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June 17, 2018, 09:51:29 PM
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0.75% daily... must be totes legit  Roll Eyes

https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersponzihtm.html

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What is a Ponzi scheme?
A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors. Ponzi scheme organizers often solicit new investors by promising to invest funds in opportunities claimed to generate high returns with little or no risk. In many Ponzi schemes, the fraudsters focus on attracting new money to make promised payments to earlier-stage investors to create the false appearance that investors are profiting from a legitimate business.

Why do Ponzi schemes collapse?
With little or no legitimate earnings, Ponzi schemes require a consistent flow of money from new investors to continue. Ponzi schemes tend to collapse when it becomes difficult to recruit new investors or when a large number of investors ask to cash out.

What are some Ponzi scheme "red flags"?
Many Ponzi schemes share common characteristics. Look for these warning signs:

High investment returns with little or no risk. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and investments yielding higher returns typically involve more risk. Be highly suspicious of any "guaranteed" investment opportunity.

Overly consistent returns. Investment values tend to go up and down over time, especially those offering potentially high returns. Be suspect of an investment that continues to generate regular, positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.

Unregistered investments. Ponzi schemes typically involve investments that have not been registered with the SEC or with state regulators. Registration is important because it provides investors with access to key information about the company's management, products, services, and finances.

Unlicensed sellers. Federal and state securities laws require investment professionals and their firms to be licensed or registered. Most Ponzi schemes involve unlicensed individuals or unregistered firms.
Secretive and/or complex strategies. Avoiding investments you do not understand, or for which you cannot get complete information, is a good rule of thumb.

Issues with paperwork. Do not accept excuses regarding why you cannot review information about an investment in writing. Also, account statement errors and inconsistencies may be signs that funds are not being invested as promised.

Difficulty receiving payments. Be suspicious if you do not receive a payment or have difficulty cashing out your investment. Keep in mind that Ponzi scheme promoters routinely encourage participants to "roll over" investments and sometimes promise returns offering even higher returns on the amount rolled over.


Arbitao is not promising a high return on investment. We leave a big margin for error.

Surely, everybody knows how arbitrage at regular exchanges works, but there’s a huge difference between regular exchanges and cryptocurrency exchanges. The cryptocurrency market is not fully regulated and there are substantially greater differences in prices between cryptocurrency pairs at different exchanges. As a result, profits from arbitrage can be much bigger. Multiply this by hundreds or even thousands of different pairs and the profits can be really huge.

The software is working and has been generating steady profit. The capital that the ICO will bring is going to be used for scaling the enterprise so we can cover dozens of new exchanges and thousands of new cryptocurrency pairs. This will results in increase of profits for all investors.
 
On the other hand, in time, the effect of the massive arbitrage that Arbitao is performing will reduce the price differences on different exchanges and the spread is going to shrink. It may result over time in the daily interest rates dropping as well.

At this moment, and thanks to the initial investors, Arbitao is executing arbitrage operations on 671 currency pairs across 10 biggest exchanges. Since May 16th 2018, Arbitao has already performed over 2.5 million successful arbitrage trades. The whole history is available on the dashboard when you sign in.

When you take all this into consideration, calling Arbitao a Ponzi scheme is completely unreasonable.

Arbitao doesn’t accept investors from the US, so of course it’s not registered with the SEC.
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June 17, 2018, 10:05:30 PM
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I understand the concept of arbitrage platform, but I didn't expect referral system here. I know how it is beneficial for users who invite friends, but what are benefits for you except the community growth?

First of all, all other ICOs spend millions of dollars on marketing by handing out big parts of their budgets to established marketing agencies. We wanted to do it differently, and decided to empower the Arbitao community with an affiliate program.

Arbitao is a fully-working product, generating profits for the early investors and, based on the historical data, we managed to assess what percentage of the profits we can allocate for this affiliate program.

Our goal is to secure a leading position in the cryptocurrency arbitrage space as soon as possible. To reach this goal, we need sufficient capital in order to deposit enough funds across dozens of exchanges and be able to trade on hundreds and hundreds of currency pairs.

The ultimate goal is that Arbitao can trade thousands of pairs across 100 exchanges.

Now is the perfect time to reach the position of a leader because the crypto market cap is still relatively small. Therefore, really big players, currently operating in the forex market are not yet interested too much in taking it over. Also, dozens of exchanges that are not yet regulated do not seem attractive for traditional investors. 

