Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers.

[virtualx]

Why ignore the opposite direction? This is about science. Learn to convince your opponent. Don't know how then you are wrong.

Its reddit, not the scientific community. It's not a scientific forum either.
Reddit is a kind of forum where you ban everybody you don't like if you're a moderator. 
A user won't heave a pleasant experience on that type of forums, unless the moderator agrees with their opinion 

[iCEBREAKER]

Are resources limited, scarce?  Or nearly unlimited?  Is the planet fragile or robust?

Simons presented clear, convincing arguments as to why resources were nearly unlimited.  Erlich argued that resources were limited, and that this would result in massive near term starvation.  We know who was right, of course.

It's also true that many of Erlich's arguments are being repackaged in the form of Global Warming Hysteria.

Right you are.   

Just as Malthus failed to anticipate tractors, Ehrlich failed to anticipate the substitution effect.

Simon's key insight is how human intelligence-driven innovation ("The Ultimate Resource") provides unlimited fuel for the substitution effect.

Today, the ManBearPig hysterics are similarly misguided by simplistic linear thinking, as they fail to account for phenomena such as emergent properties, hidden variables, and disruptive metasystem transitions.

[Spendulus]

Are resources limited, scarce?  Or nearly unlimited?  Is the planet fragile or robust?

Simons presented clear, convincing arguments as to why resources were nearly unlimited.  Erlich argued that resources were limited, and that this would result in massive near term starvation.  We know who was right, of course.

It's also true that many of Erlich's arguments are being repackaged in the form of Global Warming Hysteria.

Right you are.   

Just as Malthus failed to anticipate tractors, Ehrlich failed to anticipate the substitution effect.

Simon's key insight is how human intelligence-driven innovation ("The Ultimate Resource") provides unlimited fuel for the substitution effect.

Today, the ManBearPig hysterics are similarly misguided by simplistic linear thinking, as they fail to account for phenomena such as emergent properties, hidden variables, and disruptive metasystem transitions.

REDDIT HAS JUST BANNED YOU!!! HOW DARE ...

HOW DARE YOU USE BIG WORDS!!! 

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SCIENC!!!!

SETTLED SCIENCE!!!

LOL...

[notbatman]

^ Fighting for the truth against "SETTLED SCIENCE"? You guys got it easy in this thread.

[dwma]

....
Why would I discuss something irrelevant that I said I know almost nothing about?  You only have passing discussions about someone's schizo obsessions, you don't spend a lot of time delving into it with them, yanno?

This debate happened between 2 individuals decades ago. ....

Because Erlich was a major, popular writer.  Book for example, The Population Bomb.

He was yesterday's alarmist,just as you are one of today's alarmists.

And he was wrong in everything he said.

As you could well be.

He was a single author.

He is but 1 person. This consensus amongst scientists is far far beyond that.  (Apparently not "solar scientists" - apparently)

Anyway, it is a huge logical fallacy to equate one guy who wrote a book (however popular) one with global warming because he was an alarmist.

I did google the book a bit.  I'm not sure how he calculated we'd be out of food in the 70s or 80s. We can take on a ton of population by just switching to vegetarian based diets. The level of knowledge in that area 50 years ago must have been horrendous.

btw - Not only could I be wrong, I actively hope to be wrong. I just look and never see evidence or arguments that strike me as compelling.

Wrong again.  Paul's wife Anne (also of Stanford) co-wrote the Population Bomb.  I know because I've read it (and the sequels).

The first time I read TPB I was a child and taken in by their catastrophism.  Later as a young adult aware of Julian Simon I reread it and found their "ZOMG TEH END OF TEH WORLD IS COMING SOOOON!!1!!!1" panic inducement to be quite hilarious.

The Ehrlichs and Simon are emblematic of the neomalthusian vs extropian conflict.  Their famous Bet is famous because it served as a microcosm of the widespread intellectual disagreement.  I love your sour grapes excuses for why Ehrlich lost and Simon won.  Such a sore loser you are.  Typical, but 20 years too late.  

You are trying to tell people who have studied and debated both sides of these issues for decades that your N00B ignorance makes your opinion superior.

