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"People's will" isn't expressed during an armed invasion at a referendum without supervision and with ballots already filled up.

Three errors in once sentence. Speechless! Highlighted them for you. Now go and do some research, please.

Supervised by the Russian Army?  Tongue
Damn Soviets! Invite a bunch of fellows to play as observers and second the bullshit doesn't count.
Any referendum would need a campaign, a free campaign from both sides, public discussion, time for put the observers and prepare the operation. A referendum within 2 weeks with the Russian army around is a plain load of bullshit. Just a Soviet tactic to make it look like "the people's will".

It's not exactly the Russian Army, but Spetsnaz. Quoting from Jane's:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has consistently denied that what the Ukrainian media widely refers to as the 'little green men' currently controlling key facilities in Crimea are Russian troops, maintaining a pretence that they are instead 'local self-defence groups'.

Further to the CPC report, images passed to IHS Jane's by another source close to the OSCE clearly show many examples of equipment specific to the Russian military - and in some cases Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) - being used by the 'little green men' in Crimea. Among these are: Spetsnaz-style muzzle brakes on Russian AK-100 series assault rifles; VSS (Vintorez) suppressed 9 mm sniper rifles issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations; Russian RPG-26 anti-tank rocket launchers; Russian NVD 1P93 and USP-1 weapon sights; Russian 6B43 bulletproof vests, 6Sh117 tactical vests and ShBM helmets; and Russian R-168-0,5UME tactical radios.

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USSR was a democracy too, just too bad the opposition was sent in a one-way trip to Siberia before they can cast any vote.
Why are foreigners afraid of Siberia? I live in the Siberia!! It's not scary Cool

Afraid of Siberia?! Siberia has wonderful women and dogs. Just need some sun to become a paradise Grin

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Quoting RT (Russia Today) under a Canadian domain!  Grin
Is it all that you are able to say? It's so disappointing... Especially when we've seen all of this things in the live video.

About enriching nuclear fuel, obviously if we can do it elsewhere and contaminate to death some foreigner soil, why not?
It seems that you are not so competent in this subject too, which is not surprising.

Enriching is only a little step of this process. It's possible to have a fuel and even own technology while being unable to use it within another environment. And there are some examples of the consequences.

But... the technology to do it is American, not Russian and we can also produce it.
Is it a joke?

Invite a bunch of fellows to play as observers and second the bullshit doesn't count.
Are you claiming that Gysi and others were paid by Putin? Do you have any proof for that? Smiley

Btw, it's obvious that referendum shouldn't be performed in such way... But sometimes there are no options.

and contaminate to death some foreigner soil
Don't follow the greenpeace zombies ever. Nuclear industry is one of the cleanest energy sources.

Any referendum would need a campaign, a free campaign from both sides, public discussion, time for put the observers and prepare the operation.
I guess that 60 years & total collapse of the economy were enough for the campaign. We have enough this shit, thanks. Anyway, I haven't seen any preliminary discussion about a coup in the Kiev... So don't involve such complex issues... Because it's much more awkward position for the current "government".

Soviets are still Soviets!  Grin
Damn Soviets!
I recommend you to review your rhetoric, because it's obvious that you have not enough information to make conclusions. So you can ask your questions in this topic to make our discussion reasonable. If you haven't interested in the reasonable dialogue then you are free to get out and make your business in another place.
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March 19, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
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About enriching nuclear fuel, obviously if we can do it elsewhere and contaminate to death some foreigner soil, why not? "Foreigner investment" is a pain, just a 3rd World country like yours (or mine for that matters) wants it. But... the technology to do it is American, not Russian and we can also produce it.
Wouldn't they have already started producing it?  Roll Eyes

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March 19, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
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USSR was a democracy too, just too bad the opposition was sent in a one-way trip to Siberia before they can cast any vote.
Why are foreigners afraid of Siberia? I live in the Siberia!! It's not scary Cool

Afraid of Siberia?! Siberia has wonderful women and dogs. Just need some sun to become a paradise Grin

However you define Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia), it stretches quite far South. Temperatures during summer can be as high as 27C (78F) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia#Climate) Smiley

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March 19, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
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"People's will" isn't expressed during an armed invasion at a referendum without supervision and with ballots already filled up.

Three errors in once sentence. Speechless! Highlighted them for you. Now go and do some research, please.

Supervised by the Russian Army?  Tongue
Damn Soviets! Invite a bunch of fellows to play as observers and second the bullshit doesn't count.
Any referendum would need a campaign, a free campaign from both sides, public discussion, time for put the observers and prepare the operation. A referendum within 2 weeks with the Russian army around is a plain load of bullshit. Just a Soviet tactic to make it look like "the people's will".

