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April 20, 2016, 05:27:14 PM
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i am not going to pay 22,125$ to get VIP status
Don't see it as $22,125 but rather as 50BTC, now and then.

i would like to donate
You can donate any amount you want to if you feel the urge to donate something to the forum.

they need to update the price
Already discussed each 2 sites of this thread, several reasons speaking against it,
the main ones are 1) it would be unfair to all current donator/vip users and 2) the forum doesn't depend on donations anymore.


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April 20, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
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i am not going to pay 22,125$ to get VIP status
Don't see it as $22,125 but rather as 50BTC, now and then.

i would like to donate
You can donate any amount you want to if you feel the urge to donate something to the forum.

they need to update the price
Already discussed each 2 sites of this thread, several reasons speaking against it,
the main ones are 1) it would be unfair to all current donator/vip users and 2) the forum doesn't depend on donations anymore.
I guess that is true. it would've been safer if they said x$ in btc ya know?. but i can understand not updating it because of current donators. i will donate some btc when i get paid however. i believe in paying for what i use Smiley


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April 20, 2016, 09:33:39 PM
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I think this rule is related to the time that BTC price was not high.
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April 20, 2016, 09:41:37 PM
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can we sell the donator account after becoming donator?If I donate today to be a donator and price of bitcoin goes up,can I sell my account to any interested buyer?

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April 20, 2016, 10:05:21 PM
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can we sell the donator account after becoming donator?If I donate today to be a donator and price of bitcoin goes up,can I sell my account to any interested buyer?
You can, though it would be very unlikely for you to find someone who would be willing to buy it for more than it cost you. Matter of fact, I think it would be very unlikely for you to find someone willing to buy it all together.

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April 21, 2016, 07:30:40 AM
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Do they plan on changing the Donator Status requirements soon? The donator status looks nice and it helps contributes to the forum but $4,418 (as of right now), is way too much to pay for it considering how much 10BTC was worth a couple of years ago.

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April 21, 2016, 07:40:24 AM
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Do they plan on changing the Donator Status requirements soon? The donator status looks nice and it helps contributes to the forum but $4,418 (as of right now), is way too much to pay for it considering how much 10BTC was worth a couple of years ago.
Considering this question is answered on average every 4th post in this thread, I suggest you do some back reading before posting.

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June 07, 2016, 11:54:11 PM
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Do they plan on changing the Donator Status requirements soon? The donator status looks nice and it helps contributes to the forum but $4,418 (as of right now), is way too much to pay for it considering how much 10BTC was worth a couple of years ago.

Theymos is considering adding new ones, not changing the current ones. This is to respect the people who have paid 10 btc, and show that these donators are the "earlybirds"

There will probably be new donator ranks in epochtalk.
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July 01, 2016, 05:17:47 PM
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Sorry if this was asked before, can't find it on two previous pages as well as two first pages.

Someone asked me whether the donator gets special access to certain section. AFAIK, all the boards on this forum is accessible for every users, but well, it is stated on the "donate" tab that they do get special access. Anyone know which section did they talk about?

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If you donate 10 BTC, you can get a special "Donator" title and a green "who's online" color. If you donate 50 BTC, you get VIP status and the ability to create a custom title for yourself. Both Donators and VIPs also get access to an exclusive forum section. You must contact theymos prior to donating if you want to take advantage of this offer: you will be given a unique donation address. See this forum topic for more details.

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July 01, 2016, 05:32:53 PM
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Someone asked me whether the donator gets special access to certain section. AFAIK, all the boards on this forum is accessible for every users, but well, it is stated on the "donate" tab that they do get special access. Anyone know which section did they talk about?
There is a section of the forum for only VIP and Donator members, just as there is a forum for only Staff. AFAIK it's very inactive, so we're not really missing much.

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October 16, 2016, 06:58:11 AM
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uhmmm.....good but expensive

When our rounds comes to 1000 btc/ round,

I will donate 10 btc immediately

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October 17, 2016, 03:29:28 PM
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uhmmm.....good but expensive

When our rounds comes to 1000 btc/ round,

I will donate 10 btc immediately
At this point the forum makes enough money from ads, and has enough BTC saved that they do not have to worry about donations anymore.


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December 05, 2016, 09:16:29 PM
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Still wouldn't it be better if you can donate and get that donator status now ? I mean i see the point people are making here and understand if you change price to 0.1 BTC for example some of the old donators could come buy and say why the fuck i donated 50 BTC lol , but most of them would understand if you change the price (they understand how btc works i hope). Just my opinion...
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December 07, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
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This is funny because I remember back in 2013 wanting to donate to get the status but $1,000 seemed like a lot at the time and it was. I had previously had the chance when it cost something like under $500 in btc so I wasn't going to pay 2x that cost.

