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December 06, 2014, 04:25:46 PM
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Thnx quizzy need to take a try.
I've asked for a config in case where there is a protocol change so there is the need of local masternode start..

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Darksend Demonstration by Eduffield

I think many critics of Darkcoin have very little understanding of how Darksend works and why it is better than cryptonote or ZeroKnowledge. This post from Evan from darkcointalk summarizes it very well and demonstrates Darksend for newcomers, please bump every few pages.


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No, check this out. I'll try to find where the source of that transaction came from. This is why Darksend is so powerful, this anon-transaction literally comes from all of these transactions below. There is no 1-to-1 relationship with the original money after the sessions happen. In crypto-note/zero knowledege the 1-to-1 relationship is still in the blockchain, it's just hidden with math (that could be broken later). With Darksend, you literally wipe out the relationship all-together (The ONLY way to prove who sent what is with the owners wallet):

Anon Transaction:
http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/77d2c0b36ae91b6540342b3f8d84045534d03da9278b09bb04f9470f33a1c68b
(source must be e15791d16890d72e64d9b5eb72a37ff2e1fc406b51971d658c872e175bc4f55c)

I used 8 rounds:

Round 8:
http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/e15791d16890d72e64d9b5eb72a37ff2e1fc406b51971d658c872e175bc4f55c
-Possibly funding sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...ac303491f97efb90c718d103031fb4677c8ba6035#o29
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...8d91ec4b37c8890f189ebabc49596ce4597331cc2#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...881bff931e8094690ce214322e60288492d99b855#o40

All 3 of those sources are where the money actually comes from. So to find it's source, you need to follow all three and find their sources:

Round 7:
Possible Funding Sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...8d91ec4b37c8890f189ebabc49596ce4597331cc2#o45
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...239a2cb86443a5cdaae6c6558f748b9eb4c5679a51#o8
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...83229e7cc88179ca30c2cdb252ee3b473fc21add9#o64
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...abee8f1d88681ab02201abe5e584c57a73110f04b#o18
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o30
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...25f97f24c0de5922b522b17ea4903ba76a5b692a83#o5
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...d9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5f617d22933c1bdb6be6897246e4722ac24efba4c#o48
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...9831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o6

Each time you see powers of two, you've found source money:

Round 6:
Possible Funding Sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5d65a4b50f1b917c541729b8165b31a5b819c2d680#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...4aa23d45d1dedea62be2c6f27b6500d496e75044af#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...d9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o10
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5f617d22933c1bdb6be6897246e4722ac24efba4c#o27
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...9831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o4
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...e785a838ad0edf59947ac27aa7a7556dbb66c5a1bb#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...abee8f1d88681ab02201abe5e584c57a73110f04b#o65
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o34
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o19
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o16
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o19
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o58
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...ab4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o2
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...0b44e5104cd75f39d1811425d666d8603900424b5#o80
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o48
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...f9ac17298fb236ed0ec308ea28477ecc0b8253842#o43
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5451865a2348bf077015c66c7362771334d42d6f8#o34
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...32a69ca97a22838052c4c7070656bb66b6d120c7b#o36
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b1a4d87f2418852818d179f5579f0afd7895036a2#o56
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...51da81f7ed7ae53a43e59b284287407c3750f0a1b9#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5afb07a34e1c5b4779e75e53d1563b8c8096ad4325#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...c8828677c86a904ac00e5d287a825071fd65b5de37#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5b0b55187a1ed7bbcf992be4896665abb6a102bf76#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...bb1a4d87f2418852818d179f5579f0afd7895036a2#o9
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...dd9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o6
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5451865a2348bf077015c66c7362771334d42d6f8#o37
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...77cea4bb455ec8d938d392f997b37b0be1feee43b#o47

It gets exponentially larger as you go backwards, I would keep going but that already took 30 minutes to do 3 rounds.

Source Transaction:

http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/a713df7be298ec59470b5ae2ff0e56c57a7d21c7ff6e1e821a3258153fd41663



Good post, bump.

