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January 09, 2022, 03:59:47 PM
Last edit: January 09, 2022, 04:33:52 PM by Coinfan |
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Yes they are however, as previously said, if you wish to appoint a new one, I'll gladly consider it. The prcoedure is quite simple: your Arbiter will send the request to our, we will notify the Judge about the change and agree about the transfer.
The Rock CFO would never send 35500 euros to anyone he wouldn't fully control. He created this "arbiter" as a collective entity and is hiding its identity to hide this fact. I bet the "arbiter" was created last year and that he is one of the creators with full control over it. Which means that he is the arbiter. He already confessed that he has full control over his "arbiter" and that he would receive copies of any documents received and would have a final word about any delusional release of funds, as quoted above on this thread. He could show evidence that I'm mistaken, but he won't. The evidence would confirm what I'm writing. He keeps lying about a judge. There is no judge, the case was archived or dismissed by the Italian prosecutor. There wasn't any communication to any of the email addresses that are on file and are quoted on the illegally published documents by him. And he never notified the prosecutor of the identity of his "arbiter". It would be very easy for the prosecutor to confirm that he controls the arbiter. He would end up jailed if he would, as sending money to (in reality) himself and pretending that he no longer has the money and owes me nothing is criminal fraud.
As is his custom he quietly ignores what I wrote about his lies on his invented norm that would regulate his criminal behavior on my case. His lies fulfilled the intended purpose, to mislead his italian customs reading his thread, now it's time to quietly ignore them. |
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January 10, 2022, 07:45:16 AM |
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Challenge us.
Appoint an Italian legal Arbiter and we'll see.
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January 14, 2022, 10:24:52 PM |
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Challenge us.
Appoint an Italian legal Arbiter and we'll see.
If you truly wanted to end this affair, you would send the amount in bitcoin to the address quoted by the OP and that should be part of your archived records. This is the bitcoin cosmos, proprietorship of an address means identity confirmation. At the most, you would require merely some kind of document that gave you corroboration that the OP is the person you claim is the owner. Like a recent utility bill with the rest of personal details erased, except name and nationality. On the OP's shoes, I wouldn't send this to someone like you, though. You'll invent another ploy to keep the OP's money. The Italian legal Arbiter is just more of the same: delay tactic. |
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January 21, 2022, 06:17:56 AM |
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Challenge us.
Appoint an Italian legal Arbiter and we'll see.
If you truly wanted to end this affair, you would send the amount in bitcoin to the address quoted by the OP and that should be part of your archived records. This is the bitcoin cosmos, proprietorship of an address means identity confirmation. At the most, you would require merely some kind of document that gave you corroboration that the OP is the person you claim is the owner. Like a recent utility bill with the rest of personal details erased, except name and nationality. On the OP's shoes, I wouldn't send this to someone like you, though. You'll invent another ploy to keep the OP's money. The Italian legal Arbiter is just more of the same: delay tactic. Thank you but, unfortunatelly, Italian AML laws forbids such procedure. Also, assuming we could be able to do it, what will happen if the real owner will pop out and request her funds? The account owner must either proceed with a full KYC or indicate us an arbiter Anyhow, thank you for the inputs |
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Coinfan (OP)
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January 23, 2022, 03:25:49 PM |
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The Rock CFO still thinks that repeating a lie makes it more credible by miracle, forcing me to expose his methods and reveal the real facts. Thank you but, unfortunatelly, Italian AML laws forbids such procedure.
There is no KYC, as I'm no longer a customer. He cancelled my account and is just finding pretexts to keep my money. There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange. what will happen if the real owner will pop out and request her funds?
Sometimes he writes things that make me wonder if he thinks the readers are completely stupid. He doesn't seem to understand that claiming there is a owner different from me after four years just reveals the lies he has the nerve to write, publicly for everyone to read. Also I still own the bitcoin account I used to send the bitcoins I sold on his fake exchange. He should remember that many of his partners and some of his remaining few customers know this thread and are also reading his lies. Someone capable to lie like this to keep money from others will (and is lying) lie also to you. He is also hoping he will be able to keep hiding this and others sites revealing his scams to his investors. He has been very active trying to erase and bury all scam accusations against him, mines and from others. But the truth has an annoying tendency to keep reemerging. It's not only the authorities that will receive full details about this, their investors will be informed also. As is customary he avoided deny the accusation that he created the Super Bitard account to defend himself and defame my supporters. |
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January 31, 2022, 07:44:24 AM |
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There is no KYC, as I'm no longer a customer. He cancelled my account and is just finding pretexts to keep my money.
