Trust system abuse / DT2 member Vod is provably dishonestly rating people

[Joel_Jantsen]

Had that been the case, I don't think actmyname and DarkStar_ would have countered it(,unless you think actmyname and DarkStar_ are Anduck's alts and actmyname and DarkStar_ are also chipmixer shills, well....Digaran......)

Regardless, according to my trust settings both their feedback appear as untrusted so the counter part din't really had any effect.

Do you think that he red-rated me, because I didn't change my rating? If you think that's not the reason, why do you think he red-rated me?

13 pages of the thread, either you should have gotten the answer or you are just not digesting it. Either way, what I think doesn't really matter since feedback's are subjective and I can't tell Vod whom to trust.

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[Anduck]

Do you think that he red-rated me, because I didn't change my rating? If you think that's not the reason, why do you think he red-rated me?

13 pages of the thread, either you should have gotten the answer or you are just not digesting it. Either way, what I think doesn't really matter since feedback's are subjective and I can't tell Vod whom to trust.

My questions were directed at you specifically. To me, it looks like you don't comprehend what's going on. That's why I am asking. I'm only interested. Feel free to ignore my question if you don't want to answer.

[actmyname]

That's a semi-fair point, but obviously you have a bit of bias. I don't state that I do not trust you though, just that I think your trust rating specifically on Anduck is poor.

Anyone else (not digaran) want to give an opinion on this?

Sup. You must have missed it.

I bet we'll have another DT2 member suddenly seeing this topic and he/she would jump in to tag Anduck for something from the past and other DT members would also jump in to tag each other right, left and center and they would praise each other to say wow, what a trustworthy person you are, here some fake green trust for you.

Just on this: it's a very presumptuous accusation when you assume that people are doing this for positive trust. In fact, DarkStar_ has not received positive trust for their actions. And in my opinion, that's actually feedback which I disagree with. The trust I gave cancelled out Vod's trust, end of story. Any further positive trust should be held with the same value as if there were no negative in the first place, thus invalidating its quality as a "counter-rating".

[Vod]

Thread is about to get derailed again.

This thread is about trust abuse.

I don't make stuff up.

You've made up several issues about me in this harassment campaign alone.  i think you are lying, again.

[Anduck]

Thread is about to get derailed again.

This thread is about trust abuse.

I don't make stuff up.

You've made up several issues about me in this harassment campaign alone.  i think you are lying, again.

1) Where do I scam?
2) Where do I lie?
3) Where do I harass you?
4) What issues have I made up?

You've not provided sources, proofs, evidence or quotes -- simply nothing. Your dishonesty is documented in this thread, and in the linked threads.

Previously, you asked me to ask you questions. I asked. You did not answer to them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39447493#msg39447493

[Vod]

1) Where do I scam?
2) Where do I lie?
3) Where do I harass you?
4) What issues have I made up?

In your mind, you have done no wrong.  That is why criminals do not haul themselves to jail. 

Vod do answer this: Why did you change your feeback to Anduck from neutral to negative, is it because Anduck said he doesn't trust you, so you wanted to change it?

Anduck lies.  :/

Read the PMs again.  Notice where I type "ah, until this point'?  That is when I lost trust for him.  Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating.  If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

[Anduck]

Vod do answer this: Why did you change your feeback to Anduck from neutral to negative, is it because Anduck said he doesn't trust you, so you wanted to change it?

Anduck lies.  :/

How? Where?

Read the PMs again.  Notice where I type "ah, until this point'?  That is when I lost trust for him. 

Don't you "distrust" me because I "scammed an auction" and "admitted to lying in PM" -- like your ratings towards me state?
Here are the private messages.
Would you want to tell us why you lost trust for me exactly?

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating.  If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

[Vod]

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating.  If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

Fine.  Around a week later, with just one immediate answer from him and nothing further, I changed my rating.

A distinction without a difference. 

Stop twisting my words to make things up.

[Anduck]

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating.  If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

Fine.  Around a week later, with just one immediate answer from him and nothing further, I changed my rating.

A distinction without a difference. 

Stop twisting my words to make things up.

Where have I twisted your words? What have I made up?

You claim something to be true that turns out to be provably false, get caught, and you still have the balls to go and insult me. You're wrong, and your ego (I guess) is too big for you to admit it. Same thing (I guess) with your ratings.
Similar thing happened earlier with that fake quote you made up, and after acknowledging it being a fake, you claimed someone else faked it while everyone could see that it was you. (You manually edited the quote to be from me. Nobody else -- only you.)

