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March 13, 2011, 11:39:26 PM
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Btw I quite like the solution with checking new blocks using local bitcoind. Not absolutely clean, but do the job. I didn't read the code yet, but you probably need to check if the pool server really served job from new block.
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As I said, I didn't read the code so apologize if you already do this. Otherwise I hope it helps.

That's all you needed to do.  That wasn't so hard was it?
We'll make the change later tonight to the code to allow this miner on your pool.
Likewise, I'd like to apologize for any previous rude tones or comments previously made (even if it was 20 minutes ago).

I'm glad you finally realize that a higher level of efficiency reduces the cost of running your pool.
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March 13, 2011, 11:43:41 PM
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That's all you needed to do.  That wasn't so hard was it?


LOL, you don't understand. I didn't apologize for anything. I was just constructive about your last change.

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We'll make the change later tonight to the code to allow this miner on your pool.

Oh, I didn't know that you banned me :-). Please, keep me banned, really.

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I'm glad you finally realize that a higher level of efficiency reduces the cost of running your pool.

No, nothing changed from my previous statements about efficiency of long ask rate. But that discussion is over, I hope.

And to be clear, I said that I 'quite like' the solution. Still think that long polling, which I'm testing on my pool (and is already in production on tycho's one, to be clear), is better way to go. But it's no offence.

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March 13, 2011, 11:44:11 PM
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More BS
200,000  plus shares to find !!!!!
GET REAL


I'm back to Slush's pool
Bs here ...no answers...less payout PER HR
may be slush is getting 2% but this is CRAP
200,000 share's per unit ... over 2 days.... is BULLSHIT

Because our pool is at a slower speed, it takes longer to get that many shares....like 2 days.
More users == more speed

And if 200,000 shares per unit is crap....
1966   2011-03-13 13:24:55   2:35:54   266129
1955   2011-03-13 04:15:49   3:34:04   330211
1930   2011-03-12 09:12:41   2:15:59   203318
1919   2011-03-12 00:07:20   2:39:24   233007

We're not the only ones seeing that high number of shares.
In any case, bye bye CPU miner. 
You'll still get your 0.03 cents when we do find a block.
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March 13, 2011, 11:47:59 PM
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More BS
200,000  plus shares to find !!!!!
GET REAL

I am real. Slush's pool sees the same thing....
http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/?history=1000

Besides, your 74330 getworks and 135 submitted shares isn't worth crying over like you're doing.
The amount of resources you used is enough to support 10+ more efficient miners.
There is no lose to me with you leaving the pool, in fact, it's a gain for me and everyone else because a inefficient CPU miner just bogs down the server.

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March 13, 2011, 11:59:47 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up.
We'll keep the code in place then.

That's all you needed to do.  That wasn't so hard was it?


LOL, you don't understand. I didn't apologize for anything. I was just constructive about your last change.

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We'll make the change later tonight to the code to allow this miner on your pool.

Oh, I didn't know that you banned me :-). Please, keep me banned, really.

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March 14, 2011, 12:07:21 AM
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Still doesnt answer me

You can have at slush all day

WHY cant u answer me and my concerns
You chose to single me out but can't respond

An answer for what? You said you left the pool.

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March 14, 2011, 12:27:11 AM
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Your answer just explains it all
Get the suckers
Don't answer anything

quote author=FairUser link=topic=4291.msg65027#msg65027 date=1300060079]
More BS
200,000  plus shares to find !!!!!
GET REAL

I am real. Slush's pool sees the same thing....
http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/?history=1000

Besides, your 74330 getworks and 135 submitted shares isn't worth crying over like you're doing.
The amount of resources you used is enough to support 10+ more efficient miners.
There is no lose to me with you leaving the pool, in fact, it's a gain for me and everyone else because a inefficient CPU miner just bogs down the server.


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March 14, 2011, 12:29:32 AM
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Guess you can't READ
What was the set rate crap
oh that the answer in this pool

DON"T answer anything
Sell them the BS

Still doesnt answer me

You can have at slush all day

WHY cant u answer me and my concerns
You chose to single me out but can't respond

An answer for what? You said you left the pool.

