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March 01, 2014, 05:29:33 PM
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but in entire ukraine.
Check the ethnic map of Ukraine.

The English version Smiley. As most people here don't know how to read Russian.

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March 01, 2014, 05:34:41 PM
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As most people here don't know how to read Russian.


If there will more than 1 State, or 3 large autonomyis, that will be similar to this map:


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March 01, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
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but in entire ukraine.
Check the ethnic map of Ukraine.

... Doesn't give the russians the right to invade/occupy a sovereign country.

Otherwise europe could just aswell start occupying the US, canada, australia and God knows how many more countries. The dutch could occupy most of belgium following thesame reasoning...

If russia occupies the eastern, non-crimea part of ukraine it proves to be no better than germany invading poland. And putin proves himself to be the new Hitler.

There's no legal body in the eastern part of ukraine requesting help from russia. Only crimea has done so thus far.

The UN as well as the US will most likely look at it that way.

Even russian forces in crimea is by international law a breach of sovereign territory.(ukraine) Also, kiev is supposed to go in with military itself to protect crimea from the russians occupying the place. let's just hope the current people in power aren't stupid enough to try and regain military control over crimea. But by law, they should.

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March 01, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
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... Doesn't give the russians the right to invade/occupy a sovereign country.

See how to invade Slavonia and cut Serbia.

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March 01, 2014, 06:16:49 PM
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... Doesn't give the russians the right to invade/occupy a sovereign country.

Otherwise europe could just aswell start occupying the US, canada, australia and God knows how many more countries. The dutch could occupy most of belgium following thesame reasoning...

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Well, hell.  Boys, why're we waiting?  Let's get on it.

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March 01, 2014, 08:44:07 PM
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but in entire ukraine.
Check the ethnic map of Ukraine.

... Doesn't give the russians the right to invade/occupy a sovereign country.

Otherwise europe could just aswell start occupying the US, canada, australia and God knows how many more countries. The dutch could occupy most of belgium following thesame reasoning...

If russia occupies the eastern, non-crimea part of ukraine it proves to be no better than germany invading poland. And putin proves himself to be the new Hitler.

There's no legal body in the eastern part of ukraine requesting help from russia. Only crimea has done so thus far.

The UN as well as the US will most likely look at it that way.

Even russian forces in crimea is by international law a breach of sovereign territory.(ukraine) Also, kiev is supposed to go in with military itself to protect crimea from the russians occupying the place. let's just hope the current people in power aren't stupid enough to try and regain military control over crimea. But by law, they should.

I do agree with you. It's not right to interfere in the affairs of a sovereign country. Maybe Russia  under the pretext of helping russians in Ukraine is going to begin a war as it was with the South Ossetia conflict

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March 01, 2014, 09:28:38 PM
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Maybe Russia  under the pretext of helping russians in Ukraine is going to begin a war as it was with the South Ossetia conflict

Who begin to kill civilians and peace keeping russian soldiers in the South Ossetia?
Tell me please.

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March 01, 2014, 09:49:12 PM
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If you have studied political situation in the Ukraine you must know that there are a lot of neo-nazis among Maidan rioters who took power in Kiev. Crimea's population are mostly Russian and they will never agree to live under this government!
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March 02, 2014, 12:49:48 AM
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I thought Stalin was dead. Why don't they just move back? Or is Stalin still forcing the Russian settlers to stay and suffer under the brutal leadership of the evil Ukrainian Nazis? You guys are full of shit. Get off the Internet.
Crimea was a part of Russia until 1954 when Nikita Khrushev simply donated it to the Ukraine to show friendship of USSR's govt. Russians are the majority here and Ukraininan Nazis strongly hated in Crimea!
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I'm from the west and the media is indeed putting it like that. Can't expect them to be objective, right? Lol

Nevertheless, I don't think the west is in any position to intervene in a military way, luckaly! Europe is weak, and the US isn't going to engage in a war with russia unless they are intend on war and use this as an excuse, wich I doubt. Also, the US is bound to lose a war in russia's backyard.

So in the end, europe and the US will talk and make speeches and that's all they'll do.

That's what's so dangerous about our media, A lot of people in America still don't understand that the MSM is bought and paid for and they take what they hear at face value.

