The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa

[saxydev]

Is it just me or the website seems to be offline?



Can someone else confirm? Maybe it's just my device or network.

All fine here, maybe is an issue with your network

[JollyGood]

Well, I am a little late to the thread after you posted the webpage loading issues. I checked it a little while ago and found the website does open up but there is some sort of issue on the server because the page takes too long to load.

After the distress the Rock Trading have caused to the OP, it would be some sort of justice served if their website went down permanently and they closed their business down. I am not advocating DDoS attacks or anything, on the contrary I am simply saying they did not run the business with ethics and morals therefore cannot be trusted and if they cannot be trusted they should simply stop trading.

Is it just me or the website seems to be offline?



Can someone else confirm? Maybe it's just my device or network.

[Coinfan]

Regarding the arbiter, you are not going to elaborate further because it will demonstrate to those interested that when it comes down to it the arbiter is effectively a ploy being used by you and your Rock Trading website. You have your own agenda here and it seems like from what the victim stated the arbiter is indirectly yourself.

Right on the target, JollyGood. As I wrote he already confessed that the arbiter is just a segregated account, nothing more:

funds would be placed on a "segregated" account. Which has been done.

I made this interpretation of his clear confession several times and he never denied that his arbiter is just him. At most, he created a legal entity that he fully controls. He just sent the money to himself.

He never posted again the blatant fraudulent lie that he no longer controlled my money, as he posted several times

is no longer in control of the funds which are securely held by a qualified third party.

Is it just me or the website seems to be offline?



Can someone else confirm? Maybe it's just my device or network.

If there was a problem with the Rock Trading web site it seems it was solved. At least looks like it is loading normally.

Thank you for your interest on my case, JeromeTash. Please, read the updated summary on the first postto know how the Rock CFO have been trying to steal my 35500 euros under the pretext of verification (against his own TOS/FAQ and Italian Law) for 4 years and how he uses fake orderbooks and volume to scam his investors and customers.

He sold 10% of his pathetic exchange (old, but with very few customers) for 1.5 million as if it was worth 15 million, with fake volume and profits.
See the evidence here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg57997246#msg57997246

[JollyGood]

This whole incident has brought you nothing but a lot of stress and unhappiness while at the same time it has destroyed the reputation of a little known crypto exchange that had potential to remain a tiny but important player for a European customer base. Thanks to the conduct by their chief operators they are never going to recover.

Eventually when they return the funds to you, there will be no winners here. The number of years you have waited and are still waiting for your funds in unacceptable. Likewise the number of years Rock Trading has seen the brand name being dragged through the dirt has been damaging too.

I cannot fault you for any of this and am laying all the blame at the Rock Trading CFO (eliale). He could have cleared up this mess a long time ago but seems to have been out to carrying out his vendetta against you. He can still fix this situation fast but is refusing to.

Regarding the arbiter, you are not going to elaborate further because it will demonstrate to those interested that when it comes down to it the arbiter is effectively a ploy being used by you and your Rock Trading website. You have your own agenda here and it seems like from what the victim stated the arbiter is indirectly yourself.

Right on the target, JollyGood. As I wrote he already confessed that the arbiter is just a segregated account, nothing more:

funds would be placed on a "segregated" account. Which has been done.

[Coinfan]

I cannot fault you for any of this and am laying all the blame at the Rock Trading CFO (eliale). He could have cleared up this mess a long time ago but seems to have been out to carrying out his vendetta against you. He can still fix this situation fast but is refusing to.

We need to add the 35500 euro that he already thinks is money on his pocket. He said he would post scans of the balance to where he sent money that he claims is my money every few months. But he never did this again.

Perhaps that money is still on the segregated account that he created under his control or perhaps he just used it to pay the inflated dividends to his scammed investors or to pay the expenses of their loss-making "Holding".

In the meantime, they updated the Rock Trading Website: www.therocktrading.com.

Possible, it was the implementation of this new look that forced them to suspend the operations on their website. They have so few customers that probably there wasn't any real problem.

In due time, I'll check all their markets in detail, looking for more evidence of the scam. At first glance, all looks the same: New clothes, but the same markets, with fake orderbooks and scam tactics of inflated volume created by their own bots trading with themselves.

They changed the appearance enough to look like if they had a new "exchange". Changing enough to allow the important to stay the same: scam as usual.

[Coinfan]

The new look on the Rock Trading website is just another step on the preparation of their second round of crowdfunding scam. But me and a few other bitcointalk members are on it. As soon as they announce the name of new crowdfunding company it will receive full details about their scams.

I have some videos I never posted since that would make them change the fake orderbook in question. Those videos are reserved as evidence for the police. But they will be used also to warn the new crowdfunding company about them. If they dare to try to scam again investors, they will answer for it.

