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September 16, 2016, 10:31:00 PM
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ETHF has no future. ETHC does same job x10 cheaper.

How about EXP? They are even cheaper.

Why are ETHF fans so aggressive? Why don't they recognize the obvious?
Ether is a 'fuel' for smart contracts. Why don't buy same fuel x10 cheaper?

If you want to use ether as money (electronic cash) it is quite obvious it is inferior to bitcoin. Unclear money supply is a big issue for ethereum.
But if you want to use it as a fuel for your smart contracts it is quite obvious ETHC is the way to go!

It's quite simple actually.  If you were creating a dapp, which you expect will be a big hit and have (x, y, z) features and uses, what blockchain would you target?  The one with a minority, or the one with the majority?  Quite simply, Ethereum has known, dedicated devs and investors.  ETC is trying to do the same thing, but grown organically (and sometimes completely anonymously) from the ETC community.

To be blunt: Ethereum is going places, and it has the resources to do so.  ETC is a big fat question mark at best, and the market (and network) reflect this.  I wouldn't waste my time with ETC fuel, because compared to Eth fuel, it's going to have so little uses.  The majority agrees with this, whether the ETC community accepts it or not.

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September 17, 2016, 12:31:26 AM
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ETHF has no future. ETHC does same job x10 cheaper.

How about EXP? They are even cheaper.

Why are ETHF fans so aggressive? Why don't they recognize the obvious?
Ether is a 'fuel' for smart contracts. Why don't buy same fuel x10 cheaper?

If you want to use ether as money (electronic cash) it is quite obvious it is inferior to bitcoin. Unclear money supply is a big issue for ethereum.
But if you want to use it as a fuel for your smart contracts it is quite obvious ETHC is the way to go!

It's quite simple actually.  If you were creating a dapp, which you expect will be a big hit and have (x, y, z) features and uses, what blockchain would you target?  The one with a minority, or the one with the majority?
Minority... Majority... Are you sure you know what are you talking about?
The majority still uses dollars. Does that mean you should not use bitcoin because it is used by the minority?

The dapp you create can be deployed on both forked and classic blockchain and it will be served in absolutely identical manner. Except that I'll pay x10 cheaper if deployed on ETHC chain. Besides, forked chain is insecure because DAO speculators might force new fork if they don't like my dapp on ETHF chain. DAO speculators rule dapps on ETHF not the code.
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September 17, 2016, 04:17:44 AM
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ETHF has no future. ETHC does same job x10 cheaper.

How about EXP? They are even cheaper.

Why are ETHF fans so aggressive? Why don't they recognize the obvious?
Ether is a 'fuel' for smart contracts. Why don't buy same fuel x10 cheaper?

If you want to use ether as money (electronic cash) it is quite obvious it is inferior to bitcoin. Unclear money supply is a big issue for ethereum.
But if you want to use it as a fuel for your smart contracts it is quite obvious ETHC is the way to go!

It's quite simple actually.  If you were creating a dapp, which you expect will be a big hit and have (x, y, z) features and uses, what blockchain would you target?  The one with a minority, or the one with the majority?  Quite simply, Ethereum has known, dedicated devs and investors.  ETC is trying to do the same thing, but grown organically (and sometimes completely anonymously) from the ETC community.

To be blunt: Ethereum is going places, and it has the resources to do so.  ETC is a big fat question mark at best, and the market (and network) reflect this.  I wouldn't waste my time with ETC fuel, because compared to Eth fuel, it's going to have so little uses.  The majority agrees with this, whether the ETC community accepts it or not.

Ditto. The only people who keep pushing ETcRAP are the ones with a financial gain from it, the theft and the funds involved.

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September 17, 2016, 05:35:24 AM
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Vitalik pumping in Shanghai is barely raising the price, ethf is dead.

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September 17, 2016, 09:02:32 AM
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Vitalik pumping in Shanghai is barely raising the price, ethf is dead.

The price of the Ethereum has risen 10% in the last week. I think it is a good price action. Anything larger is a bubble.
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September 17, 2016, 09:05:35 AM
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i miss eth on high volumes, where is it now? Grin

The volume of the Ethereum is number one in the Poloniex now. Maybe the big whales are accumulating?
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September 17, 2016, 09:53:34 AM
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i miss eth on high volumes, where is it now? Grin

The volume of the Ethereum is number one in the Poloniex now. Maybe the big whales are accumulating?
Nope.
'Buy the rumor sell the fact.'
Whales have pumped the fork before the event now they are dumping it quietly.
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September 17, 2016, 01:10:29 PM
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i miss eth on high volumes, where is it now? Grin

The volume of the Ethereum is number one in the Poloniex now. Maybe the big whales are accumulating?
Nope.
'Buy the rumor sell the fact.'
Whales have pumped the fork before the event now they are dumping it quietly.

And, why are you so concerned about other peoples activities?

