaints filed and the scam rolls, well, has been rolling for more than 8.000 years by now.  Grin

I'm not convinced religion is a scam, but i guess this is not the place for such discussion as such discussion could take months, and still nobody would convince anybody.

Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

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February 27, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
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Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!
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February 27, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
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Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!

You are saying that religion is a scam with absolute certanity as it was undeniable truth. It will not be the truth just because you said so.

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February 27, 2011, 06:29:08 PM
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February 27, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
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Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!

You are saying that religion is a scam with absolute certanity as it was undeniable truth. It will not be the truth just because you said so.

So God will not start to exist just because you believe in it.
Believing in God, aliens, Santa, and so is as valid as not believing.

Still, I'm not imposing nothing. Imposing is a thing most of the still alive religions did and do, with ultimate badass guys up to kill you and your family if you don't believe their delusion. Most are a believe it or else... basis because; god is love (and have ego issues).  Grin
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February 27, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
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Looks like this thread end with a requirement for every bitcoin-holder to send passport scan to mtgox. By common agreement.
What do you base this on?  Mt. Gox is only an exchange.  He may demand identification from his customers, and it would be a requirement in many countries for tax purposes, but there are lots of exchanges for Bitcoin.

Sjå http://bitmynt.no for veksling av bitcoin mot norske kroner.  Trygt, billig, raskt og enkelt sidan 2010.
I buy with EUR and other currencies at a fair market price when you want to sell.  See http://bitmynt.no/eurprice.pl
I support the roadmap.  If a majority of miners ever try to forcefully take control of Bitcoin through a hard fork without 100% consensus, I will immediately split out and dump all my forkcoins, and buy more real Bitcoin.
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February 27, 2011, 06:53:28 PM
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Looks like this thread end with a requirement for every bitcoin-holder to send passport scan to mtgox. By common agreement.
What do you base this on?  Mt. Gox is only an exchange.  He may demand identification from his customers, and it would be a requirement in many countries for tax purposes, but there are lots of exchanges for Bitcoin.
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February 27, 2011, 07:01:01 PM
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Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!

You are saying that religion is a scam with absolute certanity as it was undeniable truth. It will not be the truth just because you said so.

So God will not start to exist just because you believe in it.
Believing in God, aliens, Santa, and so is as valid as not believing.

Still, I'm not imposing nothing. Imposing is a thing most of the still alive religions did and do, with ultimate badass guys up to kill you and your family if you don't believe their delusion. Most are a believe it or else... basis because; god is love (and have ego issues).  Grin

OK, whatever - I do not want to start any new complex discussion here, that would be pointless.

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February 27, 2011, 07:10:50 PM
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OK, whatever - I do not want to start any new complex discussion here, that would be pointless.

Fine for me, and for you not to say I impose whatsoever; keep your faith and rest assure that, as long as you don't try to come over with guns and bombs to show up "god's love", I will not harass or disregard you on anyway for it. From where I stand you, or someone else, are free to believe on whatever you want.
More than that, I'm not up to discuss Mythology either.
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