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CONSIDERATIONS


  • 13 Accounts are on DT 1 list
  • 235 Accounts are or were on the DT2 list
  • 53 Accounts has been removed/Excluded from the DT2 list
  • Some people are removed even with positive Trust for whatever reason
  • 182 Accounts are the DT2 list
  • Even if I spent a lot of time doing this report, forgive me if there are any inaccuracies this is a manual copy-paste job
  • All accounts come from the public list here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust so I hope this is updated
  • The last activity for accounts have been checked between 11.00-15.00 GTM +1 on 05/12/2018
  • The activity for people removed from the DT2 list is not checked since it is not shown on the default trust list
  • Some people on the DT2 list have a Huh Trust score
  • One person on the DT2 list has a red trust score
  • With some exceptions like alt accounts the last account added on DT2 list is the number 881377 @Hhampuz
  • No Accounts with 1xxxxxx are on the DT list
  • Some DT2 members have no feedbacks
  • Some DT2 members have sent no feedbacks
  • Some DT2 members are currently inactive for years
  • Some DT2 members are active but don't send feedbacks at all
  • Some DT2 members are active and send a lot of feedbacks
  • I'm considering to add the trust value on the table


DT1 LIST


_______________________________________________________________________________________________
PROFILEID NUMBERį BPIPLAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
theymos35BPIPDecember04,2018,11:59:22PM22/03/18
HostFat203BPIPDecember05,2018,03:34:21AM07/06/18
dooglus3420BPIPDecember04,2018,04:45:58PM10/03/18
Maged6347BPIPMarch24,2016,01:43:46AM15/07/14
dserrano517768BPIPOctober17,2018,04:46:01AM14/02/17
OgNasty18321BPIPDecember05,2018,09:21:24AM01/12/18
Tomatocage37522BPIPMay03,2018,11:46:06PM14/02/18
SaltySpitoon38894BPIPDecember05,2018,04:35:18AM27/11/18
philipma195764507BPIPDecember05,2018,04:00:24AM16/10/18
Cyrus78147BPIPDecember05,2018,02:09:57AM22/05/17
Blazed134378BPIPDecember04,2018,05:03:14AM05/11/18
hilariousandco164822BPIPDecember04,2018,09:59:17PM21/11/18
OldScammerTag330472BPIPNeverNever