But i don't think we would send any troops over there, I'm sure the paid shill media will try to spin it like we should though.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/Ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

For the Crimean peninsula, Wikipedia says:

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Ethnic groups (2001)    

    58.32% Russians
    24.32% Ukrainians
    12.10% Crimean Tatars

Oh, that's strange. It seems that the Tatars don't even exist according to the Russian map! This must mean that Wikipedia is lying. There's no such thing as a Tatar ethnic minority!


Are you blind? washingtonpost is totally American font "of true".

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What next? Wikipedia will start inventing other crazy names like "Cossacks"?
Learn about Cossack Republic in Northern Italy.

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On the somewhat wackjob funny side is the old soviets at Crimea saying they're "protecting it from the Fascists".
If they missed it, most likely they did, despite the Communists use "Fascist" as an insult, Communists ARE Fascists, the only tiny difference between them is about private property, fascism allows it to some, communism doesn't allow it at all. Other than that, they're faces of the very same old and rotten coin.

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March 02, 2014, 02:58:00 AM
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You guys are so full of shit! Just look where Crimea is on the globe. It's closer to fucking TURKEY than Moscow. Open your eyes.

If there will be not projected Crimean Jewish Socialist State, no one exchange hazarian tartars to jews.
You have shit only in your brain.

(Learn better from where comes turks to actual "Turkey")

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March 02, 2014, 03:15:26 AM
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On the somewhat wackjob funny side is the old soviets at Crimea saying they're "protecting it from the Fascists".
Have You idea about what is "ethnic cleansing" in modern Europe hystory?
In Caucasus,in Yugoslavia, in Transistria?

Have you listen about first decisions against Russian language in Ukraine made from "Government of Victory"?

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On the somewhat wackjob funny side is the old soviets at Crimea saying they're "protecting it from the Fascists".
Have You idea about what is "ethnic cleansing" in modern Europe hystory?
In Caucasus,in Yugoslavia, in Transistria?

Have you listen about first decisions against Russian language in Ukraine made from "Government of Victory"?

So what? Russians didn't fall short on those accounts. They are far from being poor innocent peasants.
If we want to do something about it is leave the past in the past and try to not repeat the things, otherwise an eye for an eye and we will end up all blind!
And specially leave those pathetic ideologies such as Fascism or Communism back where they belong: History books.

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March 02, 2014, 03:33:36 AM
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There is no "fascists", there are "neo nazi" with direct linking to WW2 personals in occupied Ukraine,

oher strange thing is calling salafi jihadists in war against Russia from "Government of Victory".


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Nazis are an hybrid "Communist-Fascist" thing that have their place in the deep bottom of History, under that section that reads "Leave this to rot in Hell".

I have to say, my deepest sorrow about mankind is that we are so attached to old ideologies, mostly from XVIII or XIX Century which are filled with loopholes, mass murders, dictators and everything that comes along. We are the generation that studied most and still no new order manages to come out, just travesty versions of the same old sh*t.
About historical vengeances, the Russians that live today have nothing to do with the mass famine of the Ukrainians by 33 and the Ukrainians that live today don't have anything to do with... I never heard of any Ukrainians massacring Russians or anything, but if they did, whoever was doing that is most likely long dead.

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I never heard of any Ukrainians massacring Russians or anything, but if they did, whoever was doing that is most likely long dead.

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I never heard of any Ukrainians massacring Russians or anything, but if they did, whoever was doing that is most likely long dead.

Learn about ukrainians in Chechnya involved in salafi terrorist activity in 1989-2014 and ukrainians in Georgia in 2008.

Great, conspiracy theories! Now Ukrainians are supporting terrorism. How convenient! I don't believe that crap if it comes from USA, now imagine from ex-USSR!
And even so, if they some Ukrainians joined Georgia or Muslim crackpots, it doesn't mean Ukraine did.

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March 02, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
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I never heard of any Ukrainians massacring Russians or anything, but if they did, whoever was doing that is most likely long dead.

Learn about ukrainians in Chechnya involved in salafi terrorist activity in 1989-2014 and ukrainians in Georgia in 2008.

Common , stop with the constipation theories ..
I bet there were also some russian terrorist there too, how about the Russian invading... Russia?

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