Note: The account has not been "canceled" it has been suspended till the account owner or the authority will request access to it. Thank you |
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Coinfan (OP)
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February 06, 2022, 07:19:58 PM |
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Note: The account has not been "canceled" it has been suspended till the account owner or the authority will request access to it.
Thank you
Now he is saying that my account wasn't cancelled, only suspended! If my account was only suspended and the Rock CFO indeed had send the money to a third party arbiter, he would have committed a felony, for sending money from a actual customer to a third party, able to run with the money or go bankrupt, without duly authorization. But we all already now that he didn't send the money no any third party. He told the police that the Rock Trading would create a segregated account, he didn't talk about any arbiter. He wouldn't never had the legal means to send any money from a customer to a third party.
The arbiter he invented is just a reiterated lie! He has my money at his free orders.
But if my account was just suspended, he his breaching the letter of Italian Law on this precise issue.
Italian Act 231/2007 as changed by Act 90/2017 says that if an exchange can't verify the identity it must close the account (article 42, n. 1) and so return the money.Also says that verification doesn't apply to bitcoin withdrawals only to fiat one (article article 3, n. 5, i). |
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Coinfan (OP)
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February 20, 2022, 04:30:08 PM |
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As some are aware the Rock CFO created a "Holding", a top corporation that comprehends different "businesses", its name is the Digital Rock Holding S.p.A.. It's time to direct the analysis to this fictional holding and "business group", that I neglected to address up to now. It has his website like a real business https://digitalrockholding.com and https://www.digitalrockholding.it/But following his stated lie that he intends to create the biggest corporation on crypto in the world, both the sites are written in Italian! Both have just 3 pages that are a copy of each other, saying nothing about who manages the Holding, who are its employees, its revenue, customers, real activity. Nothing. Just links to the "businesses" of the "group". They just proclaim to be "The first real European ecosystem dedicated to the world of cryptocurrencies". Which means nothing! They claim having 860.000,00 of capital. However, he sold 10% of it for 1.5 million euros!On the bottom of the page, another major lie: "Copyright © The Digital Rocks 2013 - 2020". He is implying that the "Holding" was founded on 2013!
According to this site https://opencorpdata.com/lei/81560051AAB939314538: The Digital Rock Holding S.p.A. initial Registration Date is 2021-02-05 (5th February 2021) The same information is confirmed by this site https://lei.report/LEI/81560051AAB939314538As address, it states Corso di Porta Romana 61 20122 - Milano (MI) Italia
But it's a paper address, shared by countless other businesseshttps://levillagebyca.it/en/contatti/https://opencorpdata.com/lei/815600A4A50114CACD90https://www.wowgreenhouse.it/wow-academy/https://www.globalsystemspa.com/contatti/https://www.paginebianche.it/milano/limoni.10919652He only created this fake holding to better scam investors on the crowdfunding in order to look like if they were investing on a major tech group.
I'll show on the next posts that all of the so-called businesses on his fake "group" have no value at all or an insignificant value.
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February 22, 2022, 09:30:28 AM |
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The Rock Trading scam drags on and on. I have to look to that holding too. I just found a site saying that they have 25 employees? The scammer Medri never stops with his lies. Invented persons. Those fake reviews on trustpilot are another nail on its scam coffin. He is lucky I had my hands full. I will found the time to collect the evidence and write about his scams to a italian financial authority. OP you should do the same. He thinks no one will do anything but posting.
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Coinfan (OP)
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March 05, 2022, 04:25:51 PM |
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It looks like the Rock CFO is thinking about a second round of crowdfunding scam, now "open for all" as he said (in Italian) here https://www.cryptocoinference.com/2022/01/17/the-rock-trading-e-main-sponsor-della-terza-edizione-di-crypto-coinference/The first scam worked and so far, so good. So nothing like trying his luck a second time and get more than the first 1.5 millions. He can forget about it. They will have to do a lot of publicity and I'll be on it. As soon as more details are announced, the crowdfunding company will receive all the evidence about their scams.