DT2 LIST NUMERICAL ORDER


_______________________________________________________________________________________________
PROFILEID NUMBERį BPIPLAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
sirius4BPIPJanuary06,2018,01:12:21PM26/05/13
allinvain198BPIPDecember05,2018,12:00:50PM11/04/18
Gavin Andresen224BPIPOctober11,2018,05:08:38PMNever
nanotube1268BPIPJuly18,2018,01:31:49PMNever
mikegogulski2285BPIPJuly19,2018,02:06:48PM25/05/13
casascius2676BPIPNovember04,2018,08:37:10PM23/01/16
Light2818BPIPNovember25,2018,05:24:33AM16/11/15
molecular3771BPIPNovember30,2018,09:05:39PM04/04/15
Raize4171BPIPNovember05,2018,01:19:17AM02/10/15
grue5797BPIPAugust01,2018,03:00:20AM21/01/18
EpiSKiNG7351BPIPApril23,2018,05:19:31PM05/12/17
gmaxwell11425BPIPDecember05,2018,03:47:11AM27/11/18
Kluge11671BPIPMay25,2018,01:18:11PM16/10/14
piotr_n12089BPIPDecember04,2018,05:58:19PM03/10/18
MiningBuddy14001BPIPApril04,2018,01:24:05PM09/04/15
teukon14685BPIPJuly09,2016,11:25:03PM20/12/14
rb120514716BPIPFebruary11,2018,08:35:47PM13/07/13
majamalu14792BPIPAugust25,2017,05:13:53AM05/12/13
BurtW14808BPIPNovember09,2018,12:51:19AM25/08/14
Mousepotato15510BPIPJuly26,2016,09:02:53PM05/05/15
jwzguy15540BPIPDecember05,2017,06:16:17PM27/09/13
paci15648BPIPNovember05,2018,10:36:08AM29/12/16
Carnth15682BPIPAugust21,2015,04:20:58AM24/05/13
Caesium15913BPIPMarch30,2017,09:48:43AM02/08/14
tysat17261BPIPJuly16,2018,12:54:28PM27/08/17
piuk17928BPIPJune19,2015,07:52:05PMNever
haploid2318062BPIPMarch28,2015,04:14:50PM18/03/15
phantastisch18312BPIPNovember04,2018,05:00:25PM13/03/18
SebastianJu18640BPIPDecember05,2018,12:05:56PM22/11/18
Stemby18953BPIPNovember25,2018,01:56:25AM19/05/17
zvs19897BPIPNovember23,2018,03:30:13AM06/12/17
-ck19971BPIPDecember05,2018,04:22:19AM05/06/18
jackjack21053BPIPMay13,2018,10:02:22AM23/02/17
malevolent23092BPIPDecember04,2018,05:26:20AM04/10/18
yxt23810BPIPDecember05,2018,07:41:42AM20/11/18
qwk24140BPIPDecember05,2018,09:53:42AM21/11/18
the joint24314BPIPNovember21,2018,06:58:56PM18/06/15
aigeezer24674BPIPDecember05,2018,03:05:24AMNever
Matthew N. Wright24749BPIPJanuary23,2014,04:40:03AM13/08/13
CrazyGuy25223BPIPNovember30,2018,07:20:09PM10/09/16
smoothie25960BPIPDecember05,2018,11:02:15AM28/05/17
sveetsnelda26772BPIPJanuary22,2018,06:56:46AM27/01/15
naypalm27273BPIPNovember06,2018,11:24:51PM12/02/18
ziomik27427BPIPDecember03,2018,01:30:18PM26/06/16
Korbman29254BPIPDecember02,2018,11:40:08PM25/02/15
paraipan29395BPIPJune02,2014,01:33:58AM19/10/13
Vod30747BPIPDecember05,2018,11:15:37AM02/12/18
John (JohnK.)31288BPIPDecember05,2018,05:38:46AM20/05/18
ercolinux31410BPIPOctober25,2018,07:51:33PM23/12/16
Michail131539BPIPNovember28,2018,04:57:35PM30/12/17
danieldaniel33781BPIPMay28,2018,12:01:01AM23/11/13
Mushroomized34882BPIPMarch31,2018,08:23:16PM21/04/17
wallet.dat35123BPIPJuly07,2015,08:50:26PM09/06/15
maxmint36677BPIPNovember14,2018,06:52:05PM16/07/16
dree1237096BPIPDecember07,2017,05:27:02AM17/08/14
ineededausername40007BPIPDecember12,2016,11:36:17PM26/05/13
DeaDTerra40976BPIPOctober22,2018,03:26:31PM08/09/13
DeathAndTaxes41048BPIPApril22,2015,11:53:28AM09/01/15
BadBear41911BPIPApril02,2018,12:39:12PM15/04/16
Shawshank42880BPIPDecember04,2018,09:38:27PMNever
mdude7748765BPIPOctober07,2018,01:49:47AM05/12/17
Bees Brothers50107BPIPNovember26,2018,06:33:37PM18/11/15
mprep51173BPIPDecember05,2018,01:56:30PM01/12/18
Blazr51908BPIPJuly06,2018,08:54:56AM17/02/18
xkrikl53416BPIPOctober15,2014,12:09:43PM24/05/13
vgo53862BPIPNovember09,2018,08:22:03PM18/08/17
Cablez54059BPIPJanuary28,2018,02:15:37AM19/02/15
BCB54113BPIPSeptember09,2018,06:55:36PM18/12/17
Dabs54791BPIPDecember01,2018,04:04:21AM15/02/18
DiamondCardz55122BPIPMay13,2018,04:28:09PM27/05/16
diego100057872BPIPFebruary26,2018,07:18:15PM18/03/14
btharper58297BPIPNovember25,2018,10:21:53PM30/11/13
davecoin58365BPIPDecember05,2018,06:07:19AM08/05/17
burnside59012BPIPDecember04,2018,07:01:19AM05/12/13
DannyHamilton60820BPIPSeptember24,2018,01:39:55PM07/03/18
LoweryCBS61196BPIPDecember04,2018,01:27:30PM20/03/14
bigtimespaghetti65317BPIPNovember26,2018,11:44:16PM14/04/18
stenkross66253BPIPNovember18,2017,07:50:01AM22/10/16
Benson Samuel66510BPIPJune20,2018,06:52:38AM29/03/15
LuisCar70416BPIPDecember02,2018,09:40:01AMNever
KWH70535BPIPDecember05,2018,12:25:32PM19/08/18
kelpy71769BPIPDecember05,2018,10:51:54AM27/02/17
GIANNAT73619BPIPMarch30,2018,11:13:20AM29/09/17
bertani76206BPIPOctober25,2016,07:43:56AM13/08/15
Cripto76216BPIPMay19,2018,03:32:52PM02/11/15
fernarios76332BPIPNovember09,2018,08:47:26PM22/11/13
shiftybugger76857BPIPFebruary10,2014,08:38:38PM12/06/13
ThickAsThieves79242BPIPSeptember25,2016,04:29:56PM02/03/14
Stunna81292BPIPDecember03,2018,02:16:44AM29/11/18
monkeynuts81962BPIPDecember04,2018,11:44:59PM22/05/18
fluidjax83655BPIPDecember04,2018,06:44:17PMNever
ioxoi84221BPIPApril03,2018,05:38:18PMNever
Welsh84521BPIPDecember05,2018,06:31:03AM09/07/18
ibminer84866BPIPDecember05,2018,02:25:32AM11/11/18
Wardrick85316BPIPJanuary02,2018,03:55:11AM23/10/17
byt41187671BPIPDecember03,2018,11:59:11PM18/05/15
dogie87869BPIPDecember05,2018,03:58:03AM27/04/18
BigBitz95042BPIPJuly31,2018,02:17:27PM21/01/15
buysolar95512BPIPNovember30,2018,07:46:31PM10/04/15
binaryFate95738BPIPNovember05,2018,05:10:06PM07/09/17
guitarplinker95740BPIPDecember05,2018,01:56:03AM18/04/18
markj11395989BPIPDecember04,2018,09:49:40PM12/10/18
xetsr101763BPIPAugust22,2016,06:39:17AM03/08/16
Xialla103451BPIPDecember12,2017,01:19:01AM11/12/15
TomUnderSea103602BPIPJuly12,2017,09:04:41AM23/06/13
dwdoc105603BPIPJanuary26,2018,01:46:50PM29/12/13
NLNico107762BPIPDecember05,2018,12:08:51PM05/11/18
TookDk109430BPIPSeptember22,2018,07:33:29AM17/07/18
Mitchell113670BPIPDecember04,2018,02:58:01PM19/09/18
idee2013113819BPIPNovember15,2018,08:30:29AM05/07/13
Tywill120105BPIPJune14,2013,10:14:36PM24/05/13
gdassori120714BPIPApril16,2018,12:59:32PM02/06/15
ghibly79120821BPIPDecember03,2018,08:51:35PM30/08/17
sayulita120945BPIPFebruary08,2018,04:42:16PM18/07/13
DefaultTrust122551BPIPNeverNever
wttbs123869BPIPDecember05,2018,01:02:19PM19/11/18
Taras125747BPIPNovember29,2018,07:02:32AM15/05/18
MarkAz128716BPIPDecember05,2018,06:30:34AM11/07/18
favdesu130350BPIPDecember04,2018,06:47:28PM03/11/17
monbux133846BPIPAugust27,2018,06:08:22PM15/07/18
devthedev136592BPIPNovember29,2018,06:55:06PM04/01/17
FiniteByDesign136896BPIPNovember24,2018,11:40:26AM12/10/18
BayAreaCoins137773BPIPDecember05,2018,03:08:01AM31/10/18
EFS140584BPIPDecember05,2018,01:33:59PM09/02/18
brutale2151278BPIPOctober31,2018,04:20:07PM16/06/17
LazerViking154182BPIPMarch10,2018,01:31:53AM11/03/16
gentlemand155345BPIPDecember05,2018,12:41:25PM13/04/15
hedgy73162384BPIPDecember05,2018,01:12:19PM30/07/18
Anon39165089BPIPDecember04,2018,05:03:56AM08/08/18
EcuaMobi169515BPIPDecember05,2018,02:04:07AM03/12/18
MadZ174480BPIPDecember05,2018,09:56:37AM30/12/99
shorena181801BPIPNovember03,2018,05:03:13PM03/03/18
Powell202934BPIPNovember28,2018,05:03:34AM02/02/15
ManeBjorn208286BPIPDecember05,2018,06:09:45AM22/05/18
mitzie210680BPIPDecember05,2018,09:23:44AM16/11/14
bithalo224612BPIPDecember01,2018,05:07:55AM20/06/17
cryptodevil224980BPIPDecember04,2018,12:23:45PM30/11/18
davvo231686BPIPApril20,2018,02:52:59PM30/12/15
suchmoon234771BPIPDecember05,2018,12:11:05PM05/12/18
mindtrip235982BPIPNovember24,2018,04:35:34PM16/05/18
alch1mista262971BPIPNovember29,2018,09:29:18AM03/11/18
Rmcdermott927289011BPIPDecember04,2018,06:22:21PM07/11/18
ThePhwner323638BPIPMay25,2016,10:17:18PM15/01/16
argovian327072BPIPAugust22,2018,04:39:57PM08/10/14
iluvbitcoins337097BPIPDecember04,2018,06:13:45PM21/11/18
Mexxer-2341982BPIPDecember05,2018,10:18:26AM19/11/18
minerjones346731BPIPDecember05,2018,02:07:08PM04/12/18
sapta347141BPIPDecember05,2018,02:06:10PM04/12/18
Finksy347946BPIPFebruary14,2018,04:02:30AM21/02/17
HagssFIN348185BPIPDecember05,2018,08:20:53AM19/10/18
Gleb Gamow349097BPIPJune16,2018,04:07:42AMNever
generalt354479BPIPDecember05,2018,03:13:16AM16/04/17
yahoo62278355846BPIPDecember05,2018,02:01:04PM23/11/18
MCHouston371885BPIPDecember01,2018,01:49:47AM01/06/18
xandry382413BPIPDecember05,2018,11:08:19AM11/11/18
kilo17387443BPIPAugust26,2018,09:03:46PM15/10/16
Rhavar389331BPIPDecember05,2018,01:24:17AM30/11/18
hilariousetc397737BPIPDecember03,2018,04:24:25PM08/10/18
LoyceV459836BPIPDecember05,2018,01:07:20PM04/12/18
actmyname465017BPIPDecember04,2018,10:18:13PM26/11/18
The Pharmacist487418BPIPDecember05,2018,01:13:04AM04/12/18
DarkStar_507936BPIPDecember05,2018,05:40:50PM04/12/18
Tomatocage1517424BPIPMay31,2015,06:18:04PMNever
Lutpin520313BPIPDecember04,2018,10:50:30PM02/08/18
marlboroza787736BPIPDecember05,2018,12:03:46PM04/12/18
Hhampuz881377BPIPDecember05,2018,10:52:55AM02/12/18
loshia19741294878BPIPSeptember18,2018,03:26:46AMNever







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THE REMOVED & ESCLUDED DT2 LIST



_______________________________________________________
PROFILEID NUMBERį BPIP
StephenGornick2228BPIP
Ryland R.Taylor-Almanza4758BPIP
TECSHARE15728BPIP
CanaryInTheMine18614BPIP
Phinnaeus Gage24792BPIP
Todamont29696BPIP
Anduck31931BPIP
ElCabron44233BPIP
Justin0055432BPIP
squall106655503BPIP
Xian0158223BPIP
TheButterZone60600BPIP
lophie62227BPIP
TradeFortress 🏕67058BPIP
johnniewalker72227BPIP
escrow.ms76380BPIP
uhnonamiss77188BPIP
nubbins78483BPIP
Master-P89329BPIP
rammy2k294485BPIP
TMAN98986BPIP
Lauda101872BPIP
blackarrow105804BPIP
pr0d1gy106439BPIP
isoneguy109362BPIP
Timelord2067131361BPIP
aTriz135920BPIP
nachius138601BPIP
minifrij138940BPIP
klaaas147451BPIP
marcotheminer147773BPIP
justbtcme148389BPIP
kashish948152514BPIP
bitmarket.io162203BPIP
artw1982186695BPIP
anonymous22248833BPIP
crunck307195BPIP
Jaaawsh308108BPIP
owlcatz313016BPIP
shdvb318030BPIP
dazedfool327499BPIP
LYCAN344701BPIP
Quickseller358020BPIP
Spodermen366423BPIP
Zepher369879BPIP
IronMarvel2411686BPIP
gate11447885BPIP
Last of the V8s479624BPIP
HabBear662570BPIP
digaran806776BPIP
Game-protect874254BPIP
nullius976210BPIP
Hector91937008BPIP

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DT2 LAST FEEDBACK SENT ORDER