From your posts, prior too this, your not even involved or a participant or a fan of Ethereum!
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September 17, 2016, 02:49:09 PM
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i miss eth on high volumes, where is it now? Grin

The volume of the Ethereum is number one in the Poloniex now. Maybe the big whales are accumulating?
Nope.
'Buy the rumor sell the fact.'
Whales have pumped the fork before the event now they are dumping it quietly.

And, why are you so concerned about other peoples activities?

From your posts, prior too this, your not even involved or a participant or a fan of Ethereum!
Ethereum has more friends and more enemies now. It found its true price and clarified its principles where code is the law. After the fork Ethereum cleaned itself from the Ethereum Central Bank (aka Ethereum Foundation). Nobody actually cares now about the fate of the fork except DAO bagholders that can't exit their failed investment without crashing the price.
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September 17, 2016, 03:06:58 PM
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i miss eth on high volumes, where is it now? Grin

The volume of the Ethereum is number one in the Poloniex now. Maybe the big whales are accumulating?
Nope.
'Buy the rumor sell the fact.'
Whales have pumped the fork before the event now they are dumping it quietly.

And, why are you so concerned about other peoples activities?

From your posts, prior too this, your not even involved or a participant or a fan of Ethereum!
Ethereum has more friends and more enemies now. It found its true price and clarified its principles where code is the law. After the fork Ethereum cleaned itself from the Ethereum Central Bank (aka Ethereum Foundation). Nobody actually cares now about the fate of the fork except DAO bagholders that can't exit their failed investment without crashing the price.

Do you know what a Central Bank does, because this post indicates you do not know what Central Banks do!
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September 17, 2016, 05:35:38 PM
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ETHF has no future. ETHC does same job x10 cheaper.

How about EXP? They are even cheaper.

Why are ETHF fans so aggressive? Why don't they recognize the obvious?
Ether is a 'fuel' for smart contracts. Why don't buy same fuel x10 cheaper?

If you want to use ether as money (electronic cash) it is quite obvious it is inferior to bitcoin. Unclear money supply is a big issue for ethereum.
But if you want to use it as a fuel for your smart contracts it is quite obvious ETHC is the way to go!

It's quite simple actually.  If you were creating a dapp, which you expect will be a big hit and have (x, y, z) features and uses, what blockchain would you target?  The one with a minority, or the one with the majority?
Minority... Majority... Are you sure you know what are you talking about?
The majority still uses dollars. Does that mean you should not use bitcoin because it is used by the minority?

The dapp you create can be deployed on both forked and classic blockchain and it will be served in absolutely identical manner. Except that I'll pay x10 cheaper if deployed on ETHC chain. Besides, forked chain is insecure because DAO speculators might force new fork if they don't like my dapp on ETHF chain. DAO speculators rule dapps on ETHF not the code.

Yes, I'm confident I know what I'm talking about.  My argument was scoped quite clearly to the uses of Eth vs ETC.  When you scope outside that and into usd vs btc...well it's an obvious attempt to circumnavigate the points I raised. Sorry, but saying a given dapp deployed on Ethereum will run just as well on ETC chain is a giant assumption.  True, there's always the possibility it could work, but who's to say?  I've heard so much different rumors about different development plans for ETC (e.g. PoC coupling)...it is a completely separate coin now. Personally, I wouldn't waste time trying to ensure compatibility when producing my dapp...and I would simply target the fork which had the most users and the clearest development roadmap.

Not to mention: how would you handle the user experience of such a dapp in scenarios with pending hard forks?  I'm betting ETC isn't going to follow each future update (hard fork) of Ethereum directly and without any changes.  Can you see the amount of work needed to support 2 separate dapps on 2 separate chains?

 Cheesy Besides, you made my point for me.  Which of USD and BTC has the most apps which people use?  USD, as you pointed out, has the majority of users.  Thus, apps (and programs of utility, entertainment, etc.) are developed to "run" on USD, not BTC.  Grin

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September 18, 2016, 08:01:11 AM
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Vitalik pumping in Shanghai is barely raising the price, ethf is dead.

The talk of the Vitalik will happen tomorrow.

The Ethereum Foundation and Wanxiang Blockchain Labs are excited to jointly announce the International Blockchain Week in Shanghai, which will take place at Hyatt on the Bund, September 19–24, 2016. Both Ethereum’s Devcon and Wanxiang Blockchain Labs’ Global Blockchain Summit were sold out last year with great interest and anticipation for this year’s events. Now, people who wish to attend both events can do so in the same week.

The combined event features a unique three-segment format that allows people to attend any combination of days that best addresses their needs. Two new features include a Demo Day (by Blockchain Labs) for startups and investors, and an optional day of organized sightseeing tours on September 18, 2016, the day before the commencement of the week’s events. [July 5, 2016 note: If organized sightseeing will be offered, this Blockchain Week offering would appear on the Wanxiang Blockchain Lab’s event pages]

There are many reasons this combined event may be one of the most anticipated industry events to date. Importantly, the format and versatility of the event will allow greater interaction and opportunities for attendees to communicate, meet and participate across event segments. Developers are already planning to attend or participate in sessions in other segments, and industry leaders involved in blockchain tech are planning to attend some Devcon days as they have done in the past.

