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June 27, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
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It looks ok to me. With your data (the not payed):

1Day:
 (107 / 400) -> 26.75%
 (399/400) ^519 -> 27%

3Days
     7 /400 ->  1.75%
 (399/400)^1557 -> 2%
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June 27, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
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That's confusing the way the world ought to be with the way that it is. Google for pos proof of and tell me what the first page is full of. Things don't go away just because they have no good reason to exist.
You have presented a premise of Conventional Stupidity as if it were factual. It is only factual if you adopt it as your own.

It's only so because you encourage it to be... It went away for me when I threw it out. I actively remove from my life that which has no good reason to exist. If everyone else fails to do that, sucks to be them...
Neither Google, nor the unwashed masses, define my thoughts for me. If you choose to adopt their ideas that's your choice. It is not mine.

It is a choice we all make. Try not to impose it on others so much, k? It's that subtle slight-of-hand that causes people to make choices that they don't even realize they are making...

You cannot contribute to the Forest. You can only contribute to the Tree. Thus, there is no such thing as collective wisdom, contributing to society, or socialism; the root of these concepts. This is why socialism fails, and any premise predicated upon it; it's not real. It is the lie you tell yourself to feel good about failing to be better than your genetics.

And before you call me crazy... The line between Genius and Insanity is drawn exclusively by those who comprehend neither.
Every once in a great while I read something that makes me pay attention.  In my age these moments are becoming far and few between.  If I may I'd like to add this to your comment regarding collective wisdom.  Your statement is powerful and I have found that sometimes you have to take it down a notch for the 'masses'.  Just as wisdom is not collective, neither is the chewing of your food.  I suppose someone could chew it for you but if you accept it then what are you?  The action of your hand when it uses a pen to write is not collective.  If someone were to stand next to you and tell you what to write, you have the CHOICE, which is a self evident property of the reasoning mind, to not write it, comply, or to simply not write at all. If you exercise choice, there cannot exist a collective anything. Period.
Perpetual lawmaking is the determination to remove all Choice. What is Love but the Choice to Give it? Those who snuff out choice are the ultimate evil. Collectivism is hate because it eliminates choice. Every time a law is made, a freedom, a choice, is criminalized. Refusal to stop doing that means the actors intend to removal all choice, eliminate all freedom. If not, they would stop and say "we don't need any more laws." But they don't stop, do they? Government == Prime Evil.

DRK is thus far the ultimate in Free Will; choice. It can escape their control, limits, destruction of choice. It can restore what evil "regulates" into oblivion. It's not just money, it's what you do with it. Money is, in fact, the root of all evil, but so few understand why... Because, at the time that sentence was written, all money was government money. It isn't anymore.

This might irritate the anti-thiests, but only a fool discards wisdom because he hates the messenger: Matthew 7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Hence my presentation. Cast pearls to all, but color them such that those who would trample them, or worse, are unable to see their value and they just click "ignore." Those who deserve it will notice. The rest will keep on being dirty animals... AND SELL ME THEIR DRKs!!! OM NOM NOM NOM!!!

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June 27, 2014, 09:04:48 PM
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That pooor one will certainly be me!!!!  Embarrassed

----- SEVEN DAYS OF MASTERNODE PAYMENTS ----
1 masternodes were paid 0 times

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June 27, 2014, 09:04:58 PM
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Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

Well it will vary wildly with the # of current nodes, but presently we have 379. Using that and assuming we have 100% payouts, we get:

(378/379)^576 = ~78% chance of getting paid in 24 hours
(378/379)^1152 = ~95% chance of getting paid in 48 hours
(378/379)^1728 = ~99% chance of getting paid in 72 hours

Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks!!

So using that formula and assuming 2/3 of pools are paying (approx 380 blocks per day): 63%, 87%, and 95% respectively. Thanks for teaching me the formula!

P.S. Making a few more assumptions:
Day 1: 230 payments (average of 40% participation); MNs approx. 270
Day 2: 316 payments (average of 55% participation); MNs approx. 360
Day 3: 384 payments (average of 67% participation); MNs approx. 450?

Day 1 odds of receiving a payment are 57%, Day 2 is 78%, Day 3 is
87%.

So it's not inconceivable that some people haven't received payments. Guess I will be patient =)

Yup, you got it (not that I checked your math). Basically you convert to the chance of the event NOT happening, then compute to the power of number of iterations.

Hmm, I just wrote a script to calculate this and I'm getting different numbers:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/masternode-payment-variance.1636/

Awesome thanks Evan!

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June 27, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
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Money is, in fact, the root of all evil, but so few understand why...

Money is technology.

Fire, Wheel, Money...

three of the most fundamental discoveries humanity ever made. And everytime it was a quantum leap!

Now you can go ahead and call fire evil, or the wheel evil, but that would be just silly... much like it is silly to call money evil.