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March 14, 2011, 12:31:55 AM
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Your answer just explains it all
Get the suckers
Don't answer anything


Forgive me for not being able to see your question behind all that bitching and moaning.
Their is something called punctuation. You might want to look into that. 
End you questions with a "?" when you ask them...it let's the skimming eyes note that their is a question being asked.

Now if you can properly form a question, and state it plainly without all the bitching surrounding it, then my mental "trolling" filters will not trigger and I might actually to read it.
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March 14, 2011, 12:37:05 AM
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More BS
200,000  plus shares to find !!!!!
GET REAL

I am real. Slush's pool sees the same thing....
http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/?history=1000

Besides, your 74330 getworks and 135 submitted shares isn't worth crying over like you're doing.
The amount of resources you used is enough to support 10+ more efficient miners.
There is no lose to me with you leaving the pool, in fact, it's a gain for me and everyone else because a inefficient CPU miner just bogs down the server.



Screw your getworks % efficiency crap
I tried you SHIT POOL
IT SUCKS
CAN YOU GET THAT

you know where you can stick it
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March 14, 2011, 12:41:31 AM
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Screw your getworks % efficiency crap
I tried you SHIT POOL
IT SUCKS
CAN YOU GET THAT

you know where you can stick it

Was there a question in there somewhere?
No......
bobR == TROLL
Future posts from you will be ignored.
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March 14, 2011, 12:41:42 AM
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Your answer just explains it all
Get the suckers
Don't answer anything


Forgive me for not being able to see your question behind all that bitching and moaning.
Their is something called punctuation. You might want to look into that. 
End you questions with a "?" when you ask them...it let's the skimming eyes note that their is a question being asked.

Now if you can properly form a question, and state it plainly without all the bitching surrounding it, then my mental "trolling" filters will not trigger and I might actually to read it.

Are you stupid or what Huh??
You posted that I had some problem with some ask quanity bs
You still have to answer WTF you were talking about

belittling people speaks highly of YOUR SERVICE
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March 14, 2011, 12:44:52 AM
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Quote from: FairUser on March 12, 2011, 12:32 am
***** ATTENTION CPU USERS  *****

I know someone at some point told you a lower askrate is better...they were wrong.  We are asking you to please increase your askrate from 1 to at least 10 seconds, we'd prefer 60 seconds, or we will ban your accounts in 24 hours.

The two accounts I'm watching closely are:

cd311 - Requesting 3 getworks/sec FROM 3 different IP's total.
Getwork Efficiency -
# Requested:    54081
# Submitted:    111

RobertRibbeck - Requesting 3-5 getworks/sec FROM 4 different IP's total.
Getwork Efficiency -
# Requested:    17893
# Submitted:    35


     I understand what is going on here, as I too at one point got as many CPU's as I possibly could (18 total) running on a pool.  Boy that sure was a waste, cause 1 GPU was waaaaay faster and far more efficient.  Another thing you must consider as a CPU user using a low askrate, you are not even getting 0.10% through the entire getwork before get another and try again.  I've been logging my getwork's, and out of the 18,500 getworks I have logged on my GPU, only 22 of those have an shares found in the first 1% of the getwork.  What this tells me is that you CPU miner's would find more shares if you tried to raise you ask rate from 1 to 20 or more seconds.

Failure to do this on your part will result in your accounts being banned (you will still be paid though).  If you come back and have not fixed this problem, your IP's will be banned next.  Please fix this ASAP.  You have 24 hours to comply.

Thank you for your understanding and help with this matter,

Fairuser

Does that refresh you memory
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March 14, 2011, 12:46:55 AM
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Screw your getworks % efficiency crap
I tried you SHIT POOL
IT SUCKS
CAN YOU GET THAT

you know where you can stick it

Was there a question in there somewhere?
No......
bobR == TROLL
Future posts from you will be ignored.

