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[TanteStefana2]

We're trending on r/Bitcoin, anyone care to answer them?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gv44m/darkcoin_i_just_solved_one_of_the_largest/

Unfortunately you're not going to get much love there - altcoins get downvoted to hell regardless of content.

And it's hard to blame them - the fact is a majority of altcoins are essentially a scam. Darkcoin is one of a few if not the only that in my mind is not a scam or pump and dump or shitcoin or what have you.

So I'm not quite sure how to change perception enough to even get people to read the paper before criticizing it - but as a community we probably should think/talk about it - because  that will be our next growth hurdle: getting mainstream cryptocurrency attention as something more than a shitcoin.

Change happens slowly.  In 2009 Bitcoin was a "shitcoin scam" as well.  

First produce the tech, then push the PR, and then slowly people will look more closely and see how much DRK really has to offer.  However for the time being, as you say, jumping right in r/bitcoin especially now that they are agitated over the recent dump is asking to get eating by one of those dinosaurs.  

Yes, but on the other hand, we kind of have to let people know.  For DRK's sake and for theirs.  We want DRK to be widely adopted, and we can't hide in our little bubble or else we'll suffocate in our little bubble.  Even if people say nasty things, when they actually look at the evidence, they will have been fairly warned and then they can not complain if they don't hop on board.

[TanteStefana2]

I like the top comment the best:

"I replied to another comment already but just to mention - The darkcoin developer is a public figure since day 1 (January 18th of this year) and has contributed to the cryptocurrency world with quite a few innovations and now is adding one more.
This is one of the rare altcoin devs actually working his ass off and putting his face/name out there and being responsible for his work.
You know when you regret not taking the time to read up on Bitcoin earlier cause you dismissed it without thinking? Well take the time to compare Darkcoin to other coins on the market, it truly has innovation and a dedicated team of public figures."

Very nicely said

[fernando]

We're trending on r/Bitcoin, anyone care to answer them?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gv44m/darkcoin_i_just_solved_one_of_the_largest/

Unfortunately you're not going to get much love there - altcoins get downvoted to hell regardless of content.

And it's hard to blame them - the fact is a majority of altcoins are essentially a scam. Darkcoin is one of a few if not the only that in my mind is not a scam or pump and dump or shitcoin or what have you.

So I'm not quite sure how to change perception enough to even get people to read the paper before criticizing it - but as a community we probably should think/talk about it - because  that will be our next growth hurdle: getting mainstream cryptocurrency attention as something more than a shitcoin.

Change happens slowly.  In 2009 Bitcoin was a "shitcoin scam" as well.  

First produce the tech, then push the PR, and then slowly people will look more closely and see how much DRK really has to offer.  However for the time being, as you say, jumping right in r/bitcoin especially now that they are agitated over the recent dump is asking to get eating by one of those dinosaurs.  

Yes, but on the other hand, we kind of have to let people know.  For DRK's sake and for theirs.  We want DRK to be widely adopted, and we can't hide in our little bubble or else we'll suffocate in our little bubble.  Even if people say nasty things, when they actually look at the evidence, they will have been fairly warned and then they can not complain if they don't hop on board.

Exactly, we can't be shy. We need to be polite and avoid being too abrasive, but we need to preach our cause.

[stonehedge]

We're trending on r/Bitcoin, anyone care to answer them?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gv44m/darkcoin_i_just_solved_one_of_the_largest/

Unfortunately you're not going to get much love there - altcoins get downvoted to hell regardless of content.

And it's hard to blame them - the fact is a majority of altcoins are essentially a scam. Darkcoin is one of a few if not the only that in my mind is not a scam or pump and dump or shitcoin or what have you.

So I'm not quite sure how to change perception enough to even get people to read the paper before criticizing it - but as a community we probably should think/talk about it - because  that will be our next growth hurdle: getting mainstream cryptocurrency attention as something more than a shitcoin.

Change happens slowly.  In 2009 Bitcoin was a "shitcoin scam" as well.  

First produce the tech, then push the PR, and then slowly people will look more closely and see how much DRK really has to offer.  However for the time being, as you say, jumping right in r/bitcoin especially now that they are agitated over the recent dump is asking to get eating by one of those dinosaurs.  

Yes, but on the other hand, we kind of have to let people know.  For DRK's sake and for theirs.  We want DRK to be widely adopted, and we can't hide in our little bubble or else we'll suffocate in our little bubble.  Even if people say nasty things, when they actually look at the evidence, they will have been fairly warned and then they can not complain if they don't hop on board.

We need a PR person as well as a Kristov Atlas available to hire.

Earlier this week I was conducting a bit of a mining experiment with flare.  At one point we controlled nearly 5% of the network hashrate.

Anyway, I digress.  I think there needs to be a fund where people can donate a few duff to ultimately buy in the expertise that we might be missing as a community.  One idea I had was a CPU miner that only mines when your computer is idle but x% of mined blocks goes to the skill recruitment fund.  

