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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9554581 times)
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April 08, 2015, 04:21:04 AM
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How do you prove payment with regular Bitcoin or Dash?

An auditor audits it.

To be auditable, the auditor needs to see  2 accounts - not one. A debit in one and a credit in the other.

If I'm checking a payment I made, I go to the blockchain and see it leaving my account. I also see it arriving in the other account. If I only see it leaving my account then I haven't audited anything and if the other guy only sees it arriving in his account then he hasn't audited anything either.

In the fiat world, the auditor (as far as the transactional integrity goes) is the banking system itself, not some guy that walks into your office in a pin stripe suit and gets to look at your account.

In crypto, that counterparty has been eliminated, so Satoshi did 2 things:

[1] - broke the link between accounts and people so a blockchain address never corresponds to a person, it just corresponds to an anonymous private key instead

[2] - made the blockchain visible so that the entire world could serve as auditor and arbitror of its integrity

Take that away and you've got nothing.

What you've done is take a fiat business model (where every single peice of property of any significance is synonymous with a legal entity) and imposed it on a cryptocurrency (where it isn't). You've therefore given yourself a whole load of unnecessary problems to solve (which is why you need all that over burdening cryptography) while at the same time killing the very thing thats about 100 times more important than privacy - confidence.

With darksend you can't even do that. You have a coinjoin transaction (or a sequence of them if multiple rounds) and one/some of the inputs is/are yours but you can't prove those coins didn't go somewhere else.

Darksend simply improves the fungibility of the coins in your wallet. It's not trying to do what your doing (which is probably why your constantly criticising it). Moreover, it does so pre-emptively, exactly as real world cash does. At the point of transaction, everything is out in the open. It works exactly like bitcoin does. Privacy is already taken care of by the Satoshi model IF the blockchain is fungible enough (not invisible - different thing) which is why that challenge was addressed directly rather than indirectly.


As far as I can tell your problems mentioned are the problems of cash.  You need some trust to use it.  If you want a fully open ledger use bitcoin.  If you want true privacy you have to pay the piper in risk.  There is no in between.  The thing trying to be in between will fail and be unobscured in the end. 

I don't think you understand, in simplest terms, if I may try, if you transact with another person, that one transaction is visible to both parties.  However, those coins do not connect you to any other coins.  Nobody can see what's inside your wallet, only the coins you pulled out of it.  The next transaction you have with another person is the same.  An outsider, can't tell at all who the two parties are unless they reveal or track that information.  It might be revealed in a merchant's  logs if they keep detailed records as to which coins came from which person, but I don't see why a merchant would bother beyond saying "this customer paid".  Then when auditing is done by the government, they could see which customer bought that sleeping bag and what account it came from.  But they still couldn't see any other coins or connect any other transactions to you or your wallet.

Does that help?

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April 08, 2015, 04:27:56 AM
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That was actually my plan
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The blockchain is a bit slow since we have very few people running the wallet


Also deleted the message that was sent to me :-)

I'm just curious mangled, how do coins from a project that no longer has a development team and very few miners still have value?  I mean, are people still buying it?  Just curious what's up??

Also, wherever the message came from, they undoubtedly still have a copy of the private key, so if you don't want them taken back, you should send them to a new address like smooth said Smiley

A funny thing I just remembered, there were people already at least a year ago that were collecting dead coins, LOL.  New hobby, have dead coin wallets with coins Smiley

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April 08, 2015, 04:34:26 AM
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Right at this moment I'd say this is a super solid play:

Snip.


The best way to Exit  Wink
Oh so funny, told at your dev that they have work to do, instead of posting bullshit they asked you to post.
Omg really nothing to do, those pseudo-dev.

Trolleros Really pathetics!
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April 08, 2015, 04:49:28 AM
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hey darkcoin copycats, scammers and schemers just continue licking you scamcoin..

this is opensource, the devs of monero are not work slaves and they can post and trade if they want

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid.
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April 08, 2015, 05:21:08 AM
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April 08, 2015, 05:35:50 AM
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Is there a simple tool I can use to check individual MN addresses to see if they are up and running?  Thanks.

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April 08, 2015, 05:40:37 AM
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Is there a simple tool I can use to check individual MN addresses to see if they are up and running?  Thanks.


https://dashninja.pl/?mnregexp=(XYourMN1AddressHere|XoYourMN2AddressThere|MN3Address)#mnlistdetail
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April 08, 2015, 06:02:44 AM
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I still need to purchase more Dash to build master nodes.

Hopping to have good chance to buy with cheap price.
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Lets dump that DASH !
I wish i had it dumped before  !
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April 08, 2015, 06:59:34 AM
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Mangled Blue and whats the point of your story with these hidden coins?

what do you want to with this? Smiley brag? i dont understand

you dump it or hold it, dont make rocket science with it

as of rest of you... you should be ashamed of your self, sr.members posting FUD like kids... and wondering why your scamero coin wont go UP

every day this thread is going to the oblivion and one day nobody will even try to read it, not only because of FUDers... some of DASH guys are doing the same thing

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April 08, 2015, 07:28:03 AM
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im not busting your balls you are doing that  Grin

dont get me wrong, im not accusing you im just saying WTH  Cheesy

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April 08, 2015, 09:13:26 AM
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Summer is coming. Mine Dash!