Trolling for workers Fair
Answer workers --- FUCK YOU


I'm NOT A TROLL
YOU JUST PISSED ME OFF
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March 14, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
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Really he PAYS ... You BS
You see what you want to see
Got more from Slush in a day than your crap in two

More BS
200,000  plus shares to find !!!!!
GET REAL

I am real. Slush's pool sees the same thing....
http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/?history=1000

Besides, your 74330 getworks and 135 submitted shares isn't worth crying over like you're doing.
The amount of resources you used is enough to support 10+ more efficient miners.
There is no lose to me with you leaving the pool, in fact, it's a gain for me and everyone else because a inefficient CPU miner just bogs down the server.



I left because YOUR POOL IS SCREWING PEOPLE
For the little guy   MY ASS

You Aholes Can't even answer querys
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March 14, 2011, 01:11:52 AM
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Your answer just explains it all
Get the suckers
Don't answer anything


Forgive me for not being able to see your question behind all that bitching and moaning.
Their is something called punctuation. You might want to look into that. 
End you questions with a "?" when you ask them...it let's the skimming eyes note that their is a question being asked.

Now if you can properly form a question, and state it plainly without all the bitching surrounding it, then my mental "trolling" filters will not trigger and I might actually to read it.

You couldn't see shit if I stuck it in your face
still waiting for you the EXPLAIN your DAMN ask rate crap
guess that's too simple for you
HAY STUPID that was a question
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March 14, 2011, 03:18:06 AM
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Your answer just explains it all
Get the suckers
Don't answer anything


bobr, you sure do bitch alot.  Roll Eyes

That is all.  Cool
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March 14, 2011, 04:00:37 AM
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Hey bobR, my incredibly honed senses are telling me that you seem to be a tiny bit upset... To be honest, you are doing such a terrible job of asking a question, that it really doesn't deserve a response. Nevertheless, I will try to give you the information you are looking for, in the hope that it will put your torment mind to rest.

I will translate your great wall of flame into the following statement and try to answer that: "I am one of the users who were criticised by the operators of the pool for their lack of "efficiency". I do not understand why. Could someone explain what I am doing wrong, please?"

I believe the answer to your inferred question is in post #1 of this thread. For your convenience, I have read it and quoted the important section:


   Geebus and I raised a very important question in m0mchill's thread, and that question was “why doesn't the miner work through all (2^32 or) 4,294,967,296 hashes?”  The answer we got was not a satisfactory or a legitimate response to the original question, and we objected with real stats showing that decreasing your askrate for getwork request does NOT increase the probability that you will find a share or answer quicker.  In fact, you can find more than 1 answer/share per getwork, and that simply requesting a new getwork every 10 or 20 seconds is not the best route to finding shares.

The bottom line from our research was this:
- The same number of shares can be found in a 10 hour period using a askrate of 10 seconds OR our more efficient miner.  You will get about the same number of shares either way.

- Because the same number of shares are found in a given period, there is no reason why people should be using a decreased askrate.  The goal is to look for bitcoin's more efficiently, and when the miner's efficiency is closer to 100%, the amount of resources and bandwidth on the server is DRAMATICALLY reduced, and that means we can support MORE USERS.

- More user's means we as a pool can find blocks faster!


I would not be surprised if this issue has been explained several times since, and, as a person who is seeking an answer, I'm sure you have read them all. Thus you must have failed to understand the previous explanations and so I will try to give you my own understanding of the tale.

