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[eduffield]

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

Well I know a dev working on paper wallets and brain wallets for DRK.  They are unsure on releasing their work to the wild on the idea DRK may be going to use a closed-source model.  That's one example alone of the effect using a closed-source model would have on eco-system development outside of the core dev-team.  Not publicly releasing your code until your happy with it is one thing but to try and patent it and go closed-source is another.  Hopefully the ideas on using a closed model are just that ideas from some guy on the internet and not hints by the dev team testing the water.

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

[overcurrent]

Is there a version of ig0tik3d's cpuminer minerd which will run on 32 bit Windows?

[TanteStefana]

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

It gets drowned out by everyone arguing this point over and over again 

The developer wants darksend to be fully functional before releasing it into the wild so that anything that might be wrong won't propagate in every other coin.  I don't think of it as closed source, I think of it as smart.  Alt coins are all just copy > paste and I don't think there is much thought given to it, so it could mess a lot of users up and in the process, give darksend/darkcoin a bad reputation.  Evan needs to keep control until it's ready, then it will be released open source, and yes, others will then improve on it.  That's what open source is all about.  In the mean time, I suspect Evan will be coming up with other great features for our coin and implementing any improvements made to darksend.

that's how I see our future here.

[mayday9]

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

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[rickraw]

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

This is an awesome response! Eduffield is the man!

[coins101]

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

Well I know a dev working on paper wallets and brain wallets for DRK.  They are unsure on releasing their work to the wild on the idea DRK may be going to use a closed-source model.  That's one example alone of the effect using a closed-source model would have on eco-system development outside of the core dev-team.  Not publicly releasing your code until your happy with it is one thing but to try and patent it and go closed-source is another.  Hopefully the ideas on using a closed model are just that ideas from some guy on the internet and not hints by the dev team testing the water.

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

Wow - I was like thinking of being only 50% in Darkcoins by the time beta ends........might have to up that  

Can the current sellers up their rate of selling please...thanks in advance.

[TanteStefana]

Couldn't this result in darksend transactions being exposed? If someone denominates, darksends, and then denominates again at a later time, the transaction for the second denominate will likely include both the change address for the darksend, and addresses used in the first denominate. This would link the change address to the rest of the wallet, and since there is likely to be only one corresponding output in the darksend, the darksent portion could be identified.

Even if that couldn't be done, denominating the whole wallet together allows anyone who knows one receiving address to identify most if not all of the other receiving addresses. It seems to me treating each receiving address as separate instead of operating on the whole wallet would be a safer, although more annoying, choice.

But I don't see any of that information on the blockchain.  Is there more information on the blockchain that isn't covered in the explorer?

[Lloydie]

Darkcoin is looking better and better.

[TanteStefana]

OK...Please Let's end this discussion once and for all.  Evan has said that DarkCoin will be open sourced... once Darksend is out of beta. The plan is to be open sourced.  I'm am very certain that Mr. Eduffield is aware that this is and will be an on going evolution with many more features to be added with time.  I for one am quite confident that Evan and Ape have taken the time to consider the route they wish for this coin. it would far more productive if we could come up with a wish list of additional features that people would think as cutting edge.  

Great idea.  I'll reiterate that I love the short message idea HammerHedd came up with.

I'll add an idea, Would it be possible, with a click or two, to take part or all of your balance off line, on to a jump drive or paper wallet?  then a click or two to reload when you need it?  Could be called "Banking the balance?"

[Lloydie]

Most likely Btc and ltc will not improve privacy.

Idea: allow Btc to be kept in darkcoin wallet. Allow Btc to be "converted" to drk via broadcast to other darkcoin wallets, who can choose to buy and sell Btc/drk. Ie decentralised exchange. Dev can build fee into wallet to recoup costs if he wants.  Provide wallet to Btc users as an optional privacy tool.

If decentralised exchange too difficult then integrate wallet with an existing online exchange as a first step.

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[TanteStefana]

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Tell me, WHY on earth would i care about anonymous transactions if i wanted to buy Amazon Gift Cards?
.....

I don't know why, I never do anything illegal, but I am anal about privacy.  family members are tagging photos of me on facebook, and I cringe, I freak out!  I can't explain it, but yes, I want my checkbook closed to outside eyes.  

