The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa

[JollyGood]

Mosprognoz, thank you a lot for your support. Having the support of the members of the community means a lot. The Rock CFO just got a new feedback.

Mirae, again, thank you for your continuous support and for your signature. Of course, my thanks again for JollyGood and s1lverbox, who have been on my side for months.

This is about to end.

Since the Italian Financial Authority and the Prosecutor office contacted haven't yet act, a full complaint is about to be send to the italian Garante per la Protezione dei Dati Personali:

www.gpdp.it
https://www.garanteprivacy.it

protocollo@pec.gpdp.it
urp@gpdp.it

The Rock CFO is about to realize how serious was to publish on this web forum almost all the customer personal details they had as a petty revenge.

I am so happy to read that the Rock Trading scammers will face serious consequences for posting private details in breach of privacy laws - they deserve to be shut down.

Also you deserve a lot of credit because you never backed down and you did not allow the scammers to win.

What happened about their claim to report to the Italian police that you might have murdered the "real" victim of their scam and stolen their login details and ID?

The imbecile eliale was adamant he would do it, he posted many times about going to the police 

[eliale]

Murdered??? No, I hope not

We will see what the Italian police will discover.

Thank you

[Coinfan]

I am so happy to read that the Rock Trading scammers will face serious consequences for posting private details in breach of privacy laws - they deserve to be shut down.
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What happened about their claim to report to the Italian police that you might have murdered the "real" victim of their scam and stolen their login details and ID?

They will answer for the breach of privacy and their lies, including the defamatory ones, invented to try to fool the community against all evidence.

The Garante per la Protezione dei Dati Personali was contacted yesterday. Let's wait for its answer.

To ruin any new lie about security reasons they might pretend to tell the authorities as "defense", now that this wallet is empty and there is no longer security or privacy issues, I'm posting here a verifiable signature using the main address used to deposit 2.34 bitcoins on The Rock Trading on 1 june 2017.

Transaction id: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/f9e99e8bdc89ed6682c07b749df79145eaf0ea0930da046eff746147bafc94b3/

The main address from which 1.9843 btcs came was 19XfLqEJUx5TcBW6LmdbrJpmRCM8gi61Hu

The destination address was 1F7MJnPbK3xiNLtTZED6442iHzHT2674NQ

Which is an old Rock Trading address used for customers to deposit bitcoins, as is confirmed here:
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/TheRockTrading.com-old?from_address=1F7MJnPbK3xiNLtTZED6442iHzHT2674NQ

In order that there can be no doubt to any reader, here is a scan of this transaction on The Rock Account transactions history with the date 1 june 2017 and number of transaction (I erased two digits for security reasons):



And here is the signed message:

Message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0

Address: 19XfLqEJUx5TcBW6LmdbrJpmRCM8gi61Hu

Signature: HxlkkoPWPbYiRaA6WGjN/Khv3sc/mt5/D1Yq5h7qUzXGOpQExacOSdatiIoPQWHE9+EmNA9P8EnCJuB+YOb3Zq4=

[Coinfan]

Comunque, abbiamo iniziato la procedura con la Polizia Postale.

Almost a month after the date, the Rock CFO wrote that they had "initiated the process" with the italian police.

I guess he means he looked on the yellow pages the phone number of the nearest police station. Process initiated... he can now post about it, without the need to do any other thing...

If necessary, Italian prosecutors and the other authorities contacted will receive several complaints about this, but they will act.

[Coinfan]

The Rock CFO at his best 3:

In order to try to fool bitcoiners and the authorities about this, the Rock CFO had to invent a "security" pretext to try to explain why they blocked covertly my money.

But he lacked imagination and, after months of refusing to explain why they blocked my money in the first place, he posted on the Italian board that they were doing all of this because the account was "dormant".

Inoltre, essendo stato un conto dormiente per parecchio tempo, dobbiamo verificare l'identità al fine di accertarci che sia la stessa persona originariamente registratasi.

essendo un conto che non e' stato dormiente per un po', dobbiamo verificare che il richiedente sia veramente chi dice di essere.  

However, this is another blatant lie, since they confessed here on 30 October 2018 that they had blocked all withdrawals 11 months ago, so on December 2017.

Yes!! 11 months is really a lot for a issue

I'm posting here a scan of the transactions that show that on December 2017 the account has several trades that continued on January (and also February and March):



(I erased some details for security reasons, but the dates are very clear)

By coincidence, they blocked without informing me all means of withdrawal right after the selling of all my bitcoins and for the first time had a high balance thanks to the rise in price of bitcoin on November/December 2017.

[JollyGood]

Comunque, abbiamo iniziato la procedura con la Polizia Postale.

Almost a month after the date, the Rock CFO wrote that they had "initiated the process" with the italian police.