People could either donate DRK if they have some to spare or just run an executable on their computer.

What do people think about this?  I reckon if enough of the community used their idle CPU cycles to mine from a dedicated NOMP instance then quite a hashrate could build up.  Obviously there is nothing stopping people from pointing their GPUs at it now and again.

Not only would it be good for the PR and Comms of Darkcoin, it'd be healthy for the network too!

[binteseix]

A Oneplus One Invite for someone in this community!
I LOVE YOU ALL! I'm not very active, but I was here since February.

This coin paid for my furniture, and made me financially independent (not rich, for now...)

Here's a gift for you:
https://account.oneplus.net/invite/claim/DIR9-YBA2-ZEEH-IRXU

Thank you Evan =)

[TanteStefana2]

Great explanation! But in fact it is a bit better than that:

If someone tries to double spend by trying to send two conflicting transactions, only one will be deemed valid by the current group of masternodes and the lock will be in place. That transaction will later be mined, but it is already valid because the miners will check the lock. The one without the valid lock will never get into a block because it conflicts with a valid lock. The payee that did not receive the validation can wait for block confirmations because maybe it is a rare case of valid transaction that has not been validated (rogue masternode or network problems), but he will know from the beginning that there is something wrong and can wait to release goods or services. Double spending not possible

Yah, I was trying to keep it simple.

But I'm wondering if the system can tell if there was a problem (especially for masternodes losing connections -nobody's fault).  Because if the transaction ends up in limbo for an hour, two hours, or however long Evan decides to make mining last, then it could really throw a spanner in the works, grinding some transactions to a halt.  If there could be a robust system, where mining could be sped up.............. but then, I can't see a way to do that......

[stonehedge]

A Oneplus One Invite for someone in this community!
I LOVE YOU ALL! I'm not very active, but I was here since February.

This coin paid for my furniture, and made me financially independent (not rich, for now...)

Here's a gift for you:
https://account.oneplus.net/invite/claim/DIR9-YBA2-ZEEH-IRXU

Thank you Evan =)

I hope Evan sees this.  Congratulations on your success!

[TanteStefana2]

We need a PR person as well as a Kristov Atlas available to hire.

Earlier this week I was conducting a bit of a mining experiment with flare.  At one point we controlled nearly 5% of the network hashrate.

Anyway, I digress.  I think there needs to be a fund where people can donate a few duff to ultimately buy in the expertise that we might be missing as a community.  One idea I had was a CPU miner that only mines when your computer is idle but x% of mined blocks goes to the skill recruitment fund.  

People could either donate DRK if they have some to spare or just run an executable on their computer.

What do people think about this?  I reckon if enough of the community used their idle CPU cycles to mine from a dedicated NOMP instance then quite a hashrate could build up.  Obviously there is nothing stopping people from pointing their GPUs at it now and again.

Not only would it be good for the PR and Comms of Darkcoin, it'd be healthy for the network too!

I think that's a great idea.  I certainly would go back to mining for that purpose.  Right now.... well, I have my family server still mining but not hard and the minecraft server is up and running again, LOL.  But heck yah, I'd do that, and donate all to the fund.

[fernando]

Great explanation! But in fact it is a bit better than that:

If someone tries to double spend by trying to send two conflicting transactions, only one will be deemed valid by the current group of masternodes and the lock will be in place. That transaction will later be mined, but it is already valid because the miners will check the lock. The one without the valid lock will never get into a block because it conflicts with a valid lock. The payee that did not receive the validation can wait for block confirmations because maybe it is a rare case of valid transaction that has not been validated (rogue masternode or network problems), but he will know from the beginning that there is something wrong and can wait to release goods or services. Double spending not possible

Yah, I was trying to keep it simple.

But I'm wondering if the system can tell if there was a problem (especially for masternodes losing connections -nobody's fault).  Because if the transaction ends up in limbo for an hour, two hours, or however long Evan decides to make mining last, then it could really throw a spanner in the works, grinding some transactions to a halt.  If there could be a robust system, where mining could be sped up.............. but then, I can't see a way to do that......

Speculating now, but maybe it is possible to send some kind of message to the payee that is waiting for a validation if the funds are already locked by another tx.

[stonehedge]

We need a PR person as well as a Kristov Atlas available to hire.

Earlier this week I was conducting a bit of a mining experiment with flare.  At one point we controlled nearly 5% of the network hashrate.

Anyway, I digress.  I think there needs to be a fund where people can donate a few duff to ultimately buy in the expertise that we might be missing as a community.  One idea I had was a CPU miner that only mines when your computer is idle but x% of mined blocks goes to the skill recruitment fund.  

People could either donate DRK if they have some to spare or just run an executable on their computer.

What do people think about this?  I reckon if enough of the community used their idle CPU cycles to mine from a dedicated NOMP instance then quite a hashrate could build up.  Obviously there is nothing stopping people from pointing their GPUs at it now and again.

