Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements

[Olaiasal11]

I was Jr member at Forum, now I became Demoted and Newbie. I have no regrets in this. Because love the forum. The moderator will do the best for the forum. I also want to improve the forum better than ever. 

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[Erik_Smuel]

I know that there were been a lot of spam and many useless posts here in the forum for the last months and for that the rules were been applied.
but for months i was trying hardly to get at least one merit, i subscribed to the twitter audit and helped people here to auditing their account and i was helping people by replying to their posts with my experiences in this field and till now i couldn't bring any merit even one, the merit system is complicated and really i don't know how to get at least one.

[tung06081989]

looks like merits are priced at 14$/QTY, as of current market situation  

https://i.imgur.com/vBEOfwH.png

Just a TG snap from one of bounty group(with removed names ....sorry guys!! I don't want you to be his next customer!!! )

A thought (which may hurt newbies and alike  ), should the qualifying requirement be increased to +5 merits??

whatttttt,14 usd for 1 merit,I thinks this person must ban forever,merit for trading, i allways search 1 merit but i can't 1 merit from anyone,I think I have to try my best to get merit from admin but i see 14 usd for 1 merit,I fell disapointed,why merit for trading? because when it haven't control from admin,I think bitcointalk should build system checking merit,anyone get merit from source merit shoul check again by admin,it is not fair for everyone when they buy merit,bitcointalk shoulf build system ratio between merit/all posts to determine who reputation, 1 merit/1000 post diffrent 1 merit /50 post,this ratio high-artice quality higher

[Uesly_Future]

How about the cancellation of Merit, which were accrued upon its introduction?

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

I read 1,061 for nutildah, and 2 for you.  That's about 530.5 to 1, but who's counting?

Of course, you feel disinclined to support such a system in which you hardly have established any stake or to bash others for their merit status when you hardly have established any of such yourself either, for that matter.

I see 336 merits. the rest is the age of the account and the amount of flooding. I think you did a lot of useful things, but you do not need to be arrogant. you do not know me and also understand that the situation is now unfair

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

I'll admit its harder for Newbs to get merits than higher ranking ones, but 95% of all Newbs just post senseless trash, which ruins its for the actual 5% who might actually have something interesting to say. Sorry but we're sick of the forum's quality being watered down by opportunistic spam artists.

you understand why this happens. it's all at the money. earlier this was a forum for communication. now for earnings. and newcomers are forced to spam because of the terms of the forum and campaigns

[nutildah]

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

I'll admit its harder for Newbs to get merits than higher ranking ones, but 95% of all Newbs just post senseless trash, which ruins its for the actual 5% who might actually have something interesting to say. Sorry but we're sick of the forum's quality being watered down by opportunistic spam artists.

you understand why this happens. it's all at the money. earlier this was a forum for communication. now for earnings. and newcomers are forced to spam because of the terms of the forum and campaigns

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.

[Uesly_Future]

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

I'll admit its harder for Newbs to get merits than higher ranking ones, but 95% of all Newbs just post senseless trash, which ruins its for the actual 5% who might actually have something interesting to say. Sorry but we're sick of the forum's quality being watered down by opportunistic spam artists.

you understand why this happens. it's all at the money. earlier this was a forum for communication. now for earnings. and newcomers are forced to spam because of the terms of the forum and campaigns

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.

you are very naive. you think that such a measure someone will stop. read my appeal. above you will see a link. the rules of the signature compel create spam.

[LoyceV]

We have, however, been affected, being reduced to Newbie . Through this forum and our ANN thread we have been communicating with our community, providing links, placing photos etc - now we're not able to do that anymore.

Read this:

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

[Christinebeauty]

I think this is a good initiative taken by our administrator to reduce spam posts but am not so happy about the way it was implemented. When the merit system was first implemented, no account was demoted, people were rather given the required merit to be able to reach that rank. So am surprised the second phase of the merit system is being unfair to the existing members by demoting us all to newbies. At least one merit for us all won't be bad. Obtaining merit is not always about making good posts. Awarding merit is a subjective decision which can be biased anyway. Please administrator consider us and restore our ranks so that this new development in the forum will start from new members.

[Cracker563]

Well the restriction is fair enough in order to reduce spamming and posting of garbages in the forum . But what will be done when any user can just buy or get merit from merited users.

Isn't that a flaw ? .... should that be the case, many users will prefer to buy merits since it is just 1 only 1 merit required to move up.

I will suggest that maybe per certain number of posts merit can be given by the forum Admins.

E.g 50 posts & activities = 1 merit
100 posts & activities = 2 merits  and so on...

[nutildah]

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.

you are very naive. you think that such a measure someone will stop. read my appeal. above you will see a link. the rules of the signature compel create spam.

Nobody's compelling anybody to spam. They're supposed to write decent posts. Because they refuse to do that and insist on spamming new rules have been implemented. Signature campaigns should obviously now be taken away from Jr Members. Your appeal doesn't mean jack shit bud.

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

By the way, in the couple hours since you were bitching about my merits, I've accrued 12 more  

[Cracker563]

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.

you are very naive. you think that such a measure someone will stop. read my appeal. above you will see a link. the rules of the signature compel create spam.

Nobody's compelling anybody to spam. They're supposed to write decent posts. Because they refuse to do that and insist on spamming new rules have been implemented. Signature campaigns should obviously now be taken away from Jr Members. Your appeal doesn't mean jack shit bud.