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PROFILEID NUMBERį BPIPLAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
Carnth15682BPIPAugust21,2015,04:20:58AM24/05/13
xkrikl53416BPIPOctober15,2014,12:09:43PM24/05/13
Tywill120105BPIPJune14,2013,10:14:36PM24/05/13
mikegogulski2285BPIPJuly19,2018,02:06:48PM25/05/13
sirius4BPIPJanuary06,2018,01:12:21PM26/05/13
ineededausername40007BPIPDecember12,2016,11:36:17PM26/05/13
shiftybugger76857BPIPFebruary10,2014,08:38:38PM12/06/13
TomUnderSea103602BPIPJuly12,2017,09:04:41AM23/06/13
idee2013113819BPIPNovember15,2018,08:30:29AM05/07/13
rb120514716BPIPFebruary11,2018,08:35:47PM13/07/13
sayulita120945BPIPFebruary08,2018,04:42:16PM18/07/13
Matthew N. Wright24749BPIPJanuary23,2014,04:40:03AM13/08/13
DeaDTerra40976BPIPOctober22,2018,03:26:31PM08/09/13
jwzguy15540BPIPDecember05,2017,06:16:17PM27/09/13
paraipan29395BPIPJune02,2014,01:33:58AM19/10/13
fernarios76332BPIPNovember09,2018,08:47:26PM22/11/13
danieldaniel33781BPIPMay28,2018,12:01:01AM23/11/13
btharper58297BPIPNovember25,2018,10:21:53PM30/11/13
majamalu14792BPIPAugust25,2017,05:13:53AM05/12/13
burnside59012BPIPDecember04,2018,07:01:19AM05/12/13
dwdoc105603BPIPJanuary26,2018,01:46:50PM29/12/13
ThickAsThieves79242BPIPSeptember25,2016,04:29:56PM02/03/14
diego100057872BPIPFebruary26,2018,07:18:15PM18/03/14
LoweryCBS61196BPIPDecember04,2018,01:27:30PM20/03/14
Caesium15913BPIPMarch30,2017,09:48:43AM02/08/14
dree1237096BPIPDecember07,2017,05:27:02AM17/08/14
BurtW14808BPIPNovember09,2018,12:51:19AM25/08/14
argovian327072BPIPAugust22,2018,04:39:57PM08/10/14
Kluge11671BPIPMay25,2018,01:18:11PM16/10/14
mitzie210680BPIPDecember05,2018,09:23:44AM16/11/14
teukon14685BPIPJuly09,2016,11:25:03PM20/12/14
DeathAndTaxes41048BPIPApril22,2015,11:53:28AM09/01/15
BigBitz95042BPIPJuly31,2018,02:17:27PM21/01/15
sveetsnelda26772BPIPJanuary22,2018,06:56:46AM27/01/15
Powell202934BPIPNovember28,2018,05:03:34AM02/02/15
Cablez54059BPIPJanuary28,2018,02:15:37AM19/02/15
Korbman29254BPIPDecember02,2018,11:40:08PM25/02/15
haploid2318062BPIPMarch28,2015,04:14:50PM18/03/15
BensonSamuel66510BPIPJune20,2018,06:52:38AM29/03/15
molecular3771BPIPNovember30,2018,09:05:39PM04/04/15
MiningBuddy14001BPIPApril04,2018,01:24:05PM09/04/15
buysolar95512BPIPNovember30,2018,07:46:31PM10/04/15
gentlemand155345BPIPDecember05,2018,12:41:25PM13/04/15
Mousepotato15510BPIPJuly26,2016,09:02:53PM05/05/15
byt41187671BPIPDecember03,2018,11:59:11PM18/05/15
gdassori120714BPIPApril16,2018,12:59:32PM02/06/15
wallet.dat35123BPIPJuly07,2015,08:50:26PM09/06/15
the joint24314BPIPNovember21,2018,06:58:56PM18/06/15
bertani76206BPIPOctober25,2016,07:43:56AM13/08/15
Raize4171BPIPNovember05,2018,01:19:17AM02/10/15
Cripto76216BPIPMay19,2018,03:32:52PM02/11/15
Light2818BPIPNovember25,2018,05:24:33AM16/11/15
Bees Brothers50107BPIPNovember26,2018,06:33:37PM18/11/15
Xialla103451BPIPDecember12,2017,01:19:01AM11/12/15
davvo231686BPIPApril20,2018,02:52:59PM30/12/15
ThePhwner323638BPIPMay25,2016,10:17:18PM15/01/16
casascius2676BPIPNovember04,2018,08:37:10PM23/01/16
LazerViking154182BPIPMarch10,2018,01:31:53AM11/03/16
BadBear41911BPIPApril02,2018,12:39:12PM15/04/16
DiamondCardz55122BPIPMay13,2018,04:28:09PM27/05/16
ziomik27427BPIPDecember03,2018,01:30:18PM26/06/16
maxmint36677BPIPNovember14,2018,06:52:05PM16/07/16
xetsr101763BPIPAugust22,2016,06:39:17AM03/08/16
CrazyGuy25223BPIPNovember30,2018,07:20:09PM10/09/16
kilo17387443BPIPAugust26,2018,09:03:46PM15/10/16
stenkross66253BPIPNovember18,2017,07:50:01AM22/10/16
ercolinux31410BPIPOctober25,2018,07:51:33PM23/12/16
paci15648BPIPNovember05,2018,10:36:08AM29/12/16
devthedev136592BPIPNovember29,2018,06:55:06PM04/01/17
Finksy347946BPIPFebruary14,2018,04:02:30AM21/02/17
jackjack21053BPIPMay13,2018,10:02:22AM23/02/17
kelpy71769BPIPDecember05,2018,10:51:54AM27/02/17
generalt354479BPIPDecember05,2018,03:13:16AM16/04/17
Mushroomized34882BPIPMarch31,2018,08:23:16PM21/04/17
davecoin58365BPIPDecember05,2018,06:07:19AM08/05/17
Stemby18953BPIPNovember25,2018,01:56:25AM19/05/17
smoothie25960BPIPDecember05,2018,11:02:15AM28/05/17
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PROFILELAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
Tywill14/06/2013 22:1424/05/2013
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PROFILELAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
MatthewN.Wright23/01/2014 04:4013/08/2013
shiftybugger10/02/2014 20:3812/06/2013
paraipan02/06/2014 01:3319/10/2013
xkrikl15/10/2014 12:0924/05/2013
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PROFILELAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
haploid2328/03/2015 16:1418/03/2015
DeathAndTaxes22/04/2015 11:5309/01/2015
Tomatocage131/05/2015 18:18Never
piuk19/06/2015 19:52Never
wallet.dat07/07/2015 20:5009/06/2015
Carnth21/08/2015 04:2024/05/2013

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PROFILELAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
ThePhwner25/05/2016 22:1715/01/2016
teukon09/07/2016 23:2520/12/2014
Mousepotato26/07/2016 21:0205/05/2015
xetsr22/08/2016 06:3903/08/2016
ThickAsThieves25/09/2016 16:2902/03/2014
bertani25/10/2016 07:4313/08/2015
ineededausername12/12/2016 23:3626/05/2013

