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January 08, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
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Hashrate and difficulty are starting to rise again, I guess a lot of people are coming back from COYE, or looking for a new opportunity.

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January 08, 2014, 07:22:45 PM
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It's not broken, it's using vardiff, which starts out at a high difficulty for higher hashrate users. If you're a lower hashrate user, as in this case, it will take a few minutes to ratchet the difficulty down, then it will show accepted shares every 10 seconds or so, +/- 30 seconds.

And at any rate, you can't judge a pool's effectiveness by the rate of accepteds CGminer shows without factoring in the share difficulty, as the pool shares will be multiplied by the difficulty factor. That means that even when the difficulty is high initially, you're solving and getting more difficult shares accepted, which count more than quicker, lower difficulty shares--the total amount of work done is the same, and therefore the amount of coins you will earn is the same.
Not sure if I can follow you. I just know, I got > 1k on the other pool within 5 minutes and ~600 on poolofpools after 15min or so.

Anyway, at this diff it's time for soloing Smiley

  Its definitely a decent time for solo mining with diff at .5...    But if you don't want to set that up, there are plenty of good pools.   I went ahead and turned our starting diff down to 64 from 256, and lowered the re-check time from 2 minutes to 90 seconds.   I initially set it a little high to make sure we could cope with launch-day load, and in case I had to restart stratum.   This should update should help a lot for lower hashrate miners.   I.e. a worker that connects with 400 kh will now be at the perfect diff, and 200 kh will only have to be adjusted down once vs 3 times before.

tl;dr:  I apologize, smaller workers are welcome we weren't very welcoming before tho,  I hadn't done all the math to see how bad it actually was.
Thanks for your explanation. This was exactly what I observered - diff went down to 128 after couple of minutes. But even the top miner on your pool with ~2MH seemed not as successfull as equal miners on another pool.
However, I will give it another try once difficulty passes 2 or 3.
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January 08, 2014, 07:59:43 PM
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Seemed less successful?  Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page?  Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config.   We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out)    but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number.  Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that.   Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares.  (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).   

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January 08, 2014, 08:13:54 PM
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Seemed less successful?  Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page?  Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config.   We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out)    but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number.  Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that.   Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares.  (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).
Yes, I compared NDL/day and amount of shares per round. Is 1 share worth equal across pools or is this also affected by the pools diff? Reread your post Wink
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January 08, 2014, 08:27:14 PM
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Seemed less successful?  Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page?  Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config.   We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out)    but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number.  Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that.   Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares.  (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).
Yes, I compared NDL/day and amount of shares per round. Is 1 share worth equal across pools or is this also affected by the pools diff? Reread your post Wink

 I've often wondered if people looked closely at that when comparing pools.  On pools that are having the same round luck, that number will be the same from pool to pool.  To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets.  That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better.  Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks.   And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues.         Our numbers are silly low now, but thats because of that diff swap.  Since all the previous shares were counted at 256 it thinks there should have been 75% more shares than there were.   Ugh, I need to see if I can't fix that, for the record tho, payouts/etc aren't effected, just the stats page.  


for reference, our galaxycoin pool shows that over all time, the shares expected vs mined are just under 100%   but its been having bad luck the past hour and day even.
http://glx.poolofpools.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks

http://glx.poolofpools.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks

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January 08, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
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To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets.  That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better.  Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks.   And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues.

Arrrggg, I'd agree with the statement that they all trend to 100% anyway, there's no such thing as a streak except in our minds - past luck doesn't mean you'll be unlucky in future, nor that you'll continue to be lucky - each event is independent, but over time the tendency to converge to the mean is still there. The reason? Whenever a pool gets lucky, His Noodly Appendage is there touching another pool to spread the luck around.


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January 08, 2014, 10:09:47 PM
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His Holy Noodliness, in a few days small group (hmm, even smaller than all NDL miners) will have big part of all mined NDL. So the future is clouded. Instead I am mining it with...hm...my English...with hope in His Holy Pasta.
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January 08, 2014, 10:46:36 PM
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To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets.  That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better.  Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks.   And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues.

Arrrggg, I'd agree with the statement that they all trend to 100% anyway, there's no such thing as a streak except in our minds - past luck doesn't mean you'll be unlucky in future, nor that you'll continue to be lucky - each event is independent, but over time the tendency to converge to the mean is still there. The reason? Whenever a pool gets lucky, His Noodly Appendage is there touching another pool to spread the luck around.



Yeah...  Its all perception, but that's all we've got excepting gifts from his Noodly Appendage.   Moral of the story, if the pool pays out, over time it shouldn't make much difference.   Another moral, running pools is not easy.   I basically have 2 24x7 on call jobs now, lol.

I have a feeling that things are going to get more interesting around here... Don't give up on this coin yet, its at least 10x cooler than Coinye coin.
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January 08, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
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His Holy Noodliness, in a few days small group (hmm, even smaller than all NDL miners) will have big part of all mined NDL. So the future is clouded. Instead I am mining it with...hm...my English...with hope in His Holy Pasta.

Arrggghhh that concentration in the hands of the early adopters is standard for any crypto, and indeed is the case with fiat money too - a lot of it is in a few hands. Get yours now while the mining is easy!

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January 08, 2014, 11:48:28 PM
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AAArrrrghhh me hearties, it warms the cockles to see yer supporting NoodlyAppendageCoin. New miners leaving Coinye are welcome 'ere too.

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January 09, 2014, 12:33:25 AM
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with hope in His Holy Pasta.

Thankyou for your support me old sea-dog. We'll brave the storm and see the calm blue waters yet.

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January 09, 2014, 07:36:04 AM
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Did you contact  The Flying Spaghetti Church and notified them about the coin? Maybe they would like to adopt/promote it?
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January 09, 2014, 04:28:59 PM
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Me old seadogs, not only is it a holy day this Friday with triple block rewards - we've also got a giveaway running with PoolOfPools to reward miners who spread the hashrate around and go an mine with them this weekend.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=406948

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January 09, 2014, 06:32:57 PM
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Did you contact  The Flying Spaghetti Church and notified them about the coin? Maybe they would like to adopt/promote it?

Arrrghhh the COFSM are like we are here in the crypto community - decentralised, so there's really no-one who could/would make it "official", but I 'as been postin' on Pastarfarian/COFSM forums, facebook, twitter etc. to get the word out. It'd be great if you all could do the same - I'm sure a lot of Pastafarians would like to hear about and use the coin.


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January 09, 2014, 07:20:09 PM
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January 09, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
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I will contact them as well. Maybe they could use the coin for donations?
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January 09, 2014, 08:19:19 PM
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I will contact them as well. Maybe they could use the coin for donations?

Arrrgghhh that'd be great. Thanks. I am also posting at the big Pastafarian group on facebook if anyone else wants to join in - please don't be spammy about it though, just a few posts a week between all of us to help get the word out. Please check before posting in the facebook group that no-one else has done so in the past day or so, and link your posts to the first page of this thread.

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January 09, 2014, 08:45:09 PM
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Another couple of hours to go until Holy Day rewards start with triple-sized blocks.

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January 09, 2014, 08:49:43 PM
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No worries, I will not offend His Noodliness! Just a kind post on their forum to inform the community about their worshiping coin!
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January 09, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
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no exchanges yet?

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