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April 09, 2014, 11:57:05 PM
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It is not real because there is no intent of actually using it to buy. It is only being placed there to influence other people into buying in front of it.. People are willing to buy at that price because they are tricked into thinking that is the real current price. You are right; it is a very common market manipulation tactic. One to be vary wary of because it indicates there isn’t enough real support to maintain the current level..

The idea that this is better for the market is ludicrous. It is only better for the short-term benefits of those who are already heavily invested in BC. But this makes it a very bad time for new, big, investors to join in if they are smart enough to see what is going on.

you can't make the claim.. you don't know. it hasn't even been tested yet. you have completely discredited your own argument.

now yes.. of course it could be fake, but you asserting that you "know", when in fact, nothing has been proven yet.

Wouldn't a "smart" investor look at our graphs and see "Hey that's good. Price has gone up. Anything under 10K is good." Then look at charts and see "Massive buy and no slippage!" We issued that press release so new whales would come in so let's wait for one.

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April 09, 2014, 11:59:05 PM
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BC has now leapfrogged Novacoin to 18th Marketcap, slow & steady Smiley
http://coinmarketcap.com/
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April 10, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
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Wouldn't a "smart" investor look at our graphs and see "Hey that's good. Price has gone up. Anything under 10K is good." Then look at charts and see "Massive buy and no slippage!" We issued that press release so new whales would come in so let's wait for one.

the retracements getting smaller and smaller heading for a breakout? yes, a smart investor would get in somewhere if not in already. check out the mintpal max chart.

of course, large holders can always throw a screw in these kind of things if they want to.

BC has now leapfrogged Novacoin to 18th Marketcap, slow & steady Smiley
http://coinmarketcap.com/

another one bites the dust.

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April 10, 2014, 12:00:59 AM
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At times you really do seem on a mission. What would you say that mission is?

I realise that a particular cryptocurrency can be an object of affection for many, but once you've been through a few of them they start to be less so. It also helps to know what the real basis for the valuation is.

I don't have a "mission" as you put it other than to determine what that basis is. In that regard, it's a matter of documented fact that no amount of over enthusiastic promotion and bluster about 'great communities', media exposure and "not going back" has anything other than an ambiguous effect on the price. The reason I might appear "on a mission" to some is because whenever I see that amount of bluster while the basis for the valuation remains unclear, alarm bells go off. I suspect that most people don't actually know what they're investing in, although some might.

If I'm investing in "hype" then fine. It might still go far but as long as I'm aware of it I can make a genuine assessment as to my own valuation. On the other hand if it's more than hype then equally, thats usefull to know. For example Peercoin has a genuinely thought out cryptoeconomic role as a 'backbone' mechanism for large financial transactions with appropriate transaction fees and associated properties to deter small transactions. (I'm not a holder). Darkcoin (potentially) has a trustless anonymous transmission feature which clearly gives it a role - even for holders of other currencies. NxT has a potentially self-sustaining business model in the form of network services which supply 3rd party asset holders.

The fact that holders of a coin "value" it in an affectionate sense is no substitute for such an economic role. There are plenty of POS coins out there that can substitute for Blackcoin. So at the moment I'm thinking that this coin's value is based on the multipool effect and some strong promotion. I'm not saying thats bad, I'm just saying it's *it*.

Regarding the substance of your post: The phrase you have coined, "parasitic mining" is wonderfully sensationalist rhetoric. But it's based on a false premise, and a false analogy. This rhetorical trick supports a dichotomy you have set up, between "genuine" and "artificial", which you then abuse to the point of fallacy. The parasite analogy while colorful does not accurately describe the relationship between our multipool and the coins mined. Nor is there any "artificial" happening here. The multipool is a mechanism by which genuine Blackcoin fans genuinely express their genuine valuation for the coin

I think this is as open to interpretation as any impartial observer sees fit. I agree with your false analogy from the point of view of a Blackcoin holder. But if you were a Kruger or Ruby coin holder, who Coinwarz suggests are the current targets of the multipool, you'd probably go with the "Parasitic" angle.

Actually, I used that word in a very specific context which is that it adds value to the coin which originates outwith the coin's own crypto-economic properties (in contrast to the 3 examples I gave above). In fact it originates in other coins. In that respect it's appropriate - albeit the strategy is perfectly legitimate.