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PROFILELAST ACTIVITYLAST FEEDBACK
Caesium30/03/2017 09:4802/08/2014
TomUnderSea12/07/2017 09:0423/06/2013
majamalu25/08/2017 05:1305/12/2013
stenkross18/11/2017 07:5022/10/2016
jwzguy05/12/2017 18:1627/09/2013
dree1207/12/2017 05:2717/08/2014
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sirius06/01/2018 13:1226/05/2013
sveetsnelda22/01/2018 06:5627/01/2015
dwdoc26/01/2018 13:4629/12/2013
Cablez28/01/2018 02:1519/02/2015
sayulita08/02/2018 16:4218/07/2013
rb120511/02/2018 20:3513/07/2013
Finksy14/02/2018 04:0221/02/2017
diego100026/02/2018 19:1818/03/2014
LazerViking10/03/2018 01:3111/03/2016
GIANNAT30/03/2018 11:1329/09/2017
Mushroomized31/03/2018 20:2321/04/2017
BadBear02/04/2018 12:3915/04/2016
ioxoi03/04/2018 17:38Never
MiningBuddy04/04/2018 13:2409/04/2015
gdassori16/04/2018 12:5902/06/2015
davvo20/04/2018 14:5230/12/2015
EpiSKiNG23/04/2018 17:1905/12/2017
jackjack13/05/2018 10:0223/02/2017
DiamondCardz13/05/2018 16:2827/05/2016
Cripto19/05/2018 15:3202/11/2015
Kluge25/05/2018 13:1816/10/2014
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GlebGamow16/06/2018 04:07Never
BensonSamuel20/06/2018 06:5229/03/2015
Blazr06/07/2018 08:5417/02/2018
tysat16/07/2018 12:5427/08/2017
nanotube18/07/2018 13:31Never
mikegogulski19/07/2018 14:0625/05/2013
BigBitz31/07/2018 14:1721/01/2015
grue01/08/2018 03:0021/01/2018
argovian22/08/2018 16:3908/10/2014
kilo1726/08/2018 21:0315/10/2016
monbux27/08/2018 18:0815/07/2018
BCB09/09/2018 18:5518/12/2017
loshia197418/09/2018 03:26Never
TookDk22/09/2018 07:3317/07/2018
DannyHamilton24/09/2018 13:3907/03/2018
mdude7707/10/2018 01:4905/12/2017
GavinAndresen11/10/2018 17:08Never
DeaDTerra22/10/2018 15:2608/09/2013
ercolinux25/10/2018 19:5123/12/2016
brutale231/10/2018 16:2016/06/2017
shorena03/11/2018 17:0303/03/2018
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BurtW09/11/2018 00:5125/08/2014
vgo09/11/2018 20:2218/08/2017
fernarios09/11/2018 20:4722/11/2013
maxmint14/11/2018 18:5216/07/2016
idee201315/11/2018 08:3005/07/2013
thejoint21/11/2018 18:5818/06/2015
zvs23/11/2018 03:3006/12/2017
FiniteByDesign24/11/2018 11:4012/10/2018
mindtrip24/11/2018 16:3516/05/2018
Stemby25/11/2018 01:5619/05/2017
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btharper25/11/2018 22:2130/11/2013
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Powell28/11/2018 05:0302/02/2015
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Taras29/11/2018 07:0215/05/2018
alch1mista29/11/2018 09:2903/11/2018
devthedev29/11/2018 18:5504/01/2017
CrazyGuy30/11/2018 19:2010/09/2016
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bithalo01/12/2018 05:0720/06/2017
LuisCar02/12/2018 09:40Never
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fluidjax04/12/2018 18:44Never
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Shawshank04/12/2018 21:38Never
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EcuaMobi05/12/2018 02:0403/12/2018
ibminer05/12/2018 02:2511/11/2018
aigeezer05/12/2018 03:05Never
BayAreaCoins05/12/2018 03:0831/10/2018
generalt05/12/2018 03:1316/04/2017
gmaxwell05/12/2018 03:4727/11/2018
dogie05/12/2018 03:5827/04/2018
-ck05/12/2018 04:2205/06/2018
John(JohnK.)05/12/2018 05:3820/05/2018
davecoin05/12/2018 06:0708/05/2017
ManeBjorn05/12/2018 06:0922/05/2018
MarkAz05/12/2018 06:3011/07/2018
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yxt05/12/2018 07:4120/11/2018
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mitzie05/12/2018 09:2316/11/2014
qwk05/12/2018 09:5321/11/2018
MadZ05/12/2018 09:5600/01/1900
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KWH05/12/2018 12:2519/08/2018
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mprep05/12/2018 13:5601/12/2018
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sapta05/12/2018 14:0604/12/2018
minerjones05/12/2018 14:0704/12/2018
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For some random reason, theymos doesn't seem fond of removing inactive users (which are liabilities). It took forever to kick out DeadTerra for example.

I wonder whether this will cause flame-wars again or have people grown tired of them.

It is a bit weird that a lot of people on dt are getting positive and negative trust.
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December 05, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
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I’m surprised Sirius isn’t dt1, afaik he’s still holding the domain for this site.

A lot of the people removed from dt2 were re over for food reason. I think Taf was taken off for security reasons. Atriz scammed people in icos.

It is a bit weird that a lot of people on dt are getting positive and negative trust. theymos even got a negative recently too...

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People have called me a nincompoop, unintelligent, ignorant, and lots of other things and to an extent I can see how I can come off that way when discussing certain things--and man do I feel completely stupid for not knowing a lot of these things posted above, like that TMAN & owlcatz were removed from DT2 or that nullius and aTriz were even on it. 

I also didn't fully realize how small the DT1 list is.  I know I've seen it before, but for some reason I had the impression that it had a lot more members on it than it apparently does.

If a DT1 member trusts someone for whatever reason, I think the DT1 member is fully justified in adding the member to his trust list, thereby making that member a DT2 member.  It shouldn't matter in the least if the newly-anointed DT2 member is active or leaves a lot of feedback or anything else.  The point is that the DT2 member can be trusted.  He's not required to be a scam buster or to use his DT status for anything if he doesn't want to.  Hell, I don't recognize half the DT2 members on that list, but I wouldn't argue that they should be removed just because they're inactive. 

What I worry about is inactive accounts getting hacked or sold.  If you could get your hands on a DT2 account, you could probably work a decent scam and make a good chunk of change before you got caught.  Wasn't there some allegation that the Master-P account was sold or something?  I know it wasn't that long ago that he pulled his exit scam, but I forget the details.

I like this thread.  Thanks for posting all of this data, coinlocket$.

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What I worry about is inactive accounts getting hacked or sold. 
For some random reason, theymos doesn't seem fond of removing inactive users (which are liabilities). It took forever to kick out DeadTerra for example.
^this. I had to bring this case up several times.

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What I worry about is inactive accounts getting hacked or sold. 
For some random reason, theymos doesn't seem fond of removing inactive users (which are liabilities). It took forever to kick out DeadTerra for example.
^this. I had to bring this case up several times.

Maybe there should be some sort of secban in place for people who donít log in for 30 days. Then get an automated system that validates a signed message for a stamped address from a given post id.

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  • 235 Accounts are or were on the DT2 list
  • 53 Accounts has been removed from the DT2 list
The Pharmacist touched on this, but if someone is excluded, it doesn't necessarily mean they were once included. I believe there are some DT1 members that have excluded accounts whom have never been included, I assume to avoid them getting easily included in the future.

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The Pharmacist touched on this, but if someone is excluded, it doesn't necessarily mean they were once included. I believe there are some DT1 members that have excluded accounts whom have never been included, I assume to avoid them getting easily included in the future.

Got it, fixing the posts nį1&2.

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The most recent thoughts of our Esteemed Leader that I could find about DT were in reply to a proposal to include Level 3 by default setting (as I vaguely recall it being in the Old Days).
 
I've thought about that, but I tend to think that it'd be better to make it broader rather than deeper.

Well, the only logical way to do that would be to promote selected level D2's to D1, they in turn would bring their currently included DT3's into Level 2. It seems reasonable to think that, if you believe the overall system has value and integrity, that is the only way that any sort of quality control could be maintained.
How to select which current DT2 members for upgrade from the current 200 odd is another matter. Two choices that I can see: either those  currently included by the most DT1's, or by centralized dictat.

For some random reason, theymos doesn't seem fond of removing inactive users (which are liabilities).

Yes. Apart from the hijack/hack danger, trust is dynamic not static.

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I recently analyzed the Marketplace Trust network and created this thread:
[TOP-200] The most trusted members (DT1, DT2, DT3)

I am sure that the Default Trust system is still working. I am also astonished by how many inactive members are in the DT2 list.

  • With some exceptions like alt accounts the last account added on DT2 list is the number 881377 @Hhampuz

As far as I know, the last account added to the DT2 list is iluvbitcoins.

Anyways, good work, @OP.

By the way, I need to update my thread, although there are no significant changes.

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As far as I know, the last account added to the DT2 list is iluvbitcoins.

Anyways, good work, @OP.
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I meant the last account created and added on the DT list (id not in base of the temporal line), so far no accounts above the account n=881377 as been added on the DT list, we have only u=1294878 loshia1974, but reading feedbacks Here is only an alt account

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not required to be a scam buster

I think DT is more for placing valid scammer tags and the only sure avenu to becoming DT is to become a scambuster and leave a lot of valid negative feedback.
DT positive is very conservative because you are basically staking your reputation to vouch for someone, or risking the reputation of your judgment for not much gain. Moreso adding someone to DT2 because then you are staking your judgment on them not only not to scam, but on their judgment of others not to scam. It's just much easier and safer not to, and their isn't much upside.

Negatives are much more common and easier because you just prove a fact and that's it, and can't really be undone or later disproved while deserving a positive vouch can easily be undone in the future by a fact of bad action.
It is widely accepted that one shouldn't leave a positive just for any successful trade because blah blah risk not proof etc.
Negatives are 99.9% provable fact and positives are a judgement call, the way feedback is used.

I think it also has a lot to do with benefit to the community.
Scambusters and negative tags are very beneficial to the community to warn others and stop bad actors while positives are only good for what?, saving some traders some escrow fees and slight complexity in trading?
Positives don't really help a person much while negatives have a massive impact.

It is a lot less risky and more beneficial to add someone to DT2 that places a lot of valid scammer tags than it is to add someone who places a lot of positive feedback.

This site has turned more into a place for service gigs like advertising in one form or another, work you don't really need to be trusted to do, and less p2p trading where trust between parties is key and positive feedback is beneficial.