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June 27, 2014, 09:09:45 PM
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Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)
Well it will vary wildly with the # of current nodes, but presently we have 379. Using that and assuming we have 100% payouts, we get:

(378/379)^576 = ~78% chance of getting paid in 24 hours
(378/379)^1152 = ~95% chance of getting paid in 48 hours
(378/379)^1728 = ~99% chance of getting paid in 72 hours
Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks!!

So using that formula and assuming 2/3 of pools are paying (approx 380 blocks per day): 63%, 87%, and 95% respectively. Thanks for teaching me the formula!

P.S. Making a few more assumptions:
Day 1: 230 payments (average of 40% participation); MNs approx. 270
Day 2: 316 payments (average of 55% participation); MNs approx. 360
Day 3: 384 payments (average of 67% participation); MNs approx. 450?

Day 1 odds of receiving a payment are 57%, Day 2 is 78%, Day 3 is
87%.

So it's not inconceivable that some people haven't received payments. Guess I will be patient =)
Yup, you got it (not that I checked your math). Basically you convert to the chance of the event NOT happening, then compute to the power of number of iterations.
Hmm, I just wrote a script to calculate this and I'm getting different numbers:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/masternode-payment-variance.1636/
Awesome thanks Evan!
Excellent, but it should not be taken as a guide for expectations because it does not represent the network's actual composition. Plenty of bad actors still on livenet throwing that out of whack.

I want to make it clear to noobs that this is not what they should expect until enforcement occurs. Concerned they will read it and then say "Well that's not what's happening so DRK is fail." The pure math doesn't represent reality at this time.

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June 27, 2014, 09:10:41 PM
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Money is, in fact, the root of all evil, but so few understand why...
Money is technology.

Fire, Wheel, Money...

three of the most fundamental discoveries humanity ever made. And everytime it was a quantum leap!

Now you can go ahead and call fire evil, or the wheel evil, but that would be just silly... much like it is silly to call money evil.
Until crypto, all money was government money, open to control, manipulation, regulation; the elimination of choice. BTC was a half-measure experiment. Satoshi's Crystal Ball was very good, but nobody can see into the future to predict every detail, no matter how well he understands the matter.

Unless you're one of those TA Ouija Board guys. They know everything...

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June 27, 2014, 09:13:23 PM
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And this is why you never mess with Senator camosoul  Cool
I resent any association with the concept of government. ;-)

This might irritate the anti-thiests, but only a fool discards wisdom because he hates the messenger: Matthew 7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Cardinal Camosoul. Wink

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June 27, 2014, 09:14:25 PM
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Money is, in fact, the root of all evil, but so few understand why...
Money is technology.

Fire, Wheel, Money...

three of the most fundamental discoveries humanity ever made. And everytime it was a quantum leap!

Now you can go ahead and call fire evil, or the wheel evil, but that would be just silly... much like it is silly to call money evil.
Until now, all money was government money, open to control, manipulation, regulation; the elimination of choice.

...not "until now"... paper money has been with us only for a few centuries... since they learned how to print on paper etc.

But Gold and Silver have been money for 5000 years!

I agree with your message though, paper money equals control. Paper money is the facilitator of modern slavery.
We work our ass off all our lifes to get to some paper money, and the banks just create it out of thin air???
That's the most perfect description of slavery I ever heard.

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June 27, 2014, 09:14:38 PM
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June 27, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
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And this is why you never mess with Senator camosoul  Cool
I resent any association with the concept of government. ;-)
This might irritate the anti-thiests, but only a fool discards wisdom because he hates the messenger: Matthew 7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Cardinal Camosoul. Wink
Lols, doesn't suit me, really, but I have less of a problem with that than Senator...

It is much more reasonable to believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster might have magical powers than it is to believe that the most corrupt human beings to ever walk the earth, politicians, can be made into righteous, benevolent demigods if only we vote hard and often enough... Free Healthcare? Really? It's not the fact that this promise wasn't kept that bothers me. But that there was no way it could ever be true, yet so many people "voted" for it. It isn't voting anymore. It's become wishing upon a star that the most evil of men can violate the laws of nature for the good of those who "vote" for them... It would make a lot more sense to ask The Flying Spaghetti Monster to ban Gravity so that you can flap your arms and fly away... At least there's a chance it might happen... Even if a politician had the power to do good for his/her ignorant worshipers voters, s/he would never, ever under any circumstances, do it.

The socialist anti-theist version of prayer, which they mock, is voting: for something far more absurd...

Vote Early! Vote Often!

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June 27, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
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Masternode status page updated

1) graph page : http://drk.poolhash.org/mnode.html
2) status page : http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html (Update : every 3 min)
    - balance(update : every 3 hour), lastseen/minutes ago , active/minutes added
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June 27, 2014, 09:24:07 PM
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It is much more reasonable to believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster might have magical powers than it is to believe that the most corrupt human beings to ever walk the earth, politicians, can be made into righteous, benevolent demigods if only we vote hard and often enough...