$7,500 right now is absurd. No one will pay it. While the forums may not need donations anymore I'm not sure we couldn't have capped it at something like $500-$1,000 worth of btc. I doubt anyone has paid 10 btc since it went over $100. I don't really care though, its just nice to have on a forum you use a lot.
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December 07, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
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Still wouldn't it be better if you can donate and get that donator status now ? I mean i see the point people are making here and understand if you change price to 0.1 BTC for example some of the old donators could come buy and say why the fuck i donated 50 BTC lol , but most of them would understand if you change the price (they understand how btc works i hope). Just my opinion...

As has been mentioned numerous times before it wouldn't be fair to those who previously donated for others to get the same title/perks for a small percentage of the cost. In retrospect maybe it would have been better to peg the amounts to fiat but maybe in the spirit of bitcoin they either didn't want or feel the need to. Perhaps there'll be a different system on the new forum though. I did suggest a while back that more donator ranks could be added and theymos showed interest but not sure whether it's going to be implemented or not. One aspect of what I suggested was a proposed way to combat account farming by having several donator levels/titles with better perks the more you donate and each rank came with a larger-sized signature. Ie donate $5 and get a Jnr Sized signature. Donate $20 get a Senior-sized signature. Donate $50 get a Hero-sized signature etc etc. Each rank would come with other perks as well as its own title (supporter, patron etc).

I doubt anyone has paid 10 btc since it went over $100.

I think someone did pay it a while back, surprisingly:

How about we find the last person who donated 10 btc to the forum and see what the USD value of those bitcoins were on that day, then set the new bitcoin limit to reach donator status equal to that amount of bitcoin today.

Last user who donated 10BTC is fluffypony - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=94840. I think he donated it in April as 'Donate' page was last updated in April. The value of Bitcoin was probably between $235 and $250.

I think this is good idea but it will be unfair if someone get 'Donator' status for <10BTC. So this may not work. Anyway, I would like to here others' views on this.

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December 07, 2016, 05:03:11 PM
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My biggest concern about making 1 BTC or lower a way to get a title is the following:

  • 1. There are people who would abuse their title to take advantage of other users on this forum. (We have evidence of this happening last time)
  • 2. There are people who would abuse the fact they've donated to try to control theymos and/or mods. (We have evidence of this happening last time)
  • 3. Because of #1 and #2, it will make current Donators/VIP/New_Donators look bad.

As long as everyone is very clear about all three of the above, I don't see a problem with it, however.

It is worth noting that although I helped out with a donation last time, even I was a bit aggressive in my pursuit of wanting to get bulanula to be honest that I tried to control how the forum worked, so giving titles to people for donations does not work if they are not going to be humble about being a donator.

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December 07, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
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If the forum was looking to raise funds, I think it would be better to introduce a "Supporter" level that you can reach by donating 2 BTC.

Personally, I'd like to see all signatures limited to 36 characters of plain text.  The only exception being members who have donated to the forum, who would get full signatures.  A new "Supporter" level should be introduced with a 2 BTC donation requirement.  That would raise a ton of funds for the forum, increase the value of donator accounts, reduce the number of signatures on the forum, reduce the value of aged accounts thus ending the account sales and spamming for funds, increase the amount advertisers would need to pay to their signature campaign members, and give users here a way to invest in the site and recoup their investment by advertising here without having to be pitted against armies of alt accounts willing to spam for cents.  I think this would do wonders for the content quality here and rewarding honest members who contribute while at the same time removing the incentive for spamming.

Proposed Donator Levels:
50 BTC
10 BTC (20% of 50)
2 BTC (20% of 10)

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December 07, 2016, 07:27:16 PM
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If the forum was looking to raise funds, I think it would be better to introduce a "Supporter" level that you can reach by donating 2 BTC.

Personally, I'd like to see all signatures limited to 36 characters of plain text.  The only exception being members who have donated to the forum, who would get full signatures.  A new "Supporter" level should be introduced with a 2 BTC donation requirement.  That would raise a ton of funds for the forum, increase the value of donator accounts, reduce the number of signatures on the forum, reduce the value of aged accounts thus ending the account sales and spamming for funds, increase the amount advertisers would need to pay to their signature campaign members, and give users here a way to invest in the site and recoup their investment by advertising here without having to be pitted against armies of alt accounts willing to spam for cents.  I think this would do wonders for the content quality here and rewarding honest members who contribute while at the same time removing the incentive for spamming.