Yes, that reminds me, where is georgem ? Can you take over his duties, he must be getting side tracked!  Grin

Dash is 27.3 times faster with syncing and updating than Bitcoin and 93.7 times faster than Monero. Bitcoin (v0.11.0) has a Tao ratio 11.2% faster than bitcoin (v0.10.0) release.
Dash (v.0.12.0.49) = Tao sync ratio = 0.15 seconds / hour of update || Dash (v.0.11.2.23) = Tao sync ratio = 0.24 seconds / hour of update. V12 versus V11 speedup = +36.5%
Bitcoin (v.0.11.0) = Tao sync ratio = 4.14 seconds / hour of update || Monero (v.0.41.1)  = Tao sync ratio = 14.2 seconds / hour of update
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April 08, 2015, 09:43:40 AM
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Shout out to the mods on the Poloniex troll box over the last few days. What a professional exchange. Huh

Seriously though, is this exchange under new management or has it always been blatant in its pump of the month coin pick?

 

Stuff like this makes me nervous to trade there, could be ominous first signs ..

Dash is 27.3 times faster with syncing and updating than Bitcoin and 93.7 times faster than Monero. Bitcoin (v0.11.0) has a Tao ratio 11.2% faster than bitcoin (v0.10.0) release.
Dash (v.0.12.0.49) = Tao sync ratio = 0.15 seconds / hour of update || Dash (v.0.11.2.23) = Tao sync ratio = 0.24 seconds / hour of update. V12 versus V11 speedup = +36.5%
Bitcoin (v.0.11.0) = Tao sync ratio = 4.14 seconds / hour of update || Monero (v.0.41.1)  = Tao sync ratio = 14.2 seconds / hour of update
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April 08, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
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Shout out to the mods on the Poloniex troll box over the last few days. What a professional exchange. Huh

Seriously though, is this exchange under new management or has it always been blatant in its pump of the month coin pick?

 

Stuff like this makes me nervous to trade there, could be ominous first signs ..

Theyr actually one of the best exchanges out there right now....
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April 08, 2015, 10:04:57 AM
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Shout out to the mods on the Poloniex troll box over the last few days. What a professional exchange. Huh

Seriously though, is this exchange under new management or has it always been blatant in its pump of the month coin pick?

 

Stuff like this makes me nervous to trade there, could be ominous first signs ..

Theyr actually one of the best exchanges out there right now....

Depends what coin you're bothered about, I don't agree.

Dash is 27.3 times faster with syncing and updating than Bitcoin and 93.7 times faster than Monero. Bitcoin (v0.11.0) has a Tao ratio 11.2% faster than bitcoin (v0.10.0) release.
Dash (v.0.12.0.49) = Tao sync ratio = 0.15 seconds / hour of update || Dash (v.0.11.2.23) = Tao sync ratio = 0.24 seconds / hour of update. V12 versus V11 speedup = +36.5%
Bitcoin (v.0.11.0) = Tao sync ratio = 4.14 seconds / hour of update || Monero (v.0.41.1)  = Tao sync ratio = 14.2 seconds / hour of update
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April 08, 2015, 10:16:17 AM
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Theyr actually one of the best exchanges out there right now....

...as evidenced by the fact that every second trollbox post is one of your's I notice   Smiley
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April 08, 2015, 10:30:39 AM
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Theyr actually one of the best exchanges out there right now....

...as evidenced by the fact that every second trollbox post is one of your's I notice   Smiley


Where is this river again? I fancy a bit of exploring Grin

Dash is 27.3 times faster with syncing and updating than Bitcoin and 93.7 times faster than Monero. Bitcoin (v0.11.0) has a Tao ratio 11.2% faster than bitcoin (v0.10.0) release.
Dash (v.0.12.0.49) = Tao sync ratio = 0.15 seconds / hour of update || Dash (v.0.11.2.23) = Tao sync ratio = 0.24 seconds / hour of update. V12 versus V11 speedup = +36.5%
Bitcoin (v.0.11.0) = Tao sync ratio = 4.14 seconds / hour of update || Monero (v.0.41.1)  = Tao sync ratio = 14.2 seconds / hour of update
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April 08, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
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Shout out to the mods on the Poloniex troll box over the last few days. What a professional exchange. Huh

Seriously though, is this exchange under new management or has it always been blatant in its pump of the month coin pick?

 

Stuff like this makes me nervous to trade there, could be ominous first signs ..

Theyr actually one of the best exchanges out there right now....

Depends what coin you're bothered about, I don't agree.

Poloniex is one of the best exchanges out there, darkcoin propaganda machine is on a smear campaign against Poloniex..why? because it has a XMR market and the biggest XMR exchange, by damaging the exchange they damage XMR too...
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April 08, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
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Summer is coming. Mine Dash!



Yes, that reminds me, where is georgem ? Can you take over his duties, he must be getting side tracked!  Grin

I'm not capable of taking over georgem's duties at this stage, but I will try to contribute with images occasionally. A while ago I saw him over on the Spreadcoin thread quite a bit, not sure if he still spends a lot of time there though.
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April 08, 2015, 11:24:47 AM
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In case anyone missed it:

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-196-distortions-towards-privacy-or-many-hands-makes-light-work
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