There will be no warning. It might also be the perfect moment to take this all case and the previous crowdfunding scam to the Italian authorities. An crowdfunding campaign will raise suspicious and the amounts involved will convince everyone about the seriousness of the situation. Every detail of their operation will be scrutinized by financial professionals used to detect scams

The Rock CFO already show how greedy he is and the promise of this time getting a few free millions of euros from some naive fellow Italians will be too heavy for him to resist. So far nothing happened, he will go for it. And he will pay the price for his scams with his freedom.

[JollyGood]

I am sure if anything would make them sit up and take note it would be if they were going to be financially affected as a company. Whenever you have any news about their books/promotions and whatever else they create or publish in the hope they can gain a new round of investment, let me know because I also might contact them to tell them there far more to the Rock Trading than they are probably aware of.

They used a ridiculous claim against you in order to deprive you of use of your own funds for several years to the value of over 35,000 EURO and that is a horrible thing they did. You have suffered a lot because of their unfair and probably illegal behaviour towards you therefore I can understand your sentiments towards them.

The new look on the Rock Trading website is just another step on the preparation of their second round of crowdfunding scam. But me and a few other bitcointalk members are on it. As soon as they announce the name of new crowdfunding company it will receive full details about their scams.

[Coinfan]

I am sure if anything would make them sit up and take note it would be if they were going to be financially affected as a company. Whenever you have any news about their books/promotions and whatever else they create or publish in the hope they can gain a new round of investment, let me know because I also might contact them to tell them there far more to the Rock Trading than they are probably aware of.

I know I can count with your assistance and support as you have been doing for the last 4 years. Thanks a lot. I won't forget this.

I also have the support of a few more forum members and they have their eyes on this too. I bet this time the Rock CFO is going to try the jackpot to assure him and his major accomplice Paci a comfortable retirement. Since they didn't have the capacity to real take advantage of the crypto revolution, they have to scam most of the nickels they earn on the Rock.

He is planning to scam millions. He told people on a crypto conference that this time the crowdfunding will be "open for all" https://www.cryptocoinference.com/2022/01/17/the-rock-trading-e-main-sponsor-della-terza-edizione-di-crypto-coinference/ (Italian)

It's regretful that many forum members who are experts on detecting scams don't spend some time analyzing their orderbooks. I guess they think that since they have been trying to scam me for years I could post lies like the Rock CFO. A just end don't justify to use wrongful means. I would never do that.

Even the Rock CFO never denied that they operate bots on their own exchange. On their fake volume, the only thing he posted is that he would do a better job if he was faking volume. No he wouldn't, or he would have to pay even more on fake dividends to the scammed investors.

I posted evidence about their fake orderbooks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg57997246#msg57997246) and I can show more to anyone (except suspicious newbies, as the Rock CFO created many alt accounts to support himself) who sends me a private message. Every time I post evidence, they change their bot in order to better hide the scam.

[eliale]

I cannot fault you for any of this and am laying all the blame at the Rock Trading CFO (eliale). He could have cleared up this mess a long time ago but seems to have been out to carrying out his vendetta against you. He can still fix this situation fast but is refusing to.

We need to add the 35500 euro that he already thinks is money on his pocket. He said he would post scans of the balance to where he sent money that he claims is my money every few months. But he never did this again.

You are right! My apologies.   Link is now up to date.

Please, if you don't mind, next October remind me to update it

Thank you!!

Bank link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y9XrYsU0EmDVSUIZ0OlCrkDcnEh7X5Vf/view?usp=sharing

Legal procedure against Coinfan link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

[JollyGood]

Your conduct throughout this process have been quite shameful. It is clear to see there is one victim in all this drama and there is one perpetrator. You have not covered yourself in glory by presenting your side of the story in this manner. This is a serious matter, one which you instigated.

You should apologise to the OP and release the confiscated funds immediately because that with step it might allow some of the damage to the Rock Trading reputation to be repaired.

I cannot fault you for any of this and am laying all the blame at the Rock Trading CFO (eliale). He could have cleared up this mess a long time ago but seems to have been out to carrying out his vendetta against you. He can still fix this situation fast but is refusing to.

We need to add the 35500 euro that he already thinks is money on his pocket. He said he would post scans of the balance to where he sent money that he claims is my money every few months. But he never did this again.

You are right! My apologies.   Link is now up to date.

Please, if you don't mind, next October remind me to update it

Thank you!!

Bank link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y9XrYsU0EmDVSUIZ0OlCrkDcnEh7X5Vf/view?usp=sharing

Legal procedure against Coinfan link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

[Coinfan]

Jollygood and Trading, thank you again for your support.

And also many thanks for Halab for his merits to my last post: I'm honored from having the support of a Bitcointalk moderator/Je suis honoré d'avoir le soutien d'un modérateur de bitcointalk.

You are right! My apologies.   Link is now up to date.

How nice, the Rock CFO apologized for "forgetting" to repost the balance of the account of his fake arbitrator.

The true reason is that his scam of inventing a fake arbitrator to whom he sent money that he claims is mine and claiming he had sent the money to a independent third party failed completely. He still keeps the identity of the arbitrator anonymous as it would be easy to find out that he controls it.


