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[wozzek23]

A MN flare runs for me dropped. He has not replied yet - I guess he's busy - but I am curious. After the node dropped I deleted peers.dat (as he told me to do it last time it dropped), started the wallet again, and tried a masternode start.

It gave me: Parse error: unbalanced ' or "
I successfully changed the password but the a message after a masternode start this time was: not capable masternode: Unknown.

Any idea what that means? Not that I worry, but in the ADD world I occupy, if flare does not respond in five minutes i start scouring the Net for answers. Than it downed on me, you guys know these thingies so please explain this issue to a poor n00b like myself...

[eduffield]

A MN flare runs for me dropped. He has not replied yet - I guess he's busy - but I am curious. After the node dropped I deleted peers.dat (as he told me to do it last time it dropped), started the wallet again, and tried a masternode start.

It gave me: Parse error: unbalanced ' or "
I successfully changed the password but the a message after a masternode start this time was: not capable masternode: Unknown.

Any idea what that means? Not that I worry, but in the ADD world I occupy, if flare does not respond in five minutes i start scouring the Net for answers. Than it downed on me, you guys know these thingies so please explain this issue to a poor n00b like myself...

Try using these binaries and let me know if it works: https://github.com/darkcoinproject/darkcoin-binaries/tree/4e12da9add6bedebf4f12cff0efe1a6b940df9c3

[jdebunt]

We covered most of these things already, but it felt like an opportune time to remind people about the plans for the next DRK client :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/darkcoin-development-roadmap-for-early-2015

[OnetyOne]

We covered most of these things already, but it felt like an opportune time to remind people about the plans for the next DRK client :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/darkcoin-development-roadmap-for-early-2015

Thanks for quick update, musta missed that

[stonehedge]

A MN flare runs for me dropped. He has not replied yet - I guess he's busy - but I am curious. After the node dropped I deleted peers.dat (as he told me to do it last time it dropped), started the wallet again, and tried a masternode start.

It gave me: Parse error: unbalanced ' or "
I successfully changed the password but the a message after a masternode start this time was: not capable masternode: Unknown.

Any idea what that means? Not that I worry, but in the ADD world I occupy, if flare does not respond in five minutes i start scouring the Net for answers. Than it downed on me, you guys know these thingies so please explain this issue to a poor n00b like myself...

Flare is online on DCT now.  I guess he is busy with .24 upgrades though.  He'll be in touch with you as soon as he can...

[stonehedge]

A MN flare runs for me dropped. He has not replied yet - I guess he's busy - but I am curious. After the node dropped I deleted peers.dat (as he told me to do it last time it dropped), started the wallet again, and tried a masternode start.

It gave me: Parse error: unbalanced ' or "
I successfully changed the password but the a message after a masternode start this time was: not capable masternode: Unknown.

Any idea what that means? Not that I worry, but in the ADD world I occupy, if flare does not respond in five minutes i start scouring the Net for answers. Than it downed on me, you guys know these thingies so please explain this issue to a poor n00b like myself...

Flare is online on DCT now.  I guess he is busy with .24 upgrades though.  He'll be in touch with you as soon as he can...

And hey, you might not have got a response from flare in five minutes but the big boss man himself replied instead 

[wozzek23]

A MN flare runs for me dropped. He has not replied yet - I guess he's busy - but I am curious. After the node dropped I deleted peers.dat (as he told me to do it last time it dropped), started the wallet again, and tried a masternode start.

It gave me: Parse error: unbalanced ' or "
I successfully changed the password but the a message after a masternode start this time was: not capable masternode: Unknown.

Any idea what that means? Not that I worry, but in the ADD world I occupy, if flare does not respond in five minutes i start scouring the Net for answers. Than it downed on me, you guys know these thingies so please explain this issue to a poor n00b like myself...

Flare is online on DCT now.  I guess he is busy with .24 upgrades though.  He'll be in touch with you as soon as he can...

Sure, as I stated, I have less than zero problems with flare - he's a Darkcoin's treasure. But I was curious... and yes, he's there now, with a flu and has to deal with a n00b like me

[AlexGR]

darkcoin finally getting real code review.  

Tens of bugs and vulnerabilities have been found in prior reviews. It will take some more time (and more eyes) to make it bulletproof.

Personally I think the whole Masternode payment system should be replaced by another cleaner system that works at the protocol level. No enforcement or centralization would be necessary, while eliminating forking risk.