Now stop derailing and try to back up your dishonest & derogatory claims about me.

[OgNasty]

Current(ly) DT members are largely afraid to do anything -- and I've heard this from several people who are either on DT

Did actual DT (DT1 or DT2) members tell you that or did you make that up?

I don't make stuff up.
People are not willing to do anything, because of the consequences that will likely come to them. You should know, too, as it has happened before. It's not a secret how these things are. You can ask people yourself, or use search.

Then they don't belong in DT.  Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

[Quickseller]

It is pointless to attempt to have a discussion with vod especially about this. Contact those who put vod on their trust list.

I would not even take what he says seriously.

[Anduck]

Then they don't belong in DT.  Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

I've traded with owlcatz and found him trustworthy to do trades with. As you can see, my rating towards owlcatz is from 2016 (when I traded with him). Owlcatz' trust feedback towards you (and from you to him) have happened in the last 6 months if I see it right. I've not been following what happened there, so I'm not familiar with the case that resulted in those ratings. OgNasty, do you have any suggestions? How to improve DT system?

[Vod]

It is pointless to attempt to have a discussion with vod especially about this. Contact those who put vod on their trust list.

I would not even take what he says seriously.

This from a narcissist.  Rules and morality don't apply to you.   

[suchmoon]

Then they don't belong in DT.  Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on eoakland where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754

[OgNasty]

Then they don't belong in DT.  Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

I've traded with owlcatz and found him trustworthy to do trades with. As you can see, my rating towards owlcatz is from 2016 (when I traded with him). Owlcatz' trust feedback towards you (and from you to him) have happened in the last 6 months if I see it right. I've not been following what happened there, so I'm not familiar with the case that resulted in those ratings. OgNasty, do you have any suggestions? How to improve DT system?

You highlighted a big reason why the DT system is struggling.  You had no issue removing your trust for me in spite of all that I've done for users of this forum (safeguarding literally tens of thousands of BTC), but owlcatz is trustworthy?  I've seen other DT members use this same tired excuse for why they continue to trust individuals who clearly don't deserve it.  Maybe you should start by looking at your own ratings instead of trying to overhaul the system.  Change starts in the mirror.

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on edonkey where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754

Comments like this are why nobody takes your opinion seriously and why I immediately added you to my exclusion list a long time ago.

[suchmoon]

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on edonkey where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754

Comments like this are why nobody takes your opinion seriously and why I immediately added you to my exclusion list a long time ago.

I don't really care that much if you take my opinion seriously or not.

Did you send that message? It's a fairly simple question relevant to your dispute with owlcatz.

And - immediately? Immediately after what? Immediately after I posted the counter-rating for owlcatz?

[Vod]

You highlighted a big reason why the DT system is struggling.  

Politics.  You can have two people with the same morals and same hatred of scammers, but one little cultural slight or misread of a post and BOOM - they are now fighting with each other.

I'm not sure how the system can be changed for the better without letting the multiple account Quickscammer take over.  :/

[Anduck]

misread of a post and BOOM - they are now fighting with each other.

How about you start by re-reading our PM conversation and try to spot where you misunderstood/misread me. Hints are in the Reputation thread where I explained three times how you illogically misunderstood me and continued to base your accusations on that.

[OgNasty]

You highlighted a big reason why the DT system is struggling.  

Politics.  You can have two people with the same morals and same hatred of scammers, but one little cultural slight or misread of a post and BOOM - they are now fighting with each other.

I'm not sure how the system can be changed for the better without letting the multiple account Quickscammer take over.  :/

Unfortunately, I think it will take other DT1 members being attacked the way I was and deciding that they are ok getting hit with a little red in order to be part of the solution instead of the problem.  DT1 members expanding their trust networks to include more trusted longterm members who haven't engaged in shady behavior is a start.

[Quickseller]

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on edonkey where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754

Comments like this are why nobody takes your opinion seriously and why I immediately added you to my exclusion list a long time ago.

suchmoon is a bottom feeder. She will only side with those who she perceives to be more powerful in a dispute as a way for her to gain additional power. She will troll those who she perceives to be less powerful by twisting irrelevant facts/portions of a dispute, and will create a tangent regarding said irrelevant facts, derailing threads. Also similar to Lauda, suchmoon will troll those who she perceives to be weak.