Not only would it be good for the PR and Comms of Darkcoin, it'd be healthy for the network too!

I think that's a great idea.  I certainly would go back to mining for that purpose.  Right now.... well, I have my family server still mining but not hard and the minecraft server is up and running again, LOL.  But heck yah, I'd do that, and donate all to the fund.

Flare is going to run it by Evan and if it gets the nod, we're pretty much ready to go with a mining pool and CPU miner.   I just need to write a few guides on how to exclude minerd from your AV software as it is detected as malware by most AV solutions.

Basically I need to establish:

1)  Does the Darkcoin Foundation see a need for donations to fund testing and Quality Assurance/Management
2)  If so, where does the mining fee from the darkcointalk pool go?  Does it just cover costs of operating?
3)  If 2 is true, then would there be any objections from the dev team and community about setting up a pool that solely donates to a ringfenced fund to be used to bring in people or pay for hosting etc.

We might even be able to structure it so 0.5% goes to paying for the pool hosting and 1.5% goes to the fund.  Any remainder goes to the miners...

[TPN]

Can we see 0,01 by tonight?

[McHammer]

Can we see 0,01 by tonight?

i can predict the future
and i say no

[camosoul]

Can we see 0,01 by tonight?

i can predict the future
and i say no

My Crystal Ball has been fired out of a cannon, into your face.
Yar.

[Propulsion]

We need a PR person as well as a Kristov Atlas available to hire.

Earlier this week I was conducting a bit of a mining experiment with flare.  At one point we controlled nearly 5% of the network hashrate.

Anyway, I digress.  I think there needs to be a fund where people can donate a few duff to ultimately buy in the expertise that we might be missing as a community.  One idea I had was a CPU miner that only mines when your computer is idle but x% of mined blocks goes to the skill recruitment fund.  

People could either donate DRK if they have some to spare or just run an executable on their computer.

What do people think about this?  I reckon if enough of the community used their idle CPU cycles to mine from a dedicated NOMP instance then quite a hashrate could build up.  Obviously there is nothing stopping people from pointing their GPUs at it now and again.

Not only would it be good for the PR and Comms of Darkcoin, it'd be healthy for the network too!

I think that's a great idea.  I certainly would go back to mining for that purpose.  Right now.... well, I have my family server still mining but not hard and the minecraft server is up and running again, LOL.  But heck yah, I'd do that, and donate all to the fund.

Flare is going to run it by Evan and if it gets the nod, we're pretty much ready to go with a mining pool and CPU miner.   I just need to write a few guides on how to exclude minerd from your AV software as it is detected as malware by most AV solutions.

Basically I need to establish:

1)  Does the Darkcoin Foundation see a need for donations to fund testing and Quality Assurance/Management
2)  If so, where does the mining fee from the darkcointalk pool go?  Does it just cover costs of operating?
3)  If 2 is true, then would there be any objections from the dev team and community about setting up a pool that solely donates to a ringfenced fund to be used to bring in people or pay for hosting etc.

We might even be able to structure it so 0.5% goes to paying for the pool hosting and 1.5% goes to the fund.  Any remainder goes to the miners...

2) The DarkcoinTalk pool is for the cost of the forums. (Unprofitable) The mining fee's go towards the cost of the sites.

3) The hashrate of this pool is extremely small. It would absolutely help if more miners mined here instead of other ones. Instead of setting up another pool, this pool could be utilized for such. There would have to be an agreed upon terms and conditions none the less though.

[georgem]

My Crystal Ball has been fired out of a cannon, into your face.
Yar.

And xpool.ca has fired a few DRK into my wallet today.

Thanks for recommending them, it's like afterlife for my "dead" SHA256 miners.

xpool.ca, mining DRK with whatever hardware. It works!

[vertoe]

I created a darksend demonstration on youtube (rc5):
part1: http://youtu.be/grtGRq4jGQc
part2: http://youtu.be/ZKKCWGwi2qo

enjoy.

[georgem]

I created a darksend demonstration on youtube (rc5):
part1: http://youtu.be/grtGRq4jGQc
part2: http://youtu.be/ZKKCWGwi2qo

enjoy.

Excellent.

Hey, you sound german.  
Gotta love ze germans talking english!

Bitte mach auch eine deutsche Version davon. Hat fast nichts deutsches was darkcoin related ist da draussen...

[McHammer]

german for sure yes .

[Propulsion]

I created a darksend demonstration on youtube (rc5):
part1: http://youtu.be/grtGRq4jGQc
part2: http://youtu.be/ZKKCWGwi2qo

enjoy.

I never realized you were so Scottish.

[fernando]

I created a darksend demonstration on youtube (rc5):
part1: http://youtu.be/grtGRq4jGQc
part2: http://youtu.be/ZKKCWGwi2qo

enjoy.

That is awesome!!