From what I see, not that I completely agree, not directed at TP, just my 2C.

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@eddie, I donít like that sort of system as we have now.

I donít think scam busters should be on dt merely for being scam busters and itís why quite a few have gone on to scam and also why mdayonliner got negative trust too.
A system in which verifiable trades get chives positive trust in return, is as I see it, a much better system. Call me old fashioned, I like people to only give trust when theyíve had something at stake and itís paid off.

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@eddie, I donít like that sort of system as we have now.

I donít think scam busters should be on dt merely for being scam busters and itís why quite a few have gone on to scam and also why mdayonliner got negative trust too.
A system in which verifiable trades get chives positive trust in return, is as I see it, a much better system. Call me old fashioned, I like people to only give trust when theyíve had something at stake and itís paid off.

It could be worse. The system we have isn't perfect but what system is?

I am suspicious of users "Gunning for DT", I think we all should be, we need to keep an eye on them, and even they should understand that and be open to it.
The merit system has made it a bit worse, or should I say increased that activity, because the same avenue is also an outstanding path to a lot of merits. 
But you can't just hate them. I can't blame a guy for being ambitious and some of them have turned out pretty good. But this is crypto, and the internet, and we should be suspicious of everything and keep in mind their ultimate motives.

I don't think a person should be added to DT only for having left a lot of valid feedback, but should also display very good judgment in complex cases, and also be trustworthy enough not to be setting up for a long con. But leaving valid feedback is a good reason to add them.
It's not like DT=Trusted escrow though. I'm not sure I would trust half of them just to not screw up and lose my coins, and be willing and able to reimburse me if they did.

I understand the ideas behind wanting to leave positive feedback for all successful trades, or only trades where you took a risk, or only to those you would vouch for, or be against positive feedback left in the absence of any trade, or for it, or for or against leaving a negative with no trade. They all have pros and cons.
I'm generally for anybody doing whatever they think is the right thing to do even if their ideas are not parallel. As long as they have good intentions mostly in line with my view Satoshi's vision of liberty I guess.

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A system in which verifiable trades get chives positive trust in return, is as I see it, a much better system.
All cheer for trust farming via 0.01 BTC trades. Roll Eyes



For some random reason, theymos doesn't seem fond of removing inactive users (which are liabilities).
Yes. Apart from the hijack/hack danger, trust is dynamic not static.
It looks like a lot of people don't understand this here, or at least do not mention it that often. An examplatory question: If you trusted someone after a few smaller trades a few years ago, do you still trust him equally now (assuming you didn't trade with the user anymore after  that e.g.)? The sensible answer would be a no. Decay and inappropriate actions should make it shift.

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I meant the last account created and added on the DT list (id not in base of the temporal line), so far no accounts above the account n=881377 as been added on the DT list, we have only u=1294878 loshia1974, but reading feedbacks Here is only an alt account
This surprised me too after seeing your sorted list. I didn't expect DT to be filled with mainly old members. The newest DT1 is more than 5 years old (I'm ignoring OldScammerTag here), and about 90% of DT2 is more than 4 years old.
I would guess many of the current DT-members were much less than 4 years old when they were added, which would mean getting on DT is harder now than it was 4 years ago. Of course it doesn't help that so many new users are spammers, but the number of decent posters went up too when Bitcoin gained popularity.

I think DT is more for placing valid scammer tags and the only sure avenu to becoming DT is to become a scambuster and leave a lot of valid negative feedback.
I was put on DT without leaving a lot of negatives. But when I do, I try to be thorough.

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Quick seller got caught out, why wonít others @lauda.
@loycev, Iím not surprised by that at all. Generally, like gaining merit, users seem to want to focus on othersí history. It goes without saying mid youíve been here longer you have more history and more references than someone who has been here for a much shorter amount of time.

Nullius gaining so much trust makes me think heís a known alt of someone too. There as a core dev or at least someone around bitcoin a few years ago who went by a similar name.

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I don't like how the current system is working at all. It was never intended to be a top-down "decision-making body". Everyone is supposed to set a custom list, and DefaultTrust is supposed to just be a stepping stone for newbies.

But what do you propose to fix it? Keep in mind that:
 - The #1 thing to be avoided is someone keeping illegitimate positive trust for long, since that facilitates scamming.
 - It's kind of OK for someone to get illegitimate negative trust, but if it's wrong then it should be removed eventually.
 - Other than that, it's best to have as many ratings trusted as possible.

Some possibilities which have come to my mind:

Force custom lists

Display an annoying message instead of a trust score next to every post until the person sets a custom list with the assistance of the set initial trust page.

Pros:
 - No remnant of top-down decision-making remains.
Cons:
 - Newbies will often choose poorly, especially since the suggested list is possibly manipulable.
 - I've been thinking that I might want to enable trust for non-users, and that'd be impossible with this.

Athenian democracy

Every month, pick ~30 random users from the set of users who meet certain fairly strict criteria. Those users are DT1 for the month. As a special exception to the normal trust network construction algorithm, distrusts in DT1 will also affect DT1; ie. if a user on DT1 has -1 or less net trusters on DT1, then they will not be considered to be on DT1 anymore.

Pros:
 - I think that it'd end up being fairly accurate on average.
 - It strongly encourages people to maintain good trust lists at all times.
 - Since it'd be erratic, it'd encourage people to not use DefaultTrust, which I don't want people to be doing.
 - It's not very top-down, though in some cases major failures might require manual adjustment.
 - It can be used by non-users.
Cons:
 - The stability everyone has gotten used to with DT will be gone.
 - Some degree of abuse is inevitable. There will be constant battles to get things working reasonably.

Voting

I'm not a fan of voting, especially in an environment like this where sockpuppets are impossible to prevent, but maybe it could be made to work with sufficient layers and oversight. For a while I was thinking about a complicated system in which users would self-assign themselves to "tribes", elect tribal leaders, and then the leaders would construct DT1 (plus some other stuff). I think I've decided that this particular method would be overly complicated and not sufficiently useful, though. Alternatives are possible.

Algorithmic

Maybe there's some algorithmic way of looking at the universal trust graph and pulling out a DT1 which would guarantee several important properties, even in the face of manipulation. I thought about it for a while, but I couldn't figure anything out.



If you have specific suggestions for alterations to the current DT1 list, then make a topic about it. I think that the system is structurally flawed as it is now, though.

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I don't see anything particularly bad about forcing custom lists. Yes, some users will choose poorly but the other options are potentially as much or more dangerous - e.g. if there's a flaw or loophole in the algorithm it would impose wrong choices on users without their knowledge or input.

Other than that - some combination of "Athenian" + "Voting" perhaps, where a certain set of users can vote? Random sounds a bit scary.

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Maybe start with the annoying message once people reach member status or even full member. With a hint that if they donít know who to add, then dot add anyone.

DT seems to be overvalued and seems to be made a rank in itself for some reason...

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I've always thought the trust system worked pretty well.  Even in cases where users have positive trust that I don't agree with, it seemed to take community opinion over a "top-down" approach.  However, I'm always open to seeing improvements.

Every month, pick ~30 random users from the set of users who meet certain fairly strict criteria.

It sounds like the benefit of this approach would be more DT1 users, but also a rotating approach that could help point out users with poor networks who could use adjusting.  Over time, I could see this being great, but would likely involve a more hands on approach from the users being selected and random is a bit scary.

Why not expand the current DT1 system?  It sounds like most of the complaints about it are that people aren't included.  Why not take a look at how expanding the current DT1 members to 30 would effect the system and perhaps moving to a random rotating approach if that goes well?

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Iím surprised Sirius isnít dt1, afaik heís still holding the domain for this site.

He's not holding the domain.

If a DT1 member trusts someone for whatever reason, I think the DT1 member is fully justified in adding the member to his trust list, thereby making that member a DT2 member.

This is how it should be, but in practice hasn't been like that for years.

It shouldn't matter in the least if the newly-anointed DT2 member is active or leaves a lot of feedback or anything else.  The point is that the DT2 member can be trusted.  He's not required to be a scam buster or to use his DT status for anything if he doesn't want to.  Hell, I don't recognize half the DT2 members on that list, but I wouldn't argue that they should be removed just because they're inactive.

I agree. Sadly, DT1 members do not agree with us. I've talked recently with few DT1 members (who I could contact, several of them are unresponsive or inactive) and how they describe DT is very far from your view.

not required to be a scam buster

I think DT is more for placing valid scammer tags and the only sure avenu to becoming DT is to become a scambuster and leave a lot of valid negative feedback.
DT positive is very conservative because you are basically staking your reputation to vouch for someone, or risking the reputation of your judgment for not much gain. Moreso adding someone to DT2 because then you are staking your judgment on them not only not to scam, but on their judgment of others not to scam. It's just much easier and safer not to, and their isn't much upside.