It all starts with the fact that, to do its thing, your miner has to request work from the server. By default, common miner programs keep requesting new work very often (e.g. every second). In fact, they request new work long before they have actually finished their old work (this can take minutes). This is particularly the case for comparatively slow mining hardware (e.g. a CPU miner, as opposed to a GPU miner), as this type of hardware takes much longer to find shares and to complete chunks of work.
What this means is that, generally, your miner is asking for new work long before it has even found any shares in its current work. This wouldn't be a problem for you directly, but, unfortunately, every work request produces load on the pool server.
So, as a "half way summary", your miner is putting as much load on the server as tens, or maybe even hundreds, of "efficient" users would (depending on your ask rate), but it is also turning in vastly fewer valuable results (shares), in the process.
This is precisely the type of inefficiency which geebus and FairUser are trying to combat on their server and which is why they have released their own edition of the poclbm miner. In the latest version, their modified miner uses both your resources and the server's resources efficiently. What they want you to do is to use their miner, because, that way, you can contribute to the pool without wasting disproportionately many server resources.
This is in your own interest too, for two reasons:
1: the pool operators don't get angry at you and
2: more people can use the pool at the same time and thus blocks are solved more frequently and thus you get paid more frequently and thus don't get the impression that this pool is paying you less, quite so easily.

To give you an idea, under the assumption that your user name on the pool is "RobertRibbeck", then, according to the latest public stats, your miner has requested work 74330 times, but only submitted 135 useful results. This is the issue. This is what you could address by using the latest version of poclbm-mod.

If you don't understand this explanation, or if you do, in fact, feel that this pool is paying you less for the work your miner submits, or, in particular, if you can't ask questions and explain your problems in a civilised manner, let alone read post #1, then I'm sorry to say that very few people would regret to see you go and leave both the pool and this thread behind.
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March 14, 2011, 06:50:38 AM
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For those of you who are running more than one PC for bitcoin mining on your LAN, here is an example of how to get more than one PC working with a single instance of bitcoin.  This means you don't have to have a bitcoin instance running on each PC in order for your poclbm-mod to be able to check if the block count went up.

For this example we will use 2 PCs.

PC 1: IP: 192.168.22.2
Runs "bitcoin -server" so I can have my GUI and run as a RPC server.  In order to setup the RPC server, you have to create a bitcoin.conf file in the specificed user folder.

Windows users:   %APPDATA%\Bitcoin\bitcoin.conf
Linux users:     ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf

An example config for bitcoin.conf is as follows:
Code:
rpcuser=yourusername
rpcpassword=somerandompassword
rpcallowip=192.168.22.*


**Please note that you should create a random password here to make sure that unauthorized parties don't get access.  You will also need change the rpcallowip value to match your local networks address mask.  The "*" at the end means anyone on your local network can connect to your local bitcoin application.

If you want the miner to use your local bitcoin to check the block count, your will need to modify the "poclbm-mod.cfg" file to reflect the settings of your bitcoin.conf on PC 1.  The "poclbm-mod.cfg" file should be in the same directory as poclbm-mod.  An example config is as follows:
Code:
host=192.168.22.2
port=8332
rpcuser=yourusername
rpcpass=somerandompassword

Make sure you set the host value to your PC's IP address.
 
Now launch poclbm-mod:
Code:
poclbm-mod.exe --host=bitcoinpool.com --port=8334 --user=username --pass=password -d 0 -f 120 -v -b --log


PC 2: IP:  192.168.22.3
Make sure you have the same "poclbm-mod.cfg" file on PC 2 that you have on PC 1.  
Then launch poclbm-mod:
Code:
poclbm-mod.exe --host=bitcoinpool.com --port=8334 --user=username --pass=password -d 0 -f 120 -v -b --log



That's pretty much it.  Nothing too fancy. I hope you found this helpful.
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March 14, 2011, 12:29:05 PM
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I wanted to get some feedback from any of our users on a few topics that FairUser and I were discussing...

1) How many people really want to be able to increase their payment threshold, and why?

2) Do you know/care about long polling, or are you comfortable using our miner with local bitcoind block checking?

Also, I made the following site/pool changes:
  • Added CAPTCHA to new user signup to prevent spammers
  • Set round duration to count in real-time
  • Set Ghash/s to update every 10s without page refresh
  • Performed some more database optimizations to speed up processing on the back-end
  • Optimized some functions that were causing excess and unneeded CPU stress on bitcoind

Aside from that, keep up the good work! I know we're experiencing a longer-than-average round right now, but hopefully we'll solve one soon...

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