The socialist anti-theist version of prayer, which they mock, is voting: for something far more absurd...

Vote Early! Vote Often!

FWIW I am a politician and I'm HODLing some DRK.

The only reason politicians suck so bad is because there's not enough of them.

By that I mean people running for office.

How bad is it?

I won my position with ONE vote (my own) in a real, general election in a CITY.

Not BY one vote over another, WITH one vote...

There was actually a tie (someone else voted for themself too) and they flipped a coin.

Oh, and what caught my eye was the FSM mention.. I have some NDL coin if you want it, lol.
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June 27, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
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Masternode status page updated

1) graph page : http://drk.poolhash.org/mnode.html
2) status page : http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html (Update : every 3 min)
    - balance(update : every 3 hour), lastseen/minutes ago , active/minutes added


Nice

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June 27, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
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Just a reminder to DRK cultists, pay attention to alts with a shitcoin of no innovation, VRC will go from 6.5mil to 0,5mil marketcap in mere hours!  Grin

Indeed thanks stick to dark!

Please keep the discussions to dark.
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June 27, 2014, 09:38:54 PM
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Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

Well it will vary wildly with the # of current nodes, but presently we have 379. Using that and assuming we have 100% payouts, we get:

(378/379)^576 = ~78% chance of getting paid in 24 hours
(378/379)^1152 = ~95% chance of getting paid in 48 hours
(378/379)^1728 = ~99% chance of getting paid in 72 hours

Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks!!

So using that formula and assuming 2/3 of pools are paying (approx 380 blocks per day): 63%, 87%, and 95% respectively. Thanks for teaching me the formula!

P.S. Making a few more assumptions:
Day 1: 230 payments (average of 40% participation); MNs approx. 270
Day 2: 316 payments (average of 55% participation); MNs approx. 360
Day 3: 384 payments (average of 67% participation); MNs approx. 450?

Day 1 odds of receiving a payment are 57%, Day 2 is 78%, Day 3 is
87%.

So it's not inconceivable that some people haven't received payments. Guess I will be patient =)

Yup, you got it (not that I checked your math). Basically you convert to the chance of the event NOT happening, then compute to the power of number of iterations.

Hmm, I just wrote a script to calculate this and I'm getting different numbers:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/masternode-payment-variance.1636/

The calculation we/they did was the chance that one specific masternode gets payed within a given time.

if I read your script right you just simulated a run and printed the distribution you got. That's not comparable.


edit: ah wait it possible is if you add together the ones that got payed.


Ah, I got my script to generate percentages. Pretty close to yours.

72.25 % masternodes were paid in 1 days
92 % masternodes were paid in 2 days
99 % masternodes were paid in 3 days
99 % masternodes were paid in 4 days
99 % masternodes were paid in 5 days
100 % masternodes were paid in 6 days


I was going to say, I thought your distribution was pretty ok.
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June 27, 2014, 09:40:07 PM
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Mr Stan Higgins, Darkcoin already has dividend paying master nodes network



http://www.coindesk.com/coindesk-mining-roundup-dividend-coins-viper-updates-cloudhashing-giveaway/
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June 27, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
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Masternode status page updated

1) graph page : http://drk.poolhash.org/mnode.html
2) status page : http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html (Update : every 3 min)
    - balance(update : every 3 hour), lastseen/minutes ago , active/minutes added


Love the balance addition. Just curious if it's just monitoring the balance rather than actual masternode payments. Not a huge deal, just if it's the former it's pretty open to manipulation, though the impetus for doing so seems lacking.
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June 27, 2014, 09:44:32 PM
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Masternode status page updated

1) graph page : http://drk.poolhash.org/mnode.html
2) status page : http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html (Update : every 3 min)
    - balance(update : every 3 hour), lastseen/minutes ago , active/minutes added


- balance

that's already usefull to get an overview. Thanks. Smiley

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June 27, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
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It is much more reasonable to believe that a Flying Spaghetti Monster might have magical powers than it is to believe that the most corrupt human beings to ever walk the earth, politicians, can be made into righteous, benevolent demigods if only we vote hard and often enough...

The socialist anti-theist version of prayer, which they mock, is voting: for something far more absurd...

Vote Early! Vote Often!

FWIW I am a politician and I'm HODLing some DRK.

The only reason politicians suck so bad is because there's not enough of them.

By that I mean people running for office.

How bad is it?

I won my position with ONE vote (my own) in a real, general election in a CITY.

Not BY one vote over another, WITH one vote...

There was actually a tie (someone else voted for themself too) and they flipped a coin.

Oh, and what caught my eye was the FSM mention.. I have some NDL coin if you want it, lol.

Don't worry...you will soon lose your way.  Politicians need victims just like liberals need them.  Take away victims and in a blinding instant you render them down to a paste that can be thrown away in any manner one wishes with zero protest.
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