For attendees who will be making their first trip to China, Shanghai is both a global financial hub and home to many of Asia’s blockchain pioneers, where the [Suspicious link removed]munity continues to grow and is eager to share what China has to offer the greater ecosystem. Serendipitously, since January 30, 2016, short trips to China are now facilitated by a new 144-hour visa-free transit policy that allows travelers from 51 countries or regions to transit in Shanghai for up to a maximum of 144 hours (six days) without holding a visa. However, it may still be easier to get a visitor’s visa. I found this explanation of China’s TWOV (Transit without Visa) policy to be useful.

The format for the 6-day International Blockchain Week in Shanghai will be as follows:

Devcon2: Days 1-3 – September 19, 20, 21
Ethereum’s Devcon2 will debut in Asia with the support of its co-host and event partner, Wanxiang Blockchain Labs. Devcon2 will continue to feature Ethereum developers who will introduce, present, and discuss the latest work and related considerations and topics of interest in Ethereum research and development.

Demo Day: Day 4 – September 22
Co-hosted by Wanxiang Blockchain Labs and ChainB, one of China’s leading blockchain news agencies, Demo Day will consist of presentations by some of the most accomplished blockchain-enabled companies in the world. This event will be of particular interest to investors, venture capital firms, and start-ups.

Second Global Blockchain Summit: Days 5-6 – September 23, 24
Hosted by Wanxiang Blockchain Labs, this segment of the conference will consist of panels and talks by blockchain pioneers and industry leaders. Discussions will focus on addressing current and future business use cases, economic and social impacts, as well as how blockchain technology may be utilized and deployed for trade and other industries.

Xiao Feng, Executive Director of Wanxiang Holdings, says: “China Wanxiang Holding is very excited that we have had the opportunity to contribute in the process of making Shanghai the international financial and technological innovation center with the support from Wanxiang Blockchain Labs. I firmly believe this year’s International Blockchain Week in Shanghai will further promote the technology in China, provide an opportunity for sharing knowledge between countries, building a stronger relationship between talents, and encouraging the use of blockchain technology in start-ups. China Wanxiang Holding will continue to support Wanxiang Blockchain Labs with the goal of becoming an internationally recognized platform for blockchain innovation.”

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September 18, 2016, 08:58:27 AM
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ETHF celebrating inflation/POS https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5372mk/37_annual_return_for_staking_yes_please/

Are they that clueless?

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September 18, 2016, 09:25:55 AM
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You mean, like your posts on this ANN!

That is not an official announcement from the Ethereum Foundation - do you need spectacles, I can lend you a pair.

It is just a group of random people, having a speculative thread posting session.

Anyone, can start a new thread on any question they want too write and post about.



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September 18, 2016, 11:29:22 AM
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You mean, like your posts on this ANN!

That is not an official announcement from the Ethereum Foundation - do you need spectacles, I can lend you a pair.

It is just a group of random people, having a speculative thread posting session.

Anyone, can start a new thread on any question they want too write and post about.





They said vitalik is the source

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September 18, 2016, 01:07:56 PM
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You mean, like your posts on this ANN!

That is not an official announcement from the Ethereum Foundation - do you need spectacles, I can lend you a pair.

It is just a group of random people, having a speculative thread posting session.

Anyone, can start a new thread on any question they want too write and post about.


He is probably just a bagholder of ETCrap, a shorter of ETHF or buying secretly and wanting to lower prices for himself/his house/exchange.
Same kind of BS behavior on OTCBB stocks of people on forums being full of SHT.

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September 18, 2016, 02:54:43 PM
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[Pre-Ann] Ethereum Give Away

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1276046122425808&substory_index=0&id=1156299697733785
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September 18, 2016, 03:05:37 PM
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You mean, like your posts on this ANN!

That is not an official announcement from the Ethereum Foundation - do you need spectacles, I can lend you a pair.

It is just a group of random people, having a speculative thread posting session.

Anyone, can start a new thread on any question they want too write and post about.





They said vitalik is the source

That's not how the Ethereum Foundation works (you seem, a tad confused, about how reputable crypto-coins are run) - the development team do public interviews all the time!

Unless, you can cite one of those public interviews or a press release from the Foundation; the thread you are referencing is a bogus speculative posting session!
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September 18, 2016, 07:31:53 PM
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 Huh
Mayor issue with geth. Network seems to be under a DOS attack!
 Huh
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September 18, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
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DDoS attack on ETHereum Geth nodes!!!
https://m.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/53dlwl/ethermine_currently_under_dos_attack/

only Parity node not affected

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