I disagree. DT should be a list of people who are unlikely to scam others. Nothing else. It should not be used as some "ultimately trusted people" -list, as that's as real as unicorns. There have been plenty of scammers in DT. And I can tell you that scammers know their way in to that list, no matter how curated or small you want to keep it. So DT, if it has to exist, should merely act as a list of people unlikely to scam others. People should in general form their own trust networks, so I find the whole DT list largely unneeded.

Negatives are 99.9% provable fact and positives are a judgement call, the way feedback is used.

Untrue. Negatives are largely based on pure opinions and incompetence. E.g. look at my trust rating received from SaltySpitoon (a DT1 member). He rated me red, because I did a vendor bid on my auction ~3 years ago. I had not stated that the auction was without reserve, as it was not without reserve. (E.g. the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve and all no reserve is a special rule.) So I did this vendor bid, which is a sort of a concealed reserve price. SaltySpitoon is lying that I didn't honor the auction. I didn't back then know about the Bitcointalk auction standard, which is quite vague and not specified anywhere, but is something one just has to know. I didn't know back then that vendor bids are not cool in here. They're very commonly done in my country. In any case, vendor bids are not scamming, unethical or anything like that. So this rating by SaltySpitoon is wrecking my trust score and is listed in "trusted rating" page for all the people who trust DT, and it's based on SaltySpitoon's incompetent opinion. It's unfair, unjust and shows incredibly bad judgement, but there's nothing anyone can do about it except theymos. Nobody will go against a DT1 member publicly, Believe me, cliques and what not exist around DT.

Scambusters and negative tags are very beneficial to the community to warn others and stop bad actors while positives are only good for what?, saving some traders some escrow fees and slight complexity in trading?
Positives don't really help a person much while negatives have a massive impact.

Agree. And when negatives are used poorly, like they are... There have been various cases where DT members are misusing or abusing the system to boost their ego or whatever. In even more cases, the negative and positive ratings are given without proper basis. E.g. Vod rated me because I told him privately that I don't specifically trust him. Ego got hurt and shows.

@eddie, I donít like that sort of system as we have now.

I donít think scam busters should be on dt merely for being scam busters and itís why quite a few have gone on to scam and also why mdayonliner got negative trust too.
A system in which verifiable trades get chives positive trust in return, is as I see it, a much better system. Call me old fashioned, I like people to only give trust when theyíve had something at stake and itís paid off.

This also highlights one of the issues about DT: people have very different views about what it should be. And people in DT positions have different views too, and use them according to their own view. This makes it a bad thing.

DT list should be removed completely. Right now it's acting as a "elite", "trusted people" list while that's only the perception of it. Reality may be totally different. There have been very nasty scammers on the DT list, even on DT1. It took a long time until the worst ones got removed. There are still untrustworthy people who do their shit only occasionally, so they are not removed. My point is that it's not a list I would suggest trusting. It has objectively not worked very well at protecting big scams from happening. It has and is only working to protect newbies from getting scammed in some ridiculous way. So it should be used for that purpose only. Best would be to remove the DT completely -- it would encourage people to make their own lists just like trust networks are supposed to work. Of course there's some steep curve in the beginning, but isn't there always?

Also, DT1's who have added people to DT2 may have been completely inactive for years, so who will remove them? Curating is not working properly and it's in the hands of a couple people. Not good.

I would guess many of the current DT-members were much less than 4 years old when they were added, which would mean getting on DT is harder now than it was 4 years ago. Of course it doesn't help that so many new users are spammers, but the number of decent posters went up too when Bitcoin gained popularity.

I asked to be included in the DT list. I've been here for years, and around the scene for years. I've also traded a lot, and so on. I've also acted as "a judge" on various cases as I've moderated e.g. Bitcoin IRC channels for years.

I received mainly three kinds of responses from DT members:
1) Adding anyone who has a negative from some other DT is not possible without insane drama. This is where DT has evolved. There are tons of drama always around and obviously some people (DT1) get the heat.
2) I don't post enough positive or negative feedbacks. (one of this came from someone who is a lot less active regarding feedbacks than me, so I wonder this a little...)
3) I've rated positively someone they don't like. (and the person I have rated positively has dozens of positive ratings from various other people too, also from people on DT)

Some possibilities which have come to my mind:

Force custom lists

Display an annoying message instead of a trust score next to every post until the person sets a custom list with the assistance of the set initial trust page.

Pros:
 - No remnant of top-down decision-making remains.
Cons:
 - Newbies will often choose poorly, especially since the suggested list is possibly manipulable.
 - I've been thinking that I might want to enable trust for non-users, and that'd be impossible with this.

I think this is the best option. They will anyway rely on using DT (with the current system) and this is a step forward where there's no real DT, but still something (individual) that acts as such. Also new users would need to pick the users themselves, so they'd acknowledge it at that very point that they have chosen those "trusted" users themselves, and nobody did it for them.

If you have specific suggestions for alterations to the current DT1 list, then make a topic about it. I think that the system is structurally flawed as it is now, though.

Here's mine: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081293.new#new

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Improving the DT system is a good idea, but we should consider the consequences if we remove someone from DT or make a weak system changing every month. Don't forget about the bounty cheaters which will see a chance of getting their account rid of a red tag. When Lauda was removed from DT2 many tagged accounts were untagged. Imagine if some more DT2 are removed, the spam would go to moon  Roll Eyes
Adding more members to DT1 or DT2 is inevitable in my opinion. There are so many accounts not tagged yet for bounty abuse although the proof is obvious. The few DT members tagging them are too busy and it's just unfair if most of the recently reported cheaters can still escape. I provided a proof of hacked or sold accounts abusing bounties and they are still not tagged.
There are so many reports not reviewed. If all the cheaters will be tagged the spam would be reduced a lot.

Therefore I would increase the DT1 members up to 30 by adding trustworthy DT2 members. This will keep the existing ratings intact and fix some issues we have right now (not enough DT to tag already reported cheaters).

Edit:
@OP, the link to dserrano5 is wrong, correct version is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17768

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Best way is to use your own brain and judgement while dealing with others and you do not need any custom list/forum supplied list/ or more people in DT.

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Lot of cheaters aren't getting tagged due to unavailability of DT members on this forum and only few members were constantly finding cheaters and negging them so we need to add more DT members for the system to work with full potential I believe.

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I think the idea of the current DT system is working in a good way the only problem is that is the that the list of Dt1 is stopped at 5 years ago and the list dt2 is stopped a couple of years ago.
Maybe you just have to expand this list and add a couple of trusted people to the list dt1 (without shady past) and a dozen active people to the list dt2.
Also, you could add to the list dt2 some people who "are taking care of the forum" and who punish the people who are abusing the forum and not only people who managing the marketplace.
Or creating a new DT2 rank with any name and doing this kind of work, it's unpleasant to see that a large part of people here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.new#new and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4695194.msg42378900#msg42378900 are not tagged for abusing since a year, since almost nobody of DT cares about them.
Finally, I do not believe that a dynamic dt1 is a great idea, in the end it could be a goot trust network, but for the first months we would have trustworth people with negative rep for revenge and vice versa scammers with positive rep.

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Default Trust has done a pretty good job of holding scammers at bay.

I believe without the system, the amount of scams would be several times higher.

I'm OK with pushing custom lists (I don't use them) but removing the trust system completely would be a mistake of epic proportions.  People would run ponzis, promote paypal, bid on their own auctions,  post fake facts, etc. etc. 

Personally I have tagged over 1,300! untrustworthy people.  My actions have led to the majority of scammers thinking twice about pulling a common scam.




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I think the idea of the current DT system is working in a good way the only problem is that is the that the list of Dt1 is stopped at 5 years ago and the list dt2 is stopped a couple of years ago.
Maybe you just have to expand this list and add a couple of trusted people to the list dt1 (without shady past) and a dozen active people to the list dt2.
Also, you could add to the list dt2 some people who "are taking care of the forum" and who punish the people who are abusing the forum and not only people who managing the marketplace.
Or creating a new DT2 rank with any name and doing this kind of work, it's unpleasant to see that a large part of people here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.new#new and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4695194.msg42378900#msg42378900 are not tagged for abusing since a year, since almost nobody of DT cares about them.
Finally, I do not believe that a dynamic dt1 is a great idea, in the end it could be a goot trust network, but for the first months we would have trustworth people with negative rep for revenge and vice versa scammers with positive rep.

The current dt2 list did not stop 2 years ago. Marlboroza and the pharmacist were recently added within the last 6 months.

Regardless, it does feel like a good ol boys club at times and more people need to be added to dt1 so the current lists can increase and more users have a valuable opinion as far as who is or who isnt a scammer.

Right now with all the scam icos going around, you can never have enough eyes protecting the community.