This, however, will change sooner or later. The market cap is growing year to year and the big players will eventually take interest in it. By that time, Arbitao wants to grow big enough to be able to compete with them.
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June 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
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That's definitely not fresh idea, many such automated systems are already exsiting, but still I think they are not good enough and that's why new projects are appearing. Arbitao has some unique features and it can become the main arbitrage platform
Well the feature surprised me is that users can just contribute computing power to the platform itself... but actually it sounds kinda fishy, just wonder how it is supposed to work
I don't get it fully too but the more computing power they have the more efficient the platform becomes. I mean there will probably be more possibilities for trading and you can earn more if the system is stronger)
Okay then how many people should contribute so that the platform become faster than competitors? What hashrate they plan to get? For example one with a mine farm can contribute far more than a thousand ordinary users Undecided

How can hashrate help with trading and arbitrage?

Hashrate will let us process enormous amounts of data which we need for analysis and introduction of new arbitrage strategies.

As we are striving to decentralize the system, we chose this method instead of the cloud solution. Additionally, this means lowering the computing power costs and more opportunity for the Arbitao community to gain profits. So, it’s a win-win situation.

If you are interested more in the scientific part of this, please check out the following website: https://www.orbatao.com/, which is a part of the Arbitao project, and where more publications will soon be added.
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June 17, 2018, 10:14:16 PM
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0.75% daily... must be totes legit  Roll Eyes

https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersponzihtm.html

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What is a Ponzi scheme?
A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors. Ponzi scheme organizers often solicit new investors by promising to invest funds in opportunities claimed to generate high returns with little or no risk. In many Ponzi schemes, the fraudsters focus on attracting new money to make promised payments to earlier-stage investors to create the false appearance that investors are profiting from a legitimate business.

Why do Ponzi schemes collapse?
With little or no legitimate earnings, Ponzi schemes require a consistent flow of money from new investors to continue. Ponzi schemes tend to collapse when it becomes difficult to recruit new investors or when a large number of investors ask to cash out.

What are some Ponzi scheme "red flags"?
Many Ponzi schemes share common characteristics. Look for these warning signs:

High investment returns with little or no risk. Every investment carries some degree of risk, and investments yielding higher returns typically involve more risk. Be highly suspicious of any "guaranteed" investment opportunity.

Overly consistent returns. Investment values tend to go up and down over time, especially those offering potentially high returns. Be suspect of an investment that continues to generate regular, positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.

Unregistered investments. Ponzi schemes typically involve investments that have not been registered with the SEC or with state regulators. Registration is important because it provides investors with access to key information about the company's management, products, services, and finances.

Unlicensed sellers. Federal and state securities laws require investment professionals and their firms to be licensed or registered. Most Ponzi schemes involve unlicensed individuals or unregistered firms.
Secretive and/or complex strategies. Avoiding investments you do not understand, or for which you cannot get complete information, is a good rule of thumb.

Issues with paperwork. Do not accept excuses regarding why you cannot review information about an investment in writing. Also, account statement errors and inconsistencies may be signs that funds are not being invested as promised.

Difficulty receiving payments. Be suspicious if you do not receive a payment or have difficulty cashing out your investment. Keep in mind that Ponzi scheme promoters routinely encourage participants to "roll over" investments and sometimes promise returns offering even higher returns on the amount rolled over.


Arbitao is not promising a high return on investment. We leave a big margin for error.

Surely, everybody knows how arbitrage at regular exchanges works, but there’s a huge difference between regular exchanges and cryptocurrency exchanges. The cryptocurrency market is not fully regulated and there are substantially greater differences in prices between cryptocurrency pairs at different exchanges. As a result, profits from arbitrage can be much bigger. Multiply this by hundreds or even thousands of different pairs and the profits can be really huge.

The software is working and has been generating steady profit. The capital that the ICO will bring is going to be used for scaling the enterprise so we can cover dozens of new exchanges and thousands of new cryptocurrency pairs. This will results in increase of profits for all investors.
 
On the other hand, in time, the effect of the massive arbitrage that Arbitao is performing will reduce the price differences on different exchanges and the spread is going to shrink. It may result over time in the daily interest rates dropping as well.

At this moment, and thanks to the initial investors, Arbitao is executing arbitrage operations on 671 currency pairs across 10 biggest exchanges. Since May 16th 2018, Arbitao has already performed over 2.5 million successful arbitrage trades. The whole history is available on the dashboard when you sign in.