Sorry my precious dear millennial snowflake, but that's not how it works.  

That does not even touch upon the underlying scientific and philosophical debate which the Bet embodies.

Are resources limited, scarce?  Or nearly unlimited?  Is the planet fragile or robust?

Simons presented clear, convincing arguments as to why resources were nearly unlimited.  Erlich argued that resources were limited, and that this would result in massive near term starvation.  We know who was right, of course.

It's also true that many of Erlich's arguments are being repackaged in the form of Global Warming Hysteria.

The guy who won the bet would have lost it in many other timeframes.  He basically got lucky. It happens. Welcome to gambling.

Limited or scarce?  What does that mean? Fragile or robust?  Something can be robust against decades of abuse, but not centuries worth etc. You need to quantify this with context for it to have *any* meaning.

Anyway, again you guys are just biased by your overriding hatred of government.  Picking one bet between a couple of people proves little. It is nonsensical.


BTW,  http://www.sciencealert.com/the-north-pole-is-36-degrees-hotter-than-it-should-be-right-now

^^ Lol the other idiot above you called me a millennial. This is always what you guys do. People who argue with you are too young, unemployed,  marxists, or some other shit. The reality is they are simply right. Making up fantasies to belittle your opponent's view may help you feel smug, but you've accomplished nothing else. Let us be clear.

[SgtMoth]

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/14-day-weather-trend/nunavut/the-north-pole

[awesome31312]

Good. To deny the climate is to deny that the Sun exists. This isn't an issue worth crying over Bitcointalk.org for months.

[SgtMoth]

http://www.naturalnews.com/056116_fake_news_climate_change_science_hoax.html

[notbatman]

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/14-day-weather-trend/nunavut/the-north-pole

The folks that pay for this site posted a "rare wolf" advisory directly below the "feels like -33" windchill warning.

BrrrRRRR 

[birareru1988]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

[Tyrantt]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

[Spendulus]

I read Trump ....

is appointing Myron Bell of CEI as the head of the EPA.

[Spendulus]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

[tracktorr]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

Ice age is when there is cold. Now there is warming. To be honest I like more heat so global warming is more like it. And the consequences it seems to me greatly exaggerated.

[btvlGainer]

Don't understand why ban opponents? It is only in a dispute born truth. The more scientists in the world are always welcome debate. Maybe I don't understand something? How can you prevent a person to think otherwise?

[notbatman]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

Ice age is when there is cold. Now there is warming. To be honest I like more heat so global warming is more like it. And the consequences it seems to me greatly exaggerated.

I'm sorry, but we don't live on a globe.

[tvbcof]

I read Trump ....

is appointing Myron Bell of CEI as the head of the EPA.

Ebell looks a fantastic choice at first glance.  Strong property rights advocate which is in direct opposition to 'collectivists' who are milking the 'environmental issues' arguments to further their goals.  Offsets the sec-education choice which, when scratching the surface, seems abysmal.

If this Ebell guy doesn't pour ice-water on the whole climate change pseudo-science it will add a lot of weight to my hypothesis that one of the driving forces behind the scam is an excuse to do wide scale weather modification.  I don't trust that Trump and his minions would be anything but delighted to have and control this capability.

[MisO69]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

If anything saves us it will be the spraying program. Lets hope they can stave off the warming long enough to avoid the coming ice age.

[btvlGainer]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

If anything saves us it will be the spraying program. Lets hope they can stave off the warming long enough to avoid the coming ice age.

Yes an ice age scares me more than warming. Though of course the earth has existed for billions of years and how it survived. Can scientists really making stuff up to get funding?

[Spendulus]

I am sure that the problem with climate change is there, but I'm not sure that this is a consequence of human activity. It was also the times to the people when the earth had periods of warming and cooling.

It's just a little sped up due the industrial revolution and heavy usage of fossil fuel, but yeah it's natural occurrence.

Probably a fair assessment.  Be funny if that "little speed up" protects us from a little ice age that seems to be coming, wouldn't it?

If anything saves us it will be the spraying program....

Spraying program?

What spraying program would that  be?