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

By the way, in the couple hours since you were bitching about my merits, I've accrued 12 more  

Not all new comers are abusing the rights or spamming the system. The admins need to be considerate and rules should be imposed on new intakes.

You both should stop this your thing as well.... I believe we are all matured and just trying to say our minds...

#peace

[SplashHunter]

It makes more sense to continue the Merit system. You need to present better before replacing the existing system.

[Uesly_Future]

What? You're missing the entire point of the forum. Newcomers only come here because they mistakenly _think_ they can make a living spamming here. But they're wrong. They were always wrong. The recent changes were made to deter them from flooding the forum with useless posts so it can maintain its original intention as a place for communication.

Nobody's _forcing_ _anybody_ to spam. That's a ridiculous mindset to think they have to keep spamming the forum.

you are very naive. you think that such a measure someone will stop. read my appeal. above you will see a link. the rules of the signature compel create spam.

Nobody's compelling anybody to spam. They're supposed to write decent posts. Because they refuse to do that and insist on spamming new rules have been implemented. Signature campaigns should obviously now be taken away from Jr Members. Your appeal doesn't mean jack shit bud.

total 61 merits. not a very good prospect, right?

By the way, in the couple hours since you were bitching about my merits, I've accrued 12 more  

it's probably because you write the right things, but I do not. right?)

We have a saying in Russia according to which a well-fed man finds it difficult to understand a starving one.

[kenzawak]

Most of the people who feel they got fucked here are bounty hunters.  
And what are bounty hunters here for ? Money !!!
And there is a lot to make here whether it's in airdrops, social media campaigns, signature campaigns, translation campaigns...
And Theymos is not asking you to pay for this service, he could but he is not. All he's asking for is 1 merit, just 1... which means 1 good post. That's nothing for what you get out of all this. You should be thankful for the opportunity, instead of complaining, saying how it's unfair and all...
You get to make hundreds of dollars for only one good post !

[Rtalk]

Perhaps the introduction of merit for newcomers and caught us by surprise, but this necessary decision. For a "LIVE" user (not a spammer) it will not be difficult to get it with proper activity and useful posts. For spammers and bots this will be a problem. And if this does not help-may introduce even more stringent requirements for obtaining merita or
associate user activity with the number of merit.....and even as it was written earlier - can ban also bounty. And then the most valuable users will remain.

[virendarnagpal]

Welcome step.  Will ensure good posts.
May I smell   next action for the high ranked members who did not earn even a single merit despite posting hundreds of posts during the period after the merit system was introduced.
The forum will be cleansed to a large extant then.

[felicity06]

Becoming a newbie again is very disappointing it is unfair for all members who was already a jr member. Yes I think it is good idea to prevent spamming activities and meaningless posts. However I think it is favor only to all higher ranked members that was old here in this forum. Demoting all jr members are not the good ways to decrease huge number of spamming rather it increase the total number of spammers.

[khoa232]

I get it that people post a lot of spam posts in some topics and I definitely agree that something has to be done to keep a certain quality of the forum but I don't know... Shouldn't the administrator(s)/mod(s) rather delete entire topic that is considered inappropriate instead of just removing posts and banning users?

Well at the current condition, that obviously won't leave any effect at all. Hundreds or sometimes thousands of posts are already deleted every day but that still don't make any change, even after the merit system is implemented.

I said that it's much better if the global moderator change the requirements of newbie and jr.member.

Only theymos can make such changes

Honestly, the change is a joke. That won't stop the spam anyway, as long as the spammers can buy copper membership, have a signature and can continue.
The change only means that the spammers have to pay a small amount to theymos before. Afterwards they can continue as before.
Without copper membership or if they still have no signature, the change would really do something, but so somehow not.
Only i see that? What's your opinion about this?

At least it's better than nothing. Having to pay a small amount or earn 1 merit might seem easy for you, but it will be a hard task for spammers with, say, 10 accounts or something.

I also agree with this idea, I know that all management's work is better for this forum but be aware that there are many spammers in the system and that contributing is a good part of The natural law for this forum to be better so changing the law is also a good thing for everyone thanks to this forum for giving me more knowledge about bitcoin money as well as other currencies this is not for Please do not give it as spam thank you

[Nurfi]

There are a number of things a beginner must think about in relation to the new rules:

1. The main goal to move up to Junior is 1 Merit
2. The focus of posting is quality not the number of 30 posts again (standard for rising to Junior rank)
3. Warning to maintain the quality of posts, useful posts and comments according to discussion
4. Being a Junior is not only about the ability to comment but also the capabilities and knowledge related to crypto and the forum as a whole
5. Etc.

Please note if there is a Thank you

[Dukjila]

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

Note that this does not affect:
 - PM rate-limiting, which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 - "You must wait ___ seconds...", which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 
But it does affect:
 - Voting in polls
 - Patroller jurisdiction
 - The "ignore newbie PMs" option.
 - "The body is omitted from this email because the sender is a newbie."
 - BBCode limits
 - Reduced-accuracy link filtering
 - Board restrictions

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

One reason that I was hesitant to do this before is that there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies. I'll think about tying some of those to activity instead of rank in the future.
 
With help from DdmrDdmr, I just added 36 new merit sources, which should help newbies achieve the requirement. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.

I think it would have been easier to simply ban Jr Member's signature, and not compare those who have been on the site for half a year, with newcomers!  

Moreover, after September 10, for some reason, a lot of accounts get 1 to 2 merits, which was not the case before.