When you take all this into consideration, calling Arbitao a Ponzi scheme is completely unreasonable.

Arbitao doesn’t accept investors from the US, so of course it’s not registered with the SEC.

Translated, we operate a very, very, very profitable business but need investors so that we can scale.

Meanwhile, --- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4486941.0





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June 17, 2018, 10:14:38 PM
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Arbitao is not promising a high return on investment. We leave a big margin for error.

Surely, everybody knows how arbitrage at regular exchanges works, but there’s a huge difference between regular exchanges and cryptocurrency exchanges. The cryptocurrency market is not fully regulated and there are substantially greater differences in prices between cryptocurrency pairs at different exchanges. As a result, profits from arbitrage can be much bigger. Multiply this by hundreds or even thousands of different pairs and the profits can be really huge.

The software is working and has been generating steady profit. The capital that the ICO will bring is going to be used for scaling the enterprise so we can cover dozens of new exchanges and thousands of new cryptocurrency pairs. This will results in increase of profits for all investors.
 
On the other hand, in time, the effect of the massive arbitrage that Arbitao is performing will reduce the price differences on different exchanges and the spread is going to shrink. It may result over time in the daily interest rates dropping as well.

At this moment, and thanks to the initial investors, Arbitao is executing arbitrage operations on 671 currency pairs across 10 biggest exchanges. Since May 16th 2018, Arbitao has already performed over 2.5 million successful arbitrage trades. The whole history is available on the dashboard when you sign in.

When you take all this into consideration, calling Arbitao a Ponzi scheme is completely unreasonable.

Arbitao doesn’t accept investors from the US, so of course it’s not registered with the SEC.

You claim that you've been operating this scheme since 2016 but there is nothing to be found about Arbitao more than a couple of months ago. Why is that?

If you'd put $100k into your scheme two years ago you'd have ~20 million today according to your claims. Or if you put $100k into today you'll have $20 million in two years. Why do you need other people's money? Why do you want to dilute your gains by pouring more money into it?

If the rate of return is not guaranteed, can it be negative?

If you're not registered with the SEC, which countries and regulatory agencies are you registered with?

I think you're missing the point of what I posted. The SEC "red flags" apply to any ponzi, no matter which country it operates in. Any ONE of those red flags is sufficient for any reasonable investor to run away from you as fast as they can. So it is very reasonable to suspect you're a ponzi given what we know so far. Good choice of a logo though, the pyramid suits you well.

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June 17, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
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I understand that you probably can't just give the full algorithms and code because competitors are over your shoulder Roll Eyes But you need to provide far more transparency since the arbitrage process is automated. No pleasure from working with black box Undecided

The answer to your question is included in the question itself, but we’ll be happy to answer any other questions you may have in the future.
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June 17, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
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That's definitely not fresh idea, many such automated systems are already exsiting, but still I think they are not good enough and that's why new projects are appearing. Arbitao has some unique features and it can become the main arbitrage platform
Well the feature surprised me is that users can just contribute computing power to the platform itself... but actually it sounds kinda fishy, just wonder how it is supposed to work
I don't get it fully too but the more computing power they have the more efficient the platform becomes. I mean there will probably be more possibilities for trading and you can earn more if the system is stronger)
Okay then how many people should contribute so that the platform become faster than competitors? What hashrate they plan to get? For example one with a mine farm can contribute far more than a thousand ordinary users Undecided

Arbitao is a proven, working arbitrage system. The speed of execution of the transactions is not and will not be dependent on hashrate.

For the purpose of beating our competition at the speed of execution of arbitrage trades, Arbitao servers are located as close as possible to the servers of the exchanges that the platform is operating on. This smart network architecture lets us become faster than the competitors.
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June 17, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
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Hello! Nice to see devs answering community questions, but one thing is not that clear for me. As the speed is crucial you think staking may help you, I read the WP but still despite the detailed description the concept itself is a bit vague. Could you explain it in simple words? Thanks

Arbitao is a platform which finds those risk-free arbitrage opportunities and executes them successfully.

This is already a working product, so I can show you how it’s done.

There are two crucial steps - 1) to spot an existing arbitrage opportunity, and 2) to take advantage of it.

This powerful platform monitors Order Books on numerous exchanges simultaneously, so it knows what’s going on, on every market it covers.

At this moment Arbitao can perform a deep, real-time analysis on 10 of the biggest markets and hundreds of pairs. In fact, there are 671 unique pairs on which Arbitao is executing risk-free arbitrage trading.