I guess he means he looked on the yellow pages the phone number of the nearest police station. Process initiated... he can now post about it, without the need to do any other thing...

If necessary, Italian prosecutors and the other authorities contacted will receive several complaints about this, but they will act.

He cannot go to the Police, the Rock Trading owner is a compulsive liar. He kept on saying it because he wanted to apply pressure on you to make some sort of error or statement that could be latched on to but he was lying as usual.

The Rock Trading will hopefully close down very soon because it is selective scamming users such as you.

[Coinfan]

Yes, the Rock CFO posts lie after lie and is blocking covertly my money for more than 18 months, but he expects his exchange will survive this.

And, under his own version (which is a complete lie), he is doing all of this only because the account was "dormant".

Trust him and the Rock Exchange at your own risk.

[Coinfan]

The Rock CFO claiming that also he will go to the authorities is his second version of his posts asking me to complaint to the police.

It's a fake way to try to appear honest and prepare himself for a police intervention. It's like saying "I wasn't scamming anyone, I even wrote for him to complain to the police".

It's an well known scam tactic. This one did the same, even plagiarizing the Rock CFO:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088396.msg48857652#msg48857652

Of course, the Rock CFO posting after that he was ready to keep my money "forever" under his blackmailed and illegal pretext for verification ruined this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg47458158#msg47458158

[Coinfan]

It looks like that the Rock CFO is still very busy ""initiating the process" with the italian police.

The lies never end, on a continuous spree. But he thinks this won't affect their business. That the Rock Trading is going to survive this case.

[JollyGood]

It looks like that the Rock CFO is still very busy ""initiating the process" with the italian police.

The lies never end, on a continuous spree. But he thinks this won't affect their business. That the Rock Trading is going to survive this case.

What exactly are they playing at?

Do you know what the basis of their interaction with the Italian police actually is?

Do you know what their plan and end-game with the Italian police is?

These Rock Trading scammers are trying their best to delay the inevitable, they WILL return your funds to you but they are in the mean time trying to work out how they can save their reputation. I hope their reputation will never recover from this.

[Coinfan]

What exactly are they playing at?

Do you know what the basis of their interaction with the Italian police actually is?

Do you know what their plan and end-game with the Italian police is?

These Rock Trading scammers are trying their best to delay the inevitable, they WILL return your funds to you but they are in the mean time trying to work out how they can save their reputation. I hope their reputation will never recover from this.

This was just a lie. They won't dare taking this to the authorities. It could be a way to avert a more harsh penalty, but they know very well that they would be gambling with their freedom and incurring on a business shutdown and heavy fines.

Their ground about a "missing person" is ridiculous, as any lawyer would tell them.

And if any other reason was necessary, they already confessed several times on this thread that they know I'm the owner of the money:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50017001#msg50017001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50381769#msg50381769
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50353964#msg50353964

[Coinfan]

I'm asking forum members to please support my flag against the Rock CFO eliale and his partner, the Rock CTO Paci:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=207

They clearly breached a written contract based on their TOS/FAQ, and personal assurances, that verification is not mandatory, and are illegally holding my money for more than 18 months!

The fact that they changed their FAQ, last month, 9 months after this public fight started, and removed the sentence that said that "verification isn't mandatory", is a clear confession of this breach: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51152105#msg51152105

[s1lverbox]

Hi

Please retweet and like this tweet: https://twitter.com/cryptochangex/status/1143968795419168768

I did pinged some youtubeers to make them aware.

Keep going with your battle you will eventually get whats yours.

[eliale]

Please note:

1) Funds will be released as soon as the customer will provide KYC documents as requested by our TOS and EU AML directives

2) Aside withdraws, the account is operative.

Thank you

[JollyGood]

I'm asking forum members to please support my flag against the Rock CFO eliale and his partner, the Rock CTO Paci:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=207

They clearly breached a written contract based on their TOS/FAQ, and personal assurances, that verification is not mandatory, and are illegally holding my money for more than 18 months!

The fact that they changed their FAQ, last month, 9 months after this public fight started, and removed the sentence that said that "verification isn't mandatory", is a clear confession of this breach: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51152105#msg51152105

Well done on adding the flags, I added my support.

I hope others read through the thread and add their own support so these selective scammers can be held to account.

Just because these scammers are not stealing from every user on their exchange does not mean they are not scamming. These selective scammers use cunning excuses and techniques to steal so everybody beware of their scams.

[Coinfan]

s1lverbox, thanks for your tweet and your continuous support.

JollyGood, thanks for supporting my flags against them.