Any crowdfunding company will have to do due diligence before accepting the risk of any proposal and now there is clear evidence of his crimes. The videos I published about their scamming orderbooks and the complete changes on them on just a few days will be analyzed carefully. Their scam will be completely exposed.This is no longer just about my money. Their lies and lying complain won't serve for anything. And his scam reviews on Facebook and Trustpilot will help too. He can forget about deleting them. They are preserved on the usual site: https://web.archive.org/web/20220213175545/https://www.trustpilot.com/review/therocktrading.com?languages=all
The news page above quoted says that they were one of the major financial supporters of the crypto conference in Italy. They are trying to follow the quote One has to spend money to scam money.
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March 07, 2022, 09:43:22 AM |
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There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange. They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it). You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you. But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable. In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here. And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this. |
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March 11, 2022, 06:50:52 AM |
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There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange. They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it). You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you. But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable. In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here. And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this. Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you....... Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it.... Why he is not doing so? Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman. |
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Coinfan (OP)
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March 12, 2022, 04:13:30 PM |
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Thanks for your post. They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it).
Not even the Rock CFO, with all the lies he posted, raised once any issue of AML. I created my account on the Rock about 10 years ago. They saw my money increase thanks to the increase on bitcoin price. You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you.
But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable.
In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here.
Sorry but a Bank can't hold money deposited from a journalist because he wrote an article accusing the Bank of fraud. The exceptio veritatis is accepted by Italian Law. I have the right to publicly denounce their scams, because there isn't a single lie on my accusations. Not even them accused me of any specific lie. The Rock CFO never denied that he operates bots on his own fake "exchange", that the bots trade with their customers and trade with itself in order to create fake volume. He also never denied that he lied to the police on clear facts.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55687075#msg55687075And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this.
Can you real trust your money to people like these? If you are a customer since 2018, didn't you noticed the sudden enormous increase on orders from 2019 to 2020? Have you checked all orderbooks? I can't point to a specific one, because they change it after I denounce it to try to hide that all of them are fake. And they are using this to scam crowdfunding investors. Did you check about 40 fake reviews on their trust pilot? https://www.trustpilot.com/review/therocktrading.com?languages=all |
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March 15, 2022, 11:23:15 PM |
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Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......
Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....
Why he is not doing so? Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.
Just the customary false answer, after 4 years. The Op signed a message with a bitcoin address used to send bitcoins to your exchange and presented full additional evidence of proprietorship of the account. Enjoy your new feedback rating. Send regards to your accomplice Paci. |
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Coinfan (OP)
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March 19, 2022, 04:37:37 PM
Last edit: March 26, 2022, 03:26:15 PM by Coinfan |
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Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......
Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....
Why he is not doing so? Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.
Just the customary false answer, after 4 years. The Op signed a message with a bitcoin address used to send bitcoins to your exchange and presented full additional evidence of proprietorship of the account. Enjoy your new feedback rating. Send regards to your accomplice Paci. Thank you for your post and merits, Trading. The Rock CFO thinks that he will get different results by doing and saying the same thing: writing lies. The Rock CTO Paci (his name is public information, but I won't post it here) has refused to support publicly his own partner on his attempt to scam me. He never posted once on this thread and the only time he posted on my Italian thread (blocked abusively by the Italian moderator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.0) was to answer to a complain from a customer. Paci has his full hands on the bots/volume and crowdfunding scam. He is the CTO, he knows perfectly what is going on and most likely is he who manages the bots. The CFO seems to ignore all about technical stuff. Paci was one of the two founders of the scam Holding, together with the Rock CFO, I wrote about on my previous posts, Digital Rock Holding S.p.A., according to this sitehttps://www.italian.tech/db-startup/db/startup/digital_rock_holding-325774637/He is as guilty on the 1.5 crowdfunding scam as the Rock CFO. I won't name the person, but he knows perfectly well who will live in infamy for the rest of the life because of what he is doing. This person will have to bear the unbearable personal connection with him and will have to go see him in jail! And both are full preparing for a second round of crowdfunding scamming. I bet they went to Opstart, the crowdfunding company who managed their first scam, and they told them, forget about it!They will have to find a new crowdfunding company willing to take the risk. I'm waiting to know which one they will use.By the way, here is a picture of one of their markets BTC-USDT on 20 September 2021. Now the orderbook is completely different and misleading again https://therocktrading.com/en/market/BTCUSDTJust compare as the Bid ends at 1 but the Ask continued beyond the visible orderbook, completely massive. Tell me if this isn't a fake orderbook:  |
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