I'm already exposed, I've lost my privacy.  Anyone can find me if they wanted to.  My Sister and Mother use their real names on facebook, I can't imagine doing that, LOL, but I am being worn down. However, I truly think that it's not a good thing.

Why would i care about anonymous transactions?  I don't know, I just do!  It's not the one transaction, but the habits being recorded.  Believe me, if there is a way for marketing people to do it, they'll figure out where you shop, what you buy, what boggles my mind is that so many people don't care!

[tifozi]

I would love for some more merchants and markets to show DarkCoin affinity already even though we are in Beta.

Some of the best projects the world has even seen have prospered even while in beta, some even closed source. It is inherently in our nature to send millions of bytes of sensitive information via closed source email solutions of centralized corporations (gmail was in beta for 5 years), but for whatever reason clonesters cannot wait for this project to go open source citing lack of trust. I'd rather have them come here and say we just want a DarkCoin meme clone and not insult the collective intelligence of this group.

@evan, while the threat of an existing coin adopting DarkSend may be neutered due to complexity, that doesn't mean new forks are not possible by mindless clonesters and that itself will hold this project back for quite some time. Look what Dogecoin did to Litecoin. People underplay it a bit, but Dogecoin absolutely was the #1 reason Litecoin valuation dropped when people saw they could do the same thing in a much more cheap and allegedly funny way.

I am not saying project should be closed source, but please do not yield into pressures from a select few about timelines etc. Let it mature a bit more. In the meantime let us establish some additional goals and targets for this project and set wheels in motion to achieve them, the very first one being what is already going on with respect to collecting funds. There should be pretty big ones down the road

1) Presentations/Conferences.
2) Get white hack hacker certifications.
3) Ongoing tech developments/enhancements.

To those pushing for open source, please take a step back and bring more to the table first via contributions to DarkCoin project. To further assert validity to your assertions, please post open source projects your have contributed to and co-relate that to how you think you will enhance DarkCoin project.

--DarkCoin bag holder of 580 DRKs ---

[TanteStefana]

Ah fuck it. Dark coin should be Voyeur sourced. That way if you want to take a look at the code, you have to be cheeky about it.

       +1

[TanteStefana]

I understand keeping the alpha closed source on a test-net but bitcoind has been in beta since 2009.  So how long is darksend going to be in 'beta'?

Based on all the info I have - not much longer at all - a few weeks at most I would think.
Anyone in the "know" care to comment? (since I've offered my opinion based on reading this thread only)

Gee, it's been in beta about 4 days now?  this is too long, we must open now!  (jk)

Seriously, though, it's not ready.  It's safe enough to invite the public to try it, and that's where it currently is.  I'll guess less than a month to full functioning open source but only Evan and the good lord can know for certain

[coins101]

I ask people to sell [me  ] their coins and people buy more of them. wtf?

This is not reverse psychology 101. Jesus, some people.

[TanteStefana]

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

You can put so much to rest by popping in and writing a few lines, I'm going to store the link to this post and quote it once a day,  

[TanteStefana]

Is there a version of ig0tik3d's cpuminer minerd which will run on 32 bit Windows?

I'm sorry to say that 32 bit will have such horrible hash rate, that nobody will bother to make one.  You could, if you don't mind, run Linux on a jump drive in 64 bit, and then run minard:

Copy and paste into a terminal:

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install -y build-essential m4 libssl-dev libdb++-dev libboost-all-dev libminiupnpc-dev git automake libcurl4-openssl-dev

sudo git clone https://github.com/elmad/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.3-avx-aes

cd darkcoin-cpuminer-1.3-avx-aes

sudo chmod +x autogen.sh

sudo ./autogen.sh

sudo ./configure CFLAGS="-O3 -march=native"

sudo make

Then do this command: sudo ./minerd -a X11 -o stratum+tcp://drk.lotterymining.com:4444 -u You.YourWorker -p Password

lotterymining.com is a great pool

[TanteStefana]

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Super BIG congratulations to elberethz!!!

[cryptogrammar]

this open source discussion is getting ridiculous

of course it has to be open source.

there's this fear that it should remain closed so that no one can clone Darksend for another coin -- that we should wait til our community is already huge before we open the source code. here's the thing: no one is going to use Darksend in the first place if it remains closed source. many of my friends won't even try the beta because they don't not trust the binaries.