Perhaps the spreadcoin dev might want to have a go at such a system.

Cleaner?? protocol level? What centralisation?  Whats clean about thousands of clients going on and off every second while trying to maintain rounds of anonymity? That would juts cause mayhem. What is unclean about blind nodes with 100% uptime? And what about PoService?

 I dont get it.

I don't remember when you got on board, but prior to the semi-voluntary scheme of payments with enforcement threat, there was a direction of mandatory payments (100%) with no enforcement needed whatsoever. Unfortunately it caused forks in the production environment so then we got to a situation where some people were calling for no hard forks, others were in favor to get the job done - even if it includes a few more problematic forks as a byproduct etc etc. Then we got the spork and the rest is history.

There was NEVER a semi-voluntary scheme of payment. There was, on the other hand, a friendly suggestion to update clients to follow the development roadmap.

See, you've got your facts wrong. RC2, RC3 and RC5 and RC5 were all hard forks, which went wrong due lack of network reconciliation. Twice reconciliation was well underway, but Evan decided (quite responsibly) to pull the plug for the sake of taking a step back and making the code more resilient. Then the spork was invented, and yes, the rest was history. With every "blow", DRK gained exponential development. Necessity is the mother of invention.

And then we found evidence of foul play by some pools (which shall not be named). Pools are centralised, not MN's.

Decentralisation increases with each new MN going online.

I think we have a definition problem here. What I mean by semi-voluntary is the fact that the possibility of "foul play" is even possible.

The normal design should be in a way where if one attempts to cheat, he would be ousted by the networked / forked by himself. No going around "oh please pool X, update so that you pay 20% instead of 10% or 0%".

That's, IMO, where the project should be headed. I always regarded the current payment scheme as a temp fix* and thus bugs in it do not really concern me - as it is known to be suboptimal as a solution that should eventually be replaced with a cleaner and more robust system where the pools have zero power to cheat or not comply without forking themselves out (and which is not dependent on enforcement).

* Necessary to proceed with DarkSend development because anonymity got behind schedule after 2 months of development on the masternode payment protocol (May-June).

[TanteStefana2]

RE: other coins with "great developers":

After what happened at moolah and Alex Green (AKA, whatever) I'm not comfortable with an anonymous developer.  No offence Mr. Spread, but that incident has opened my eyes.  I'll be much more cautious from now on.

Edit:  Not you AlexGR ^^^  LOL

[qwizzie]

some bot really likes the 0.00161 price on cryptsy...

edit : oops.. not price but the amount i ment, all these small amounts that its buying constantly.
a bot buy frenzy at work i guess.

edit : seems to have stopped now.

[onetime]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

[anonymousxx1503]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

Awesome! Let me give you some views! https://twitter.com/darkcoinnews/status/544940799176491008

edit: Haven't checked in a while but I have 1700+ followers, awesome.

[onetime]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

Awesome! Let me give you some views! https://twitter.com/darkcoinnews/status/544940799176491008
edit: Haven't checked in a while but I have 1700+ followers, awesome.

well thanks!, but can we put the video on Darkcoin's youtube channel so I can remove it from my personal youtube channel? and can someone please put the file I made somewhere else so it's not on my website? thank you!

-onetime

[GhostPlayer]

I think we have a definition problem here. What I mean by semi-voluntary is the fact that the possibility of "foul play" is even possible.

The normal design should be in a way where if one attempts to cheat, he would be ousted by the networked / forked by himself. No going around "oh please pool X, update so that you pay 20% instead of 10% or 0%".

That's, IMO, where the project should be headed. I always regarded the current payment scheme as a temp fix* and thus bugs in it do not really concern me - as it is known to be suboptimal as a solution that should eventually be replaced with a cleaner and more robust system where the pools have zero power to cheat or not comply without forking themselves out (and which is not dependent on enforcement).

* Necessary to proceed with DarkSend development because anonymity got behind schedule after 2 months of development on the masternode payment protocol (May-June).

 I dont really understand where you come from. MN payments is the core part of the idea behind the PoService and subsequent positive price feedback loop. If it werent for that and MN owners strong hands, we might definitely be down in the list of alt.coins. The whole point is to attract investors into providing a service and gaining revenue from it. In the same line as miners are incentivised for their work and electricity and gear.