At most it´s a legal entity created last year by him. And he confessed that is just a segregated account from the Rock.
Check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg57060338#msg57060338

Since his scam failed, there was no longer any real reason to repost any balance. But by apologizing and reposting the irrelevant balance he just found another pretext to spam again this thread with the same link to his lies.

But he can spam on, as long as he don't abuse too much, he bumps the thread.

[eliale]

Jollygood and Trading, thank you again for your support.

And also many thanks for Halab for his merits to my last post: I'm honored from having the support of a Bitcointalk moderator/Je suis honoré d'avoir le soutien d'un modérateur de bitcointalk.

You are right! My apologies.   Link is now up to date.

How nice, the Rock CFO apologized for "forgetting" to repost the balance of the account of his fake arbitrator.

The true reason is that his scam of inventing a fake arbitrator to whom he sent money that he claims is mine and claiming he had sent the money to a independent third party failed completely. He still keeps the identity of the arbitrator anonymous as it would be easy to find out that he controls it.

As said, please feel free to appoint a new licensed arbitrator and I'll gladly accept it.

Thank you!

[JollyGood]

I think you have caused too much damage to the reputation of the Rock Trading for it to be trusted but making the gesture of returning the funds (that you have kept for around 4 years) back to the OP will go a long way to demonstrate reform is taking place.

You have dragged this drama out for a long time, it is time to apologise to the OP and release the funds.

As said, please feel free to appoint a new licensed arbitrator and I'll gladly accept it.

[saxydev]

But how it's possible Coinfan that in 4 years the authorities to do nothing about your case?

Why not opening a civil law attack against their company? I know in Italy things are slow in justice, but not 4 years slow..

[eliale]

But how it's possible Coinfan that in 4 years the authorities to do nothing about your case?

Why not opening a civil law attack against their company? I know in Italy things are slow in justice, but not 4 years slow..

That's the point. He cannot follow your suggestion because, even though he had access to the account, he is not the owner......

[JollyGood]

Only Coinfan will be able to comment on the specifics regarding the legal action they were (or were going to) undertake. I hoped this matter would have been resolved by now because the OP did not deserve to be mistreated in such a manner by Rock Trading.

I hope the Rock Trading apologise and settle this matter returning the funds owed to the OP.

But how it's possible Coinfan that in 4 years the authorities to do nothing about your case?

Why not opening a civil law attack against their company? I know in Italy things are slow in justice, but not 4 years slow..

[Coinfan]

Thanks for your posts.

This isn't a case for civil courts, but for criminal ones.

This is no longer only about me. They scammed 1.5 million from investors and are scamming customers trading directly with them with their bots and taking advantage of market crashes at their expenses.

My case was subjected to 4 complains: one to the european Alternative Dispute Resolution, but the Italian Arbitrator never answered.

And, anyway, the Rock CFO posted that if he lost he wouldn't respect this decision:

However, if even in this case we won't be successful in obtaining the requested information, we are evaluating to open a case with Europol and ask them to investigate the issue.

By the way, Europol is just a coordinating institution and doesn't solve issues or complains, just send them to the competent authorities.

3 more Italian financial or criminal authorities received complains. Only one answered, but never said anything more. It seems that Internet complains are not a priority.

But the lawyer said I should wait for legal reasons taking in account the lies the Rock CFO invented. And this delay allowed to find out the extent of their scams. If he thinks he is going to walk from this with my money he is very wrong.

Soon, I'll post more evidence of the Rock Trading Exchange fake orderbooks and volume.

[saxydev]

I'm sorry to be the first one to tell you in this thread, but this is a matter for the civil court. And you have done nothing in 4 years. I don't see any reason why I would believe what you are saying.

Go to the court and fix it within 6 months to 1 year. You are the one losing money here.

Maybe you are right, they have fake order books, but how that helps your case? If your afirmation is not right, they can in the same way attack you and you may lose all your money and maybe way more.

[eliale]

I'm sorry to be the first one to tell you in this thread, but this is a matter for the civil court. And you have done nothing in 4 years. I don't see any reason why I would believe what you are saying.

Go to the court and fix it within 6 months to 1 year. You are the one losing money here.

Maybe you are right, they have fake order books, but how that helps your case? If your afirmation is not right, they can in the same way attack you and you may lose all your money and maybe way more.

As a matter of fact, there is a legal procedure against the OP for defamation. You could find the official docs at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

Thank you

[saxydev]

I'm sorry to be the first one to tell you in this thread, but this is a matter for the civil court. And you have done nothing in 4 years. I don't see any reason why I would believe what you are saying.

Go to the court and fix it within 6 months to 1 year. You are the one losing money here.

Maybe you are right, they have fake order books, but how that helps your case? If your afirmation is not right, they can in the same way attack you and you may lose all your money and maybe way more.

As a matter of fact, there is a legal procedure against the OP for defamation. You could find the official docs at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

Thank you

This is nothing, this is only a police complaint with aknowledge from the prosecutor, you did not went to the court. Same thing as OP, both parties doing nothing just complaining on a public forum