We’re talking 24/7, real-time analysis of 671 unique pairs on 10 exchanges to discover every profitable arbitrage opportunity and execute successful trades. Since May 16th, 2018 Arbitao executed more than 2.5 million arbitrage trades!
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June 17, 2018, 10:34:43 PM
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That's definitely not fresh idea, many such automated systems are already exsiting, but still I think they are not good enough and that's why new projects are appearing. Arbitao has some unique features and it can become the main arbitrage platform
Well the feature surprised me is that users can just contribute computing power to the platform itself... but actually it sounds kinda fishy, just wonder how it is supposed to work
I don't get it fully too but the more computing power they have the more efficient the platform becomes. I mean there will probably be more possibilities for trading and you can earn more if the system is stronger)
Okay then how many people should contribute so that the platform become faster than competitors? What hashrate they plan to get? For example one with a mine farm can contribute far more than a thousand ordinary users Undecided

Arbitao is a proven, working arbitrage system. The speed of execution of the transactions is not and will not be dependent on hashrate.

For the purpose of beating our competition at the speed of execution of arbitrage trades, Arbitao servers are located as close as possible to the servers of the exchanges that the platform is operating on. This smart network architecture lets us become faster than the competitors.

I change my sentiment, for I love the fact that your servers will be as close to at least 19 servers of exchanges you are, or going to be be on, given that I'm versed in as to why a dedicated cable was ran from NYC to Chicago so to gain milliseconds when trading on legacy exchanges here in the States. You're the man!





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June 17, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
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Why is it that if folks from the US can't participate in your ICO, you're allowing US citizens to participate in your bounty campaigns? --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4467190.0





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June 17, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
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it sounds kinda fishy

There's plenty about this "arbitrage platform" that smells "kinda fishy"....here's just three aspects of it that are atypical of previous scams which pretended to arbitrage.

1) The software is supposedly already successfully running and producing profit for anonymous "private investors".
2) The "Four types of Arbitrage pools" structure is exactly similar to HYIP script "investment opportunities" i.e. invest more, get higher
     return. There is no logic behind this structure for pooled equity trading.
3) Multi level marketing scheme attached.

That's without mentioning the Linkedin profiles, cliched marketing vids, emphasis on "community" blahblah, or the wallet or the internal exchange or the.......

1) At this moment Arbitao can perform a deep, real-time analysis on 10 of the biggest markets and hundreds of pairs. In fact, there are 671 unique pairs on which Arbitao is executing risk-free arbitrage trading.

We’re talking 24/7, real-time analysis of 671 unique pairs on 10 exchanges to discover every profitable arbitrage opportunity and execute successful trades. Since May 16th, 2018 Arbitao executed more than 2.5 million arbitrage trades!

This can be easily checked in the history at the Arbitao dashboard.

2) There is a very simple logic behind the pools we created. We wanted to reward those who invest more, with a higher interest rate return – as simple as that. Especially, as the daily interest rates have been calculated with a considerable margin for error.

3) All other ICOs spend millions of dollars on marketing by handing out big parts of their budgets to established marketing agencies. We wanted to do it differently, and decided to empower the Arbitao community with an affiliate program.

Arbitao is a fully-working product, generating profits for the early investors and, based on the historical data, we managed to assess what percentage of the profits we can allocate for this affiliate program.



And why do we need a wallet? - Where there’s a coin, a wallet is necessary. But also, in the future, we’re seeking to decentralize the computing power and the wallet will make it possible.

Thanks to the internal exchange investors will be able to withdraw the profits from arbitrage in BTC.
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June 17, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
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Meanwhile, would you be so kind as to link to your charter in the UK - or anywhere else for that matter - because us Internet sleuths like myself are hard-pressed in uncovering any such documents in spite of Arbitao being incorporated since Dec. 2016.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/arbitao/


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June 17, 2018, 10:52:15 PM
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This calculator available in the portal of the project, in relation to that rate of profit of 0.5% in the Bronze plan will it always be this rate? Will there be any change over time?


The rate will not stay constant. At first, when we scale the operation, it will probably increase but as more and more competitors are joining the arbitrage market the price spreads will not be as high as nowadays.  It may result over time in a drop of daily interest  – but this is not going to happen soon.
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June 17, 2018, 11:07:06 PM
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Why are people talking about a mysterious ‘ponzi’ scheme? What are the real proofs of Arbitao being the one?
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June 17, 2018, 11:10:16 PM
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Arbitao is not promising a high return on investment.