I was reading http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/quest-for-quantum-computers-heats-up/ and it reminded me to bump.


well in general quantum computers will change almost everything in IT.. all the current encryptions will be worthless, so considering this scenario we would have to talk about something else
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December 06, 2014, 04:40:58 PM
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Quantum/Super computers wouldn't do a damn thing to Darkcoin's anonymity through obscurity because there are too many viable funding sources at 8 rounds that it wouldn't be without reasonable doubt. Unless you can absolutely prove that address A sent payment to address Z, you haven't proved anything. That's the benefit of off-chain mixing. Coins that do on-chain privacy where the linkage is unknown due to encryption are the ones that are at risk should a quant/super-computer decrypt the cryptography behind it. Having said that, there would be far larger problems at stake if there were computers out there capable of breaking cryptography used in cryptocurrencies.
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December 06, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
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December 06, 2014, 05:31:51 PM
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Quantum/Super computers wouldn't do a damn thing to Darkcoin's anonymity through obscurity because there are too many viable funding sources at 8 rounds that it wouldn't be without reasonable doubt. Unless you can absolutely prove that address A sent payment to address Z, you haven't proved anything. That's the benefit of off-chain mixing. Coins that do on-chain privacy where the linkage is unknown due to encryption are the ones that are at risk should a quant/super-computer decrypt the cryptography behind it. Having said that, there would be far larger problems at stake if there were computers out there capable of breaking cryptography used in cryptocurrencies.

if you got the privatekey, you can determine all the wallets transactions..
with quantum calculations you could evaluate everybodys privatekey instantly, so it obviously won't be anonymous then..
irrespective of that, btc as we know it today would be dead anyway
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December 06, 2014, 05:39:05 PM
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The .21 version of darkcoind seems to break p2pool node.

Can someone check please ?
I am downgrading to .20 till it's solved.

the message in debug.log is
2014-12-06 17:33:12 partner 127.0.0.1:56198 using obsolete version 70043; disconnecting
2014-12-06 17:33:12 ProcessMessage(version, 107 bytes) FAILED
2014-12-06 17:33:12 disconnecting node 127.0.0.1:56198


Might be that p2pool code needs to be updated ?

Protocol bump:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/onyx-v3-10-17.3141/page-3#post-32442
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December 06, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
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The .21 version of darkcoind seems to break p2pool node.

Can someone check please ?
I am downgrading to .20 till it's solved.

the message in debug.log is
2014-12-06 17:33:12 partner 127.0.0.1:56198 using obsolete version 70043; disconnecting
2014-12-06 17:33:12 ProcessMessage(version, 107 bytes) FAILED
2014-12-06 17:33:12 disconnecting node 127.0.0.1:56198


Might be that p2pool code needs to be updated ?

Protocol bump:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/onyx-v3-10-17.3141/page-3#post-32442

Thank you, solved the 'problem'. Thought it will be something like this simple, but did not investigate myself Smiley

Both nodes up and running.
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December 06, 2014, 05:50:18 PM
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Talk about a smooth update
 
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December 06, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
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Quantum/Super computers wouldn't do a damn thing to Darkcoin's anonymity through obscurity because there are too many viable funding sources at 8 rounds that it wouldn't be without reasonable doubt. Unless you can absolutely prove that address A sent payment to address Z, you haven't proved anything. That's the benefit of off-chain mixing. Coins that do on-chain privacy where the linkage is unknown due to encryption are the ones that are at risk should a quant/super-computer decrypt the cryptography behind it. Having said that, there would be far larger problems at stake if there were computers out there capable of breaking cryptography used in cryptocurrencies.

if you got the privatekey, you can determine all the wallets transactions..
with quantum calculations you could evaluate everybodys privatekey instantly, so it obviously won't be anonymous then..
irrespective of that, btc as we know it today would be dead anyway

Actually, from the reading I've done that doesn't appear to be true. They need you to sign the private key at least once to be able to factor it.

It's explained really well here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Quantum_computers_would_break_Bitcoin.27s_security

Bitcoin and Darkcoin would both work fine in that situation. You would simply store money in a brand new address after every transaction and completely empty out the old ones. It would mean Darkcoin would actually remain anonymous and it would still be completely functional.