 If anyone forks out of existence, people are welcome and free to continue supporting that fork with that given protocol. Poeple who believe in a project will naturally follow it, its the nature of open source. There is a natural imbalance between pure profit pools (0% pay for instant profit) vs more sophisticated pools who understand how much more they will gain in the long run if they do support the development roadmap making the network stronger. And not every pool is liable for not doing X updates a week month. It is a bloody hassle, there I do get you. But it is what it is. DRK is not 1 year old! I dont see anything bad about being polite and warning pools about updating, especially if there is a hard fork involved.

Even though MN payout has gone from 10% to 30%, basically DRK price has consolidated, and not at all following BTC. 99% of altcoins went to crap, DRK still holds its own. Miners are still making the same revenue when paired with FIAT, which is the majority of their concern.

Where is that "...cleaner more  robust system where pools have zero power to cheat or not comply without forking...not dependent on enforcement...." - ? That just cant be done because if its not enforced, by definition they're free to not comply! The best thing ever is the spork itself! If they dont comply and screw the network, we can roll back safely no harm done to anyone, and back to the drawing board. This is a first in the crypto world and works like magic.

Call me biased, but I see DRK's reward solution quite elegant if not brilliant.

[sangoku]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

Wouahhhhh, thank you very much ;-)

[balu]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

Awesome! Let me give you some views! https://twitter.com/darkcoinnews/status/544940799176491008
edit: Haven't checked in a while but I have 1700+ followers, awesome.

well thanks!, but can we put the video on Darkcoin's youtube channel so I can remove it from my personal youtube channel? and can someone please put the file I made http://www.badbeatbag.com/darkcoinstuff/darkcoinstuff.zip somewhere else so it's not on my website? thank you!

-onetime

There you go: http://darkcoin.guide/data/how_to_setup_and_update_masternodes.zip

[GhostPlayer]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

 Well done!! Haven't seen it but cheers anyways!

 There was a bounty for this! Don't know if it has been claimed yet! 

[AlexGR]

Where is that "...cleaner more  robust system where pools have zero power to cheat or not comply without forking...not dependent on enforcement...." - ? That just cant be done because if its not enforced, by definition they're free to not comply! The best thing ever is the spork itself! If they dont comply and screw the network, we can roll back safely no harm done to anyone, and back to the drawing board. This is a first in the crypto world and works like magic.

Call me biased, but I see DRK's reward solution quite elegant if not brilliant.

Initially (RC2/3) the protocol would ensure 100% compliance through a voting mechanism. The implementation had issues and it led to sporadic forks - and it was difficult to fix these issues due to the time required and the market pressure during the pump period of May/June.

Then, as a workaround, the power went to the pools and the enforcement switch which, as a workaround, is not the ideal way. Hopefully one day we'll get it as it was meant to be and it will not cause sporadic forks either.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Darkcoin Tutorial - How To Setup and Update Masternodes



-onetime

Great job,  onetime!

The Darkcoin Chameleon does his best to spread the Dark word:

https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/544957459530792960?s=09

You are front and center on Get Into The Dark!:

www.rebelmouse.com/GetIntoTheDark

Cheers, and thanks for helping to #BuildTheDarkness!

[GhostPlayer]

Where is that "...cleaner more  robust system where pools have zero power to cheat or not comply without forking...not dependent on enforcement...." - ? That just cant be done because if its not enforced, by definition they're free to not comply! The best thing ever is the spork itself! If they dont comply and screw the network, we can roll back safely no harm done to anyone, and back to the drawing board. This is a first in the crypto world and works like magic.

Call me biased, but I see DRK's reward solution quite elegant if not brilliant.

Initially (RC2/3) the protocol would ensure 100% compliance through a voting mechanism. The implementation had issues and it led to sporadic forks - and it was difficult to fix these issues due to the time required and the market pressure during the pump period of May/June.

Then, as a workaround, the power went to the pools and the enforcement switch which, as a workaround, is not the ideal way. Hopefully one day we'll get it as it was meant to be and it will not cause sporadic forks either.

 You are 100% right.   Would ensure 100% compliance if the network gained consensus, which it didnt. If it had, the exact same issue would, and did, happen in RC4. IIRC, the the spork was invented, and that problem seizes to exist. Because of some pool's foul play, Evan was "forced" to innovate and created yet another solution, the spork. A non enforcing mechanism that politely lets pool ops to have their time to update, and when the vast majority of the network is in compliance, flip the switch, and whoever is out, forks out. Its the opposite, no power went to the pools. Free will and choice went to the pools.

 It was indeed a workaround that instantly became a fabulous feature. Like in all coding history.