As I say, I don't mind holding and supporting the coin. I just want to be clear about what it is I am holding.
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April 10, 2014, 12:03:45 AM
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i think you could go about it a little differently, your kind of makin an ass of yourself. but hey, if you don't care.. who cares. do your thing homeboy. you must've been on the debate team huh.

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April 10, 2014, 12:04:35 AM
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BlackCoin Mac OS X Update v1.0.5.1

—  to be released shortly, fixing dependency bug.
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April 10, 2014, 12:07:55 AM
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Guys, just want to let you know about scamming pool.
Do not trust to them. They haven't paid me at all!  Angry

http://blackcoinminer.com

I see 0 miners mining on that pool
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April 10, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
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If I'm investing in "hype" then fine. It might still go far but as long as I'm aware of it I can make a genuine assessment as to my own valuation. On the other hand if it's more than hype then equally, thats usefull to know. For example Peercoin has a genuinely thought out cryptoeconomic role as a 'backbone' mechanism for large financial transactions with appropriate transaction fees and associated properties to deter small transactions. (I'm not a holder). Darkcoin (potentially) has a trustless anonymous transmission feature which clearly gives it a role - even for holders of other currencies. NxT has a potentially self-sustaining business model in the form of network services which supply 3rd party asset holders.


I am exhausted reading this literary diarrhea. If you think there are coins with more potential then why are you invested in BC? Besides speculation and pages of useless opinions do you bring anything to this community to help BC grow? Have you donated to any project? What would YOU do next to keep our forward momentum?
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April 10, 2014, 12:13:57 AM
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breaking news !!

my mom has 9k BC  Grin

I was telling about them and she told she want them too lol

Hahaha +1!

lol
Congrats mama
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April 10, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
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I have to say i am very impressed with the BC community so far. Keep up the good work!
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April 10, 2014, 12:19:12 AM
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I am exhausted reading this literary diarrhea. If you think there are coins with more potential then why are you invested in BC? Besides speculation and pages of useless opinions do you bring anything to this community to help BC grow? Have you donated to any project? What would YOU do next to keep our forward momentum?

I helped BC to grow by buying it LoL. What else to you want potential investors to do ?

For all you know, once the dumps start half the fanatics posting on here will all have scurried and I'll still be here holding because I know what I bought. (From all the over obsessing about the price, thats what it looks like anyway).

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April 10, 2014, 12:20:41 AM
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It is not real because there is no intent of actually using it to buy. It is only being placed there to influence other people into buying in front of it.. People are willing to buy at that price because they are tricked into thinking that is the real current price. You are right; it is a very common market manipulation tactic. One to be vary wary of because it indicates there isn’t enough real support to maintain the current level..

The idea that this is better for the market is ludicrous. It is only better for the short-term benefits of those who are already heavily invested in BC. But this makes it a very bad time for new, big, investors to join in if they are smart enough to see what is going on.

you can't make the claim.. you don't know. it hasn't even been tested yet. you have completely discredited your own argument.

now yes.. of course it could be fake, but you are asserting that you "know", when in fact, nothing has been proven yet.

how do we know the 40btc sell wall is real also? we don't. it ain't been hit.

i know you are not new to markets, you talk the talk.. so i assume you know all of this already.

You are right the sell walls very well could be fake as well, or not. The big difference is, we know that the buy wall is fake because it has been said that it is fake. Because of that simple fact there is no need to "test" it and my argument is in noway discredited by it having not been tested. Nonetheless, if it were tested I imagine it would get pulled. Nobody gunna test a whopper of a wall like that, though, unless they know and have a lot of something..
I just think that, considering this is the time that the marketing has kicked in and we are trying to bring in new and big investors, that the state of the market needs to be real before any new, big investors will consider coming in (most big investors are smart enough to read the markets). That is why I think this is bad in the long run.
Anyways rant over. Sorry the intrusion.
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April 10, 2014, 12:24:10 AM
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hellohellooo, i mean no disrespect.. but i think we are arguing semantics here. nowhere did i see that the buywall was fake. all he said is that they had established a floor as a reaction to downward pressure. that could be a completely legitimate claim and you know it. this is completely common market behavior, you are just seeing more transparency than you are used to. never did he admit it was fake, that was your perception of his post.

there is no way to know if an order is fake unless it gets hit and the following reaction. this is black and white. read his post again.

if you don't know what i mean and you haven't done it yet, go trade btc/usd. it's common.

btw.. with all the work he's put forth.. i highly doubt he's putting up fake walls.