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December 06, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
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Darksend Demonstration by Eduffield

I think many critics of Darkcoin have very little understanding of how Darksend works and why it is better than cryptonote or ZeroKnowledge. This post from Evan from darkcointalk summarizes it very well and demonstrates Darksend for newcomers, please bump every few pages.


Quote from: eduffield

No, check this out. I'll try to find where the source of that transaction came from. This is why Darksend is so powerful, this anon-transaction literally comes from all of these transactions below. There is no 1-to-1 relationship with the original money after the sessions happen. In crypto-note/zero knowledege the 1-to-1 relationship is still in the blockchain, it's just hidden with math (that could be broken later). With Darksend, you literally wipe out the relationship all-together (The ONLY way to prove who sent what is with the owners wallet):

Anon Transaction:
http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/77d2c0b36ae91b6540342b3f8d84045534d03da9278b09bb04f9470f33a1c68b
(source must be e15791d16890d72e64d9b5eb72a37ff2e1fc406b51971d658c872e175bc4f55c)

I used 8 rounds:

Round 8:
http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/e15791d16890d72e64d9b5eb72a37ff2e1fc406b51971d658c872e175bc4f55c
-Possibly funding sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...ac303491f97efb90c718d103031fb4677c8ba6035#o29
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...8d91ec4b37c8890f189ebabc49596ce4597331cc2#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...881bff931e8094690ce214322e60288492d99b855#o40

All 3 of those sources are where the money actually comes from. So to find it's source, you need to follow all three and find their sources:

Round 7:
Possible Funding Sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...8d91ec4b37c8890f189ebabc49596ce4597331cc2#o45
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...239a2cb86443a5cdaae6c6558f748b9eb4c5679a51#o8
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...83229e7cc88179ca30c2cdb252ee3b473fc21add9#o64
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...abee8f1d88681ab02201abe5e584c57a73110f04b#o18
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o30
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...25f97f24c0de5922b522b17ea4903ba76a5b692a83#o5
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...d9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5f617d22933c1bdb6be6897246e4722ac24efba4c#o48
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...9831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o6

Each time you see powers of two, you've found source money:

Round 6:
Possible Funding Sources:
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5d65a4b50f1b917c541729b8165b31a5b819c2d680#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...4aa23d45d1dedea62be2c6f27b6500d496e75044af#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...d9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o10
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5f617d22933c1bdb6be6897246e4722ac24efba4c#o27
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...9831ee85aa2feeb87915c30ab7c6d0f4d55b544a5e#o4
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...e785a838ad0edf59947ac27aa7a7556dbb66c5a1bb#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...abee8f1d88681ab02201abe5e584c57a73110f04b#o65
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o34
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o11
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o19
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o16
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...255de19203a29885f48e9ea4c78b9c96132cadbd8#o19
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o58
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...ab4568f2573bbd0a6c84b4934ecda53ee4dda2015e#o2
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...0b44e5104cd75f39d1811425d666d8603900424b5#o80
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...baee38fe01c03cff000cf66c697addc3ef0122b5d#o48
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...f9ac17298fb236ed0ec308ea28477ecc0b8253842#o43
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5451865a2348bf077015c66c7362771334d42d6f8#o34
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...32a69ca97a22838052c4c7070656bb66b6d120c7b#o36
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...b1a4d87f2418852818d179f5579f0afd7895036a2#o56
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...51da81f7ed7ae53a43e59b284287407c3750f0a1b9#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5afb07a34e1c5b4779e75e53d1563b8c8096ad4325#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...c8828677c86a904ac00e5d287a825071fd65b5de37#o0
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5b0b55187a1ed7bbcf992be4896665abb6a102bf76#o1
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...bb1a4d87f2418852818d179f5579f0afd7895036a2#o9
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...dd9e9464a3630665797555df6c59ff847c89fab838#o6
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...5451865a2348bf077015c66c7362771334d42d6f8#o37
- http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx...77cea4bb455ec8d938d392f997b37b0be1feee43b#o47

It gets exponentially larger as you go backwards, I would keep going but that already took 30 minutes to do 3 rounds.

Source Transaction:

http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/a713df7be298ec59470b5ae2ff0e56c57a7d21c7ff6e1e821a3258153fd41663



Good post, bump.