It's not exactly the Russian Army, but Spetsnaz. Quoting from Jane's:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has consistently denied that what the Ukrainian media widely refers to as the 'little green men' currently controlling key facilities in Crimea are Russian troops, maintaining a pretence that they are instead 'local self-defence groups'.

Further to the CPC report, images passed to IHS Jane's by another source close to the OSCE clearly show many examples of equipment specific to the Russian military - and in some cases Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) - being used by the 'little green men' in Crimea. Among these are: Spetsnaz-style muzzle brakes on Russian AK-100 series assault rifles; VSS (Vintorez) suppressed 9 mm sniper rifles issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations; Russian RPG-26 anti-tank rocket launchers; Russian NVD 1P93 and USP-1 weapon sights; Russian 6B43 bulletproof vests, 6Sh117 tactical vests and ShBM helmets; and Russian R-168-0,5UME tactical radios.

Even if there was special ops presence (which I am not saying there was - Ukrainian military uses much the same equipment as the Russian one), the key question is what were they used for?

 - To coerce local population of Russians to vote? No - no need. The locals have been eager to reunite with Russia for 60 years now, more so after the dissolvement of the Soviet Union, when Crimea's development stopped. Have you been to Crimea? It was like taking a time machine back to the end of 1980-s.

 - To prevent possible sabotage/provocations from fascist militants? Yes. Quite a large number of weapons were confiscated by self-defence (or however you want to call them) that were attempted smuggled into Crimea prior to referendum. That included explosives, sniper rifles, sidearms, and blunt weapons.

 - To prevent the more radically inclined elements in local majority from doing anything silly as a result of possible provocations? Quite possible.

All we know that there was no blood shed before or during the referendum, which transitioned into peaceful folk street celebrations as the voting stations were closed for the day. If they were indeed special ops, they did their job well in preserving human lives.

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USSR was a democracy too, just too bad the opposition was sent in a one-way trip to Siberia before they can cast any vote.
Why are foreigners afraid of Siberia? I live in the Siberia!! It's not scary Cool

Afraid of Siberia?! Siberia has wonderful women and dogs. Just need some sun to become a paradise Grin

However you define Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia), it stretches quite far South. Temperatures during summer can be as high as 27C (78F) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia#Climate) Smiley

Summer here can go as high as 45C Grin

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A very good analytical interview here:
http://rt.com/op-edge/western-sanctions-leeway-russia-698/

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http://www.dp.ru/a/2014/03/17/Krimskaja_Partija_Regionov/
http://kommersant.ru/doc/2433298

Crimean branch of Regional Party plans to dissolve soon. Party members decided to join with "United Russia" (centrism and conservatism, majority of seats now) or "Rodina" (social-democracy, quite small) parties.
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indoor temperature ~ 20C, so I'm now in a t-shirt too Smiley

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Crimean branch of Regional Party plans to dissolve soon. Party members decided to join with "United Russia" (centrism and conservatism, majority of seats now) or "Rodina" (social-democracy, quite small) parties.

"United Russia" = liberalism, ZOG. "Rodina" = clowns collection in service of ZOG.
Russian Ruble is not controlled by Government of Russia = ZOG.

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ZOG is controlled by ZOG = ZOG
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkcqRPlI268

Mine camps in Crimea acting by using English language.

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ZOG is controlled by ZOG = ZOG

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http://www.rg.ru/2014/03/19/snaiper-site.html

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This is the new attorney of Crimea, chosen by Putin.
Natalia Poklonskaya  Wink

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Natalia Poklonskaya  Wink
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.msg5764392#msg5764392

It's better to don't underestimate her, because she has achieved the cancellation of several acquittals. She has ~12 years of experience in law enforcement, she investigated a number of terrible crimes. Roll Eyes

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I think that Russia broke Budapesht treaty of 1994 and it is not good. But Crime was russian before and people want to live in Russia.
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I think that Russia broke Budapesht treaty of 1994
How much people are listening the EU & US propaganda? Remember that you have to read something about the subject before making any conclusions. Don't trust any media, they are almost all just liars and manipulators.

They are trying to exploit people's ignorance while claiming that Budapest Memorandum guarantees anything. It does not, because it's just a piece of paper.

Any treaty, memorandum or legislation does not apply until it has been ratified by all sides of deal. Neither Ukrainian nor Russian side have not been ratified this document. The USA and UK didn't ratified this memorandum too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification

This memorandum never had any power, so it can't be broken... Even if it would be ratified, USA broke it a long time ago and multiple times.
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