Doesnt matter what is done, some people will be pissed off while some will obviously be pleased.

There will always be users who just do not get along. Only thing I would like to see is people consider the drama train that will arise when deciding on whom to add to either list. Choose users who can have an unbiased opinion and help the forum vs assholes who will go on a power trip.

There really is no reason to create a new list every month or whatnot. The users that made dt1 have earned that prestige. They have proven they belong on the list.

I do agree however that inactives or scammers should be immediately removed.


 
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I tried using my own custom trust list, but was fairly quick to find problems with trust ratings within my trust network, and frequently had to research why  certain people whose ratings I didn't agree with was in my trust network, and excluding many who either gave many ratings I disagreed with, or who included many people who I didn't want in my trust network.

I suspect the root cause reason why so many do not use custom trust lists is because so many people are bad at creating maintaining a custom list, and cannot be bothered to keep it updated. It only takes a small number of people whose ratings/list is 'trusted' that maintains a bad trust list to cause problems in the entire trust network.

I want to think about this topic some more....more to come on this subject

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I don't like how the current system is working at all.
Trust system is working fine, but DT list should refresh. I have made a thread about inactive DT member list, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025480.msg45474059#msg45474059 . There are lots if DT inactive. Especially on DT1. So if DT1 is inactive who will add new DT2? And I think there is more people's who deserve DT member's. I think list has not updated from long time. I believe list need to refresh. More DT could be add due many are inactive.

I'm not a fan of voting,
You can get suggestion from existing DT member's if you don't trust on voting. However current trust system should be continue due to prevent scam from forum. Just need improve with time. I think it's possible upgrade few members from DT2 to DT1 so DT1 could expand thier trust network.

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I sense cryptocvators idea is essentially what theymos has already  shunned (making dt3 viewable like 1 and 2 are).

If it goes ahead, a lot of moderation of inaccurate forefinger ,Igbo be required as dt3 members might have given some negs where a dt2 would have given a neutral for example.

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I don't like how the current system is working at all.

I don't mind the current DT system however centralized it may be because I trust and have great respect for the vast majority of those currently enlisted.
I think they check eachother pretty well also when their are disagreements everyone comes together to make sense of the situation, even non-DT have a voice, and usually everyone steps away with continuing mutual respect. Everyone misunderstands or is wrong sometimes.

But, if you really don't like it for being a "top down" structure I think you could scrap the appointed positions of power part and rather use an algorithm to calculate the weight of everyones sent feedback to be summed to each accounts final trust score.

Something like..
[(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20) = Weight of left feedback

Variables for "Rank" could be something like Legendary=1 Hero=0.75 Sr.=0.5 Full=0.25 with all lower ranks zero and "Trust" would be the feedback leavers current trust score. If the solution is negative (negative summed trust) weight=0
(Abuse resistance)

For a 900 activity hero with a trust score of 50 leaving a positive trust [(900/1000)0.75](50/20)=1.6875 round to 2 decimals would give the feedback receiver +1.69 to their trust score.

For a (very trusted old member) legendary with 2000 activity and 200 trust score giving a positive [(2000/1000)1](200/20)= 20 would leave +20

So the more established and trusted a member is, the harder their trust hits (more weight), and you would have to be atleast a full member, with net positive trust, for your feedback to carry any weight at all.  

A persons Trust score would be the sum of all received feedback. Negative left feedback would just be negative in the sum and subtract from the final score with equal weight.

In the risked BTC column you could give the option to enter a modifier from 0 to 1 so a person could reduce the weight of their feedback if they want.
He could type in "1.25 #0.5" so the legendary example above could leave only +10, or type "1.25 #0.1" to leave only +2. (for 1.25 risked BTC example)
[(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20)(user modifier)

So a person could tone down the weight of the feedback they leave if they feel it is appropriate so they wouldn't have to be so conservative with every feedback they leave which is the case now. Maybe leave it continually editable for later changes.

If you wanted to keep the Time part you could add [(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20)(Time)(user modifier) where each month equals 0.1 maxing out in 10 months as 1 so it would grow throughout 10 months to its full strength.

I'm no mathematician and I just chose my numbers to try to get a reasonably ranged result.

I don't much like to make suggestions because I am just a nobody and not a genius but I think a system like this would be cool to see.
I don't think this should be done but rather should be considered and brainstormed upon unless their are serious flaws in my logic I am not seeing.

I would probably just leave it alone because it is a lot better than nothing. Maybe an algorithmic system like this could be implemented in parallel with the current system at first so the old system doesn't have to get completely scrapped while working out the bugs and adjusting to the new system.

I don't consider this "a suggestion for alteration to the current DT1 list" so won't make an OP about it.

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Variables for "Rank" could be something like Legendary=1 Hero=0.75 Sr.=0.5 Full=0.25 with all lower ranks zero and "Trust" would be the feedback leavers current trust score. If the solution is negative (negative summed trust) weight=0
(Abuse resistance)

This forum stands out by not tying a person's trustworthiness to how often they post.

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I do agree however that inactives or scammers should be immediately removed.

In the end, I agree with what you say and I don't think we need to change the DT system (but they can do, is not a big deal to me if it will be a better version of this one), we just need to add few DT1 and some DT2 with them.
I think that with only adding very active people it can change the forum in a better place.

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Any updates regarding this?

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Any updates regarding this?
There's this suggestion:
With the introduction of reporting badges on the horizon we should consider introducing badges for other things. Most importantly I think looking at the possibly of rewarding a badge for setting a custom trust list. The trust system is wholeheartedly broken and theymos has even said himself its not working as intended.  We are not sure of the positive effects that badges bring at the moment. But this is why reporting statistics should be released before the implementation of the badges and then after an initial period (3 months) we should look to see if this has increased the number of reports being made.
I think it's a very good idea! A shiny badge under a name will be something others notice, and if clicking it brings you to your trust settings, more users can be encouraged to make their own list.
(I haven't made my own list yet, because I want to be able to see trust the way most users see it)

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Or we could airdrop worthless tokens Howeycoins for creating custom lists. 90% of the forum would do it overnight.

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I think it's a very good idea! A shiny badge under a name will be something others notice, and if clicking it brings you to your trust settings, more users can be encouraged to make their own list.
(I haven't made my own list yet, because I want to be able to see trust the way most users see it)

I agree. The link should lead to that 'suggest' page, so the custom list would really get made.

Or we could airdrop worthless tokens Howeycoins for creating custom lists. 90% of the forum would do it overnight.

Actually not even that bad idea, as I am sure it would work quite nicely. But it's a bit silly... no real need for new shitcoins & it would cause loads of problems for the future to have such a bag to carry.

I think that force is the best way. Just remove DT and people have no other choice than to use the 'suggest' page to make their trust list. A "personal DT" would be much better, because users would know that the list is formed by their own choices, by their hand-picked users.

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I'm starting to have a big number of feedback sent, does it have a limit in numbers?

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I'm starting to have a big number of feedback sent, does it have a limit in numbers?

You have just over 500 neg trust sent.   The highest person is The Pharmacist, with almost 2,500.


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You have just over 500 neg trust sent.   The highest person is The Pharmacist, with almost 2,500.
So I guess that makes me the alpha negger on bitcointalk--that actually surprises me, because this is a statistic that I've never even thought about before.  If you'd asked me to guess who'd given out the most negs, I would have said either you or Lauda.  Interesting.

If I'm not mistaken, I think most of the red trust I've given out has been for account selling or buying, so this just goes to show how bad that particular problem is on the forum.

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I'm starting to have a big number of feedback sent, does it have a limit in numbers?
If I remember correctly, there used to be problems loading the trust page if it was too big. That's why the trust page no longer shows the status of the tagged/tagging user.

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I'm starting to have a big number of feedback sent, does it have a limit in numbers?
If I remember correctly, there used to be problems loading the trust page if it was too big. That's why the trust page no longer shows the status of the tagged/tagging user.
This was because the forum server needed to calculate everyoneís trust score who appeared on someoneís trust page. This could not be done periodically globally because everyoneís trust settings, including their trust list is potentially different.


I donít necessarily think it is a good thing to have sent a lot of negative ratings. Above all, it is important to have accurate ratings, including those that meet the definition of the description of the type of rating you are giving and that third parties are not in disagreement with. Another useful metric would include the number of people that openly dispute your ratings, although it should be acknowledged that some people will simply be unreasonable and will refuse to accept their behavior indicates they are either a scammer or will try to scam in the future.

Also, uncovering a difficult to detect scam that has gone unnoticed by others is better than tagging many low hanging fruits and/or tagging after checking othersí work.

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I am totally schoked. I have never imagine that a forum can have such a fucked up trust system.

Maybe because it is so big and going for such a long time?

Maybe because corruption and image is more important?