I was reading http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/quest-for-quantum-computers-heats-up/ and it reminded me to bump.


well in general quantum computers will change almost everything in IT.. all the current encryptions will be worthless, so considering this scenario we would have to talk about something else

A proper quantum computer would impact traditional asymmetric encryption algorithms. It would have little or no impact on symmetric algorithms. There are already alternative asymmetric algorithms, but they have significantly higher overhead.

It's not even clear that quantum computers can scale to the level required for amazing things like breaking traditional public key systems. Although in my opinion it's just a question of time, so it would be best to continue to assume the worst (eg, the Bitcoin protocol cold storage design).
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December 06, 2014, 06:18:16 PM
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Please help show OKCoin that we would really appreciate them adding Darkcoin to their trading platform!

http://okcoin.uservoice.com/forums/276410-general/suggestions/6810119-please-add-darkcoin-to-your-trading-platform

Vote it to the top, please!

119 votes so far, 65 more to pass DOGE as the number 1 most popular idea! Please vote if you haven't yet, and comment if you can!

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Please help show OKCoin that we would really appreciate them adding Darkcoin to their trading platform!

http://okcoin.uservoice.com/forums/276410-general/suggestions/6810119-please-add-darkcoin-to-your-trading-platform

Vote it to the top, please!

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December 06, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
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DirectBet has been nominated for the Bitcoin gambling awards 2014.

If we're your choice when it comes to betting with Darkcoins on sports, horse racing, dice and poker, please show your support and vote for us.

Thank you.

Vote for DirectBet, they are great supporters of DRK, may they become the biggest gaming site on crypto one day. Lets show some reciprocity.

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December 06, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
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I'm I just updated to .21 and when I grep my IP I get a :1 but up above someone said that this is a protocol update. Does this mean that a masternode start is required in the cold wallet? Also, how often does drk.mn update? It's still showing mine as .19.

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December 06, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
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I'm I just updated to .21 and when I grep my IP I get a :1 but up above someone said that this is a protocol update. Does this mean that a masternode start is required in the cold wallet? Also, how often does drk.mn update? It's still showing mine as .19.

It's NOT a protocol update. A local wallet restart is not needed.

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December 06, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
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Please help show OKCoin that we would really appreciate them adding Darkcoin to their trading platform!

http://okcoin.uservoice.com/forums/276410-general/suggestions/6810119-please-add-darkcoin-to-your-trading-platform

Vote it to the top, please!

Update: This idea is now "Under Review"! Keep those votes coming!

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December 06, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
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I'm I just updated to .21 and when I grep my IP I get a :1 but up above someone said that this is a protocol update. Does this mean that a masternode start is required in the cold wallet? Also, how often does drk.mn update? It's still showing mine as .19.

It's NOT a protocol update. A local wallet restart is not needed.
Okay, thanks!

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December 06, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
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Also, how often does drk.mn update?
There's a timer right after port state.
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December 06, 2014, 07:31:53 PM
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I'm I just updated to .21 and when I grep my IP I get a :1 but up above someone said that this is a protocol update. Does this mean that a masternode start is required in the cold wallet? Also, how often does drk.mn update? It's still showing mine as .19.

It's a protocol update from 10.16.16 to 10.17.19. From 19 to 21, it's the same.
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December 06, 2014, 07:49:59 PM
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...

in target of shortcut :
D:\DarkcoinMN\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=D:\DarkcoinMNData -wallet=XXXX
Blockchain will be in specific location on different drive (D drive in this case) using commandline -datadir
wallet.dat needs to be renamed as XXXX to work..



Yes, someone can start his multiple masternodes with different shortcuts

Shortcut1 target - C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=D:\Darkcoin -conf=mn1.conf -wallet=mn1.dat
Shortcut2 target - C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=D:\Darkcoin -conf=mn2.conf -wallet=mn2.dat
Shortcut3 target - C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=D:\Darkcoin -conf=mn3.conf -wallet=mn3.dat

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Where mn1, mn2, mn3.dat.. are the masternode wallets and mn1, mn2, mn3.conf are their config files.
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