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April 10, 2014, 12:25:13 AM
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BlackCoin Mac OS X Update v1.0.5.1

—  fixes the OpenSSL heartbleed bug
—  implements latest blackcoin commits
—  features QR Code support
—  now working on OS X 10.6 -- 10.9

URL: http://www.mediafire.com/download/oqrw134hfhsl94a/BlackCoin-Qt-MacOSX-v1.0.5.1.zip

SHA: 878e719a18ffc71c7eba170d18eec7321488eb0a

BC tips: BF3AYX1tGXWwgUaHoPxGjYG9ajj9g8L3Uz

Thanks a lot again!

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April 10, 2014, 12:30:20 AM
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i know you are not new to markets, you talk the talk.. so i assume you know all of this already.

They only like to talk the side that benefits their position. Cheesy
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April 10, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
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i know you are not new to markets, you talk the talk.. so i assume you know all of this already.

They only like to talk the side that benefits their position. Cheesy

touche. i need to go get some sun lol..

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April 10, 2014, 12:32:22 AM
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I havent posted here at all but I am very active on the irc channel as africanos.

I live in Cyprus just so you guys now.

I would like moderndezigns to personally apologize to me for the giveaway as I am shelling out my own $ without even being part of the dev team or know them personally.

I am giving away 40% (dollar value ATM) of my wallet in prizes as I believe in Black Coin and the team.

I am the person that contacted webbson and got Black Coin on www.poolpicker.eu

I did a wallet verification for the Asrock H81 motherboard winner (Jabulon) that you can see on my wallet address for the 0.021 BC transaction - BPBFQLvvkevRBFfq2MKE2tTjEi6T6xC1Lu

For those that dont believe in BC or come here just to troll you should find somewhere else to go and "have fun".

I am personally losing alot of time and money promoting Black Coin - But hey I LOVE IT !!!!

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April 10, 2014, 12:36:25 AM
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BlackCoin Mac OS X Update v1.0.5.1

—  fixes the OpenSSL heartbleed bug
—  implements latest blackcoin commits
—  features QR Code support
—  now working on OS X 10.6 -- 10.9

URL: http://www.mediafire.com/download/oqrw134hfhsl94a/BlackCoin-Qt-MacOSX-v1.0.5.1.zip

SHA: 878e719a18ffc71c7eba170d18eec7321488eb0a

BC tips: BF3AYX1tGXWwgUaHoPxGjYG9ajj9g8L3Uz

Seems to crash on 10.9.2. I can supply the error screen if you need it.

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April 10, 2014, 12:38:52 AM
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BlackCoin Mac OS X Update v1.0.5.1

—  fixes the OpenSSL heartbleed bug
—  implements latest blackcoin commits
—  features QR Code support
—  now working on OS X 10.6 -- 10.9

URL: http://www.mediafire.com/download/oqrw134hfhsl94a/BlackCoin-Qt-MacOSX-v1.0.5.1.zip

SHA: 878e719a18ffc71c7eba170d18eec7321488eb0a

BC tips: BF3AYX1tGXWwgUaHoPxGjYG9ajj9g8L3Uz

Seems to crash on 10.9.2. I can supply the error screen if you need it.

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Crashes on 10.6 too.  Yea, I'm staying old school and stable!

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April 10, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
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BlackCoin Mac OS X Update v1.0.5.1

—  fixes the OpenSSL heartbleed bug
—  implements latest blackcoin commits
—  features QR Code support
—  now working on OS X 10.6 -- 10.9

URL: http://www.mediafire.com/download/oqrw134hfhsl94a/BlackCoin-Qt-MacOSX-v1.0.5.1.zip

SHA: 878e719a18ffc71c7eba170d18eec7321488eb0a

BC tips: BF3AYX1tGXWwgUaHoPxGjYG9ajj9g8L3Uz

Thanks a lot again!

https://twitter.com/CoinBlack/status/454051495814897666

All wallets on http://www.blackcoin.co are now updated for the #heartbleed fix


Possibly a stupid question, but based on the website's info about the rpc being disabled by default, does that mean if I was previously using compiled windows binary wallets from the website directly, and simply updated to the latest wallet I shouldn't have to create a new wallet/passkey/etc.?

If I do, can someone give me some dumb simple steps to follow to do that? I apologize, but I'd like to update and secure things but want to do it correctly without problems.

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