Proposed Donator Levels:
50 BTC
10 BTC (20% of 50)
2 BTC (20% of 10)

This is also something I proposed as a possibility. Everybody only has a very limited signature (maybe something like the current Jnr or Member one) until they donate for a bigger Senior-Hero-sized one. Removing signatures from being rank-based will stop farming almost 100% and have the added benefit of stopping people who have zero interest in bitcoin signing up without at least investing some money in to it in the first place. Also, people who have invested money into their accounts will likely take better care of them ie not post rubbish with it as they don't want to lose their investment. I don't think the amounts donated should be anywhere near the ones you suggested though as they need to be reasonable as nobody in their right mind would donate 10-50btc (nor would it be worth doing so). I think there should be one or two lower levels with an affordable price but with limited benefits and the premium/highest rank should be no more than a bitcoin or so (and be pegged to fiat to avoid what happened with the current donator ranks). Even having it as something around $100 would still be a significant investment for most but any amount will take the money away from farmers and make people take better care of their accounts.

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December 07, 2016, 08:23:46 PM
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I think there should be one or two lower levels with an affordable price but with limited benefits and the premium/highest rank should be no more than a bitcoin or so (and be pegged to fiat to avoid what happened with the current donator ranks). Even having it as something around $100 would still be a significant investment for most but any amount will take the money away from farmers and make people take better care of their accounts.

I agree, but I think that maintaining the current donator levels is somewhat of a priority.  Keeping the 80% step down and having separate levels makes a lot of sense to me.  Perhaps along with the addition of a 2 BTC Supporter level with a slightly restricted signature, a 0.4 BTC Believer level could also be introduced with an even more restricted signature.  It could even be announced with enough lead time to where current signature campaign participants could save their funds for a couple months to pay for their account upgrades if they wanted to continue advertising.

All this assumes that 1) there is a desire to reduce spam on the forums & 2) theymos wants to spend more of his free time on forum fundraising efforts.

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I think there should be one or two lower levels with an affordable price but with limited benefits and the premium/highest rank should be no more than a bitcoin or so (and be pegged to fiat to avoid what happened with the current donator ranks). Even having it as something around $100 would still be a significant investment for most but any amount will take the money away from farmers and make people take better care of their accounts.

I agree, but I think that maintaining the current donator levels is somewhat of a priority. 

We could keep the VIP/Donator ranks as they are but separate from the new ones. Nobody is going to donate at the prices they currently are (unless bitcoin ever tanks) so maybe it would be best to 'retire' them (though you would obviously keep your title and benefits). Previous donators could also be automatically promoted or have the benefits of whatever the highest new rank is as well.

Keeping the 80% step down and having separate levels makes a lot of sense to me.  Perhaps along with the addition of a 2 BTC Supporter level with a slightly restricted signature, a 0.4 BTC Believer level could also be introduced with an even more restricted signature.  It could even be announced with enough lead time to where current signature campaign participants could save their funds for a couple months to pay for their account upgrades if they wanted to continue advertising.

I think a balance would need to be found. They need to be affordable and worthwhile donating for but not so cheap it's affordable to buy on your 20 multi-accounts. Nobody is going to donate for something that is going to take them a year or so to see a return on investment so the benefits need to be there for them to donate in the first place. There could just be one donator rank, for say $100 (or whatever), which would get you a Hero-sized signature (plus other benefits/perks) or you could have several ranks starting from a small amount ($5-10 or so) and going up in a tiered scale.  Things might get complicated or be hard to code for numerous ranks though but having one expensive/ premium rank might price most people out of it (which has positives and negatives I guess, but like I said it's about finding a balance and where the positives outweigh any negatives).

All this assumes that 1) there is a desire to reduce spam on the forums

Of course, and this is something the Staff has been discussing for some time and is why I suggested what we're talking about now. theymos expressed interest in it a while back as well so it's certainly a possibility, though would likely take quite some time and effort to code but I think would be worth it. It would be a significant money-earner for the forum whilst having the added benefit of stopping account farming which is always going to be a big problem as long as signatures are tied to ranks.

& 2) theymos wants to spend more of his free time on forum fundraising efforts.

I don't know how interested theymos is in generating extra income but once the system was coded it probably would be automatic and run itself but if it required any manual intervention the other staff could handle implementing the new ranks to users by whitelisting or whatever after they donated. Even if the forum still doesn't 'need' money it can be saved/invested or donated to charity or something.

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