The Rock Trading CFO at his best IV:

Please note:

1) Funds will be released as soon as the customer will provide KYC documents as requested by our TOS and EU AML directives

Even him wrote that he was "anticipating" the V AML European Directive, confessing he knows very well that this directive isn't applicable in Italy because it wasn't converted into Italian Law yet::
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50016475#msg50016475 (italian)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50528161#msg50528161 (translation and comment)

He knows that Directives aren't directly applicable, they have to be converted into national Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)

And he also knows perfectly well that the IV AML directive says nothing about crypto coins or exchanges:
"Banks and payment institutions fall under the scope of the Fourth AMLD, which requires them to comply with specific rules, such as verifying customers’ identity and monitoring financial transactions. Virtual currency operators were initially not included in the scope of the Directive."
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-2381_en.htm

But he doesn't have any shame on again lying blatantly on this thread now by invoking again and again these inapplicable AML Directives, even if he knows that at least half of his readers will know that he is lying, as long as he thinks that the other half might believe him or have same doubts!!

Actually, even the V AML Directive only demands verification when there is conversion of crypto into fiat by a withdrawal of fiat, like current italian law only requires. I'll post about it in detail.

Think twice before trusting your money to someone who acts and lies like him does, on an open forum, against what he already confessed knowing.

[r34tr783tr78]

I just added my support to the flags against the scammer medri/eliale and his accomplice paci. I hope more members will join. They cant be allowed to get away with this and all their users most know about this scam. "I love the smell of napalm a burned scammer in the morning".

[Coinfan]

My thanks also for Lauda, asche, s1lverbox and r34tr783tr78 for their support on my flags against them.

The flags are now active, but it isn't clear if they can be seen for everyone.

Please, fellow bitcoin members add your support too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=207

The Rock CTO Paci is on this too. On his email of 21 August 2018, he wrote that I didn’t had to send any personal documents: “BTW, is there any particular problems in providing some documents, if
I may ask? [ ] Anyway, feel free to not do it, if you wish so.”.

But he added that my money would be kept blocked "much more time" under the pretext that they would have to use "other methods" to confirm that I'm the account owner.

How convenient, other non disclosed methods who would require much more time!

An excellent pretext to get more time to ask again for my documents later, like the Rock CFO did, 48h after.

I could post a scan of an excerpt of the email, but the Rock CFO confirmed this when he posted:

PS: The CTO is not  the Compliance officer.

The Rock CFO blatantly lied again, pretending that the CTO Paci wrote to me renouncing any KYC without his support!!

All of our emails exchange on August 2018 were sent with a copy to each other!

He has no problems whatsoever to demote and contradict his own partner and Rock CTO Paci, lying again on an open forum! Paci would never write that without consulting the Rock CFO!

[Coinfan]

Anyone with any doubt that the Rock CFO is deliberately lying about the AML Directives being applied to my case, just read this:


The IV AML directive (or the others before) isn't applicable to crypto coins or exchanges:
"Banks and payment institutions fall under the scope of the Fourth AMLD, which requires them to comply with specific rules, such as verifying customers’ identity and monitoring financial transactions. Virtual currency operators were initially not included in the scope of the Directive."
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-2381_en.htm

And check what the last AML European Directive, the V, says on its article 4:

"Article 4
Transposition
1. Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive by 10 January 2020.".
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32018L0843&from=EN

Since European Directives are not directly applicable and need to be converted into national Law, this V AML Directive gives to all member states until 10 january 2020 to implement and convert it into applicable law.

Taking in account that they still have plenty of time, almost all member states haven't done it yet, including Italy.

This site confirms Italy hasn't converted the V AML directive yet:
"The UBO Register has not yet been implemented in Italy despite 4MLD having been implemented by Decree no. 90/2017. Second-level legislation is required to provide details on how companies’ obligations to disclose their UBOs should be carried out in practice, however, the deadline for issuing second-level legislation expired in July 2018. The implementation of the UBO Register could be postponed until after the implementation of 5MLD."
http://www.allenovery.com/publications/en-gb/Pages/European-implementation-of-5MLD-and-Ultimate-Beneficial-Ownership-(UBO)-Registers.aspx

This was published on 29 March 2019. Which just confirms that the Fifth AML Directive isn't applicable to italian corporations because Italy hasn't converted it into Italian Law yet.

Anyway, as is stated on its preamble and article 1, 1, c), the Fifth AML Directive only pretends to apply to: “providers engaged in exchange services between virtual currencies and fiat currencies;”.

I only asked for a bitcoin withdrawal.

The Rock Trading has thousands of unverified customers according to their TOS and current italian Law (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg50490829#msg50490829) but they are only doing this to a customer who has 35519 euro there!

[JollyGood]

@Coinfan

You have done a commendable job exposing the Rock Trading scammers. Hopefully within a short time you will have your funds back.

I really hope this trash scam exchange gets shut down by the authorities because of the selective scamming techniques they use to steal from their own users.