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I'm starting to think that we need an additional system that works in parallel with the actual system, I've reported over 600 accounts for abusing from newbies to legendary, only 20 has been tagged from DT members 2 DT members.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4695194.msg42378900#msg42378900

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I'm starting to think that we need an additional system that works in parallel with the actual system, I've reported over 600 accounts for abusing from newbies to legendary, only 20 has been tagged from DT members 2 DT members.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4695194.msg42378900#msg42378900

Not really, I think what we should do is stop tagging for usefull reasons. That might be a first.

Second, having a DT system based on activity and trading
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I am totally schoked. I have never imagine that a forum can have such a fucked up trust system.

It worked well in your case - prevented you from scamming an innocent user.

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I am totally schoked. I have never imagine that a forum can have such a fucked up trust system.

It worked well in your case - prevented you from scamming an innocent user.

Yes, I am totally agree with you. You're at this moment a reason why I think the system is wrong.
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I am totally schoked. I have never imagine that a forum can have such a fucked up trust system.

It worked well in your case - prevented you from scamming an innocent user.

Yes, I am totally agree with you. You're at this moment a reason why I think the system is wrong.

Ok, so you would prefer a system where new users could not be prevented from scamming?

Do you think that would help the forum community, or just the scammers?

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I am totally schoked. I have never imagine that a forum can have such a fucked up trust system.

It worked well in your case - prevented you from scamming an innocent user.

Yes, I am totally agree with you. You're at this moment a reason why I think the system is wrong.

Ok, so you would prefer a system where new users could not be prevented from scamming?

Do you think that would help the forum community, or just the scammers?

Oh no, obviously not. God fuck the scammers, but where is the case of scamming with a collateral? A collateral may not be valid for you, it might be valid to someone else.

I just saw you red trusted someone willing to have as Collateral CRGO coin.

This is so stupid and wrong, I have no idea if you are a person that understands crypto or someone with a lot of free time
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Oh no, obviously not. God fuck the scammers, but where is the case of scamming with a collateral? A collateral may not be valid for you, it might be valid to someone else.

My definition of collateral is pretty clear.

Collateral is something that can easily be resold to cover the loan value plus interest


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A collateral may not be valid for you, it might be valid to someone else.
Here's the problem:  it would be a scammer's tactic to ask for a loan with a shitcoin or token that he knows can't be sold and therefore is worthless for him to hold.  In your lending thread, it looked exactly like you were just waiting for a sucker to take the bait.  People were explaining to you that your token might be unsalable, and you basically kept responding "yeah well, everyone can make up their own mind". 

This forum is rife with examples of loan scamming where people put up either worthless collateral or collateral that they're simultaneously trying to sell.  That's why you got tagged.  However, I'm not calling you a scammer outright, just pointing out that there were huge red flags in your lending thread.  Maybe you have too much faith in the future of GRVS, and maybe you intended to just pay back the loan honestly.  Who knows?  Vod called it as he saw it, and while it might seem pretty strict of him to tag you, there isn't much you can do about it unless you work out an arrangement with him. 

Vod is reasonable, but you have to understand that he's seen so many scams and attempted scams here that his position is to take no chances, especially with relative newbies.

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there is a good chance that you are an honest person and you were actually going to repay the loan, but honestly using a shitcoin that is not even on CMC as a collateral is as bad as going to the pawn shop with your underwear as a collateral, while you may think it worth a lot, to most people it's useless and have 0 value. and given the amount of scammers around, the smallest thing you do puts you on the scammers side. so before you try to buy/sell/lend/load you need to think 10 times before you become a scam suspect.

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Hmm very interesting point of view..I can say that at that moment I had faith in grvs, for now I still have as things are changing for good again. Scammers scammers scammers, this doesn't help, this makes people to scam. You have to stop saying this around all time because this is what creates. Whatsoever, you can look at logs, I have closed the thread before receiving any kind of trust feedback from the people, it was not my intent at all to care at least about scaming. I can't take serious someone like the description licking boobs, even if I am a very big fan of family guy. More or less, many things as this has to be changed soon enough
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Scammers scammers scammers, this doesn't help, this makes people to scam.

It doesn't work that way. Look at Vod's received feedback:

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Has it made him scam?

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I can't take serious someone like the description licking boobs

who doesn't like licking boobs ? Huh i sometimes's stop and stare at that profile picture, it actually has a tongue moving. Grin .

anyway if you plan to trade again on the forum, just be extra careful, offer a valid collateral if you need a loan.

Good luck.

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@suchmoon, that's different, it's a mental problem there.

@mikeywith I don't like boobs, I like nipples as fact lol
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Well, this is a feature which majority don't care and understand. I think very less attention given to this topic.
Even after years, I don't understand how this trust system works.
I think we need more transparency in this.

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Even after years, I don't understand how this trust system works.
I think we need more transparency in this.
I have tried my best to explain both the trust system and DT. Hope you will find it worthy. Feel free to ask question. I will happily try to help you understanding the system.
[Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
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I went through both link, simple and very good explanation. Thank you for that.
Now I don't understand why despite that I have 4 ratings, they are not showing up on my profile?

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I went through both link, simple and very good explanation. Thank you for that.
Now I don't understand why despite that I have 4 ratings, they are not showing up on my profile?
Because they are coming from untrusted users (from the default trust point of view). Read the second thread again (How DT system works).

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I went through both link, simple and very good explanation. Thank you for that.
Now I don't understand why despite that I have 4 ratings, they are not showing up on my profile?
TryNinja has already said that they are from untrusted networks. Now, if you go to your trust setting and include the name of those persons from whom you got feedback, you can see those in your profile. No one else will see as long as they will also be included in their trust list. For example, if I add sparkweb in my trust list, I will see the feedback. I have just added sparkweb in my trust list for showing you.

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Now this makes sense. Got it now.
So until I get trust from some very big level it won't be visible enough.

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Now this makes sense. Got it now.
So until I get trust from some very big level it won't be visible enough.
There is nothing called big level although we have some members called DT. If everyone uses a custom trust list, the DT member will not be big level anymore. If you have included someone in your trust list, you will be able to see his feedback to other's profile or in your profile.
I think you should again read the two threads earlier I suggested and try to understand how it works.
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Yeah I have read it.
Problem is majority users are not aware of how to use trust system and merit system
So mostly for trust, its big level what i was referring to is having trust from one DT person, bcoz that will be visible to everyone.
I think forum moderators can see how many poeple have custom trust setting, i assumption is that they should be very very few.

May be BT should start some area to educate or some weekly email to users with these details, or whoever sign-up few should get somehow to use this platform effectively.

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Yeah I have read it.
Problem is majority users are not aware of how to use trust system and merit system
So mostly for trust, its big level what i was referring to is having trust from one DT person, bcoz that will be visible to everyone.
I think forum moderators can see how many poeple have custom trust setting, i assumption is that they should be very very few.

May be BT should start some area to educate or some weekly email to users with these details, or whoever sign-up few should get somehow to use this platform effectively.
It's true that custom trust list is used by only a few people. I personally am not using custom list because I trust most of the DT people and I want to see feedback from them by default.
Theymos is promoting/encouraging people to use custom trust list by the forum ads slot. Check the 60th number text in factoid slots.
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Now this makes sense. Got it now.
So until I get trust from some very big level it won't be visible enough.

Trust score may not increase when you get feedbacks from users who are not DT, but it is still good to receive positive feedbacks from those users. Users read your feedbacks(Most should anyways) and get a sense of how reliable you are to make trades with, hire, or trust period.

Another thing, when you leave feedback on others try to make sure to include a reference link so that the action or transaction has merit and cannot be viewed as a fake feedback. Hopefully others that leave you feedback do the same.

 
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January 07, 2019, 07:12:45 AM
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I think forum moderators can see how many poeple have custom trust setting, i assumption is that they should be very very few.
Trust is public, you can see it too:
https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

I made it so that'll update every Saturday at 02:52 UTC. -> is "trusts", and -/> is "excludes". Only people with at least 1 post are included. If someone has never touched their trust list, then their trust in DefaultTrust is not shown.
I count 3890 users with a custom trust list:
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satamusic
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Peter Todd
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wariner
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gsan
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organofcorti
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tysat
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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists.  It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised.  I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought.  I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists?

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This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.
DT should be removed.
This is one of the reasons why DT should be removed completely.
The problem is that DT exists.
Just remove DT



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Can you exclude accounts who have DT in their trust network and make a list of accounts with only custom list? Just to see how many people have removed DT from the list.


How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?

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How can I see someone's trust list without including them to my trust list?
It's not possible. Don't know what can you get by digging here- https://bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz (I never tried)
I got a same kinda thread from 2015 and theymos has shared this link only. Here you go- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175364.0
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