You didn't promise this?
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Arbitao is a fully-working product, generating profits for the early investors
Then you don't need investors. You have fully working product which can give you 0.75% daily return. For what do you need $48,000,000?

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We’re talking 24/7, real-time analysis of 671 unique pairs on 10 exchanges to discover every profitable arbitrage opportunity and execute successful trades. Since May 16th, 2018 Arbitao executed more than 2.5 million arbitrage trades!

Have you already raised $15M?
If not, how you are operating on 10 exchanges?
Why do you need ICO if you have fully operating project working on 10 exchanges? Trades are in your dashboard, right?
The rate will not stay constant. At first, when we scale the operation, it will probably increase but as more and more competitors are joining the arbitrage market the price spreads will not be as high as nowadays.  It may result over time in a drop of daily interest
What does it mean? If I invest $10000, I won't earn...

...up to $20500+ ?

What now? Can I earn 20500$ or not?




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June 17, 2018, 11:10:27 PM
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Well, storing funds in USD a good idea in terms of stability but still I have some questions:How USD will be stored? Does your wallet support fiat? What about security matter here?
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June 17, 2018, 11:20:54 PM
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Hi guys! I’ve participated in ICO that is about arbitrage trading. What are your advantages compared to other similar companies Huh

You can find a competitor analysis in our ten pager: https://static.arbitao.com/presskit/Arbitao_Ten_Pager.pdf

Main differences:

- tested working product (done)
- the least platform/commission fee (done)
- open for small, medium and big investors (done)
- already working with 19 exchanges (done)
- trades are transparent on the website (done)
- unique infrastructure which reduces latency by up to x100 (partly done)
- built on a dedicated blockchain, not ERC20 (done + improvements coming)
- decentralized contributing of computing power (WIP)
- use your own algorithms for arbitrage (WIP)

Hi, Is it possible for me to invest in the existing pools?
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June 17, 2018, 11:23:49 PM
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Meanwhile, would you be so kind as to link to your charter in the UK - or anywhere else for that matter - because us Internet sleuths like myself are hard-pressed in uncovering any such documents in spite of Arbitao being incorporated since Dec. 2016.

Uh oh... could they be operating illegally in the UK for two years  Shocked



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June 17, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
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I love the idea that u suggest we are trading as a community and that there is no competition between users... but there will be no equal distribution of income, meaning those who invest and contribute more will get more profit, so there still be the ones who will get much less than others, for example really small investors

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June 17, 2018, 11:38:54 PM
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Arbitao is not promising a high return on investment.


You didn't promise this?
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Arbitao is a fully-working product, generating profits for the early investors
Then you don't need investors. You have fully working product which can give you 0.75% daily return. For what do you need $48,000,000?

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We’re talking 24/7, real-time analysis of 671 unique pairs on 10 exchanges to discover every profitable arbitrage opportunity and execute successful trades. Since May 16th, 2018 Arbitao executed more than 2.5 million arbitrage trades!

Have you already raised $15M?
If not, how you are operating on 10 exchanges?
Why do you need ICO if you have fully operating project working on 10 exchanges? Trades are in your dashboard, right?
The rate will not stay constant. At first, when we scale the operation, it will probably increase but as more and more competitors are joining the arbitrage market the price spreads will not be as high as nowadays.  It may result over time in a drop of daily interest
What does it mean? If I invest $10000, I won't earn...

...up to $20500+ ?

What now? Can I earn 20500$ or not?




Look at us, we like to build pyramids, but that girl in the front (on the left side) forget how our logo looks like, but that is ok, it still looks like pyramid.

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You didn't promise this?

The 0.75% profit is profit approximation of the system we have created and in general it gave out 0.75% profits but of course there are risks involved and hence we are not promising anything big yet.


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Have you already raised $15M?
If not, how you are operating on 10 exchanges?
Why do you need ICO if you have fully operating project working on 10 exchanges? Trades are in your dashboard, right?

The platform is working because of initial investors and yes arbitao covers 10 exchanges and yes you can check trading history in the dashboard, however we trade on small amounts. To cover all arbitrage opportunities on 10 exchanges and 671 unique pairs (based on daily trade volume and market depth) we need more money on the exhanges.


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What does it mean? If I invest $10000, I won't earn...

Since an investor you must be aware that yes the calculator shows the approximate profits but you may not earn the mentioned profits because the market is volatile and margins are changing every minute.
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