2020 Democrats

[squatz1]

In this thread, the alt right echo chamber that is P&S tries to figure out the democrats base voters.

Clinton 2.0 (Biden) would be the worst thing the dems can do for 2020!

Bidens best day was the day he announced.

Well yeah, and I think most progressives think this as well. Though the establishment side of the party is going to want Biden, as he's not going to bring too much radical change to the party and he's just going to continue the status quo.

I don't know if I believe the whole 'Biden is a punching bag theory' I think he was just ill-prepared, and though he'd be able to steamroll these new candidates with his expertise/history in politics. Harris is a good candidate, without a doubt, and I think people doubted her ability to campaign and fight on the campaign trail. He's still their best bet at winning, at least in the eyes of the voters.

She's not a real progressive though, she's a law and order candidate that's trying to hide it -- as Theymos said. I know he had that really good article about her sometime ago.

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[Spendulus]

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You likely need to start by figuring out what exactly you did so wrong with Hitlery, and then not make those mistakes again.

So if the DNC puts Biden in its like an inside suicide job.

No, there was a lot of evil in Hillary, and her bunch. Did people see it? Yes, helped by email dumps by Julian Assauge, which he said then and to this day that his source wasn't Russian.

I think more importantly there was a lot of manifest, right out in the open incompetence in Hillary, that was inexcusable and which couldn't be shrugged or laughed off.

And there certainly wasn't any incompetence shown by Trump.

But keep in mind your "progressive radical left mind set," when you make comments like Biden would be an inside suicide job. One of your wacko nut-jobs from the left coast isn't going to bring the coal miners into your group, or the farmers, or the union workers. Those old style traditional democrats.

Well maybe not. It's too early to tell but a star may rise like Donald Trump, opposite in every way.
But for sure if they nominatee Biden, Trump will win. But hope I'm wrong. Old style politics is not going to work.

The only thing that will defeat Trump is if somebody comes along who fires everybody up, and gets a psychological foothold on people. That's why I say Gabbard, 1st Harris, 2nd, and (maybe Williamson...I can dream)

Edit.. No incompetence in Trump? Now you are trying to make me laugh..

And with Hilary, there was such huge big money smear campaign against her on Facebook which was created by the Russian company.This was proven. But still she won the popular vote!

I'll bite. How huge? How much big money?

Right, no incompetence. Seriously. Try to get through the political blinders and look at what constitutes blunders. Bengazi, Fast and Furious, the Email scandal. Leaving the ethics aside, those are incompetent blunders.

The only thing that will defeat Trump is if somebody comes along who fires everybody up, and gets a psychological foothold on people. That's why I say Gabbard, 1st Harris, 2nd, and (maybe Williamson...I can dream)

This is true, but again, get past your personal prejudices and listen to an outside opinion. My take is these women are B-O-R-I-N-G. Obama had a certain charisma, and a very good, resonating speaking voice. Some thought Beto could do it, but, nope. His fakeness is obvious. But they sure tried to push him.

To beat Trump, you'd need a nobody, with no discoverable past. Maybe hide it like Obama did. He/She would need to be pretty/handsome. Attractive and someone people would like. Hollywoody. Then you'd need to train this schmuck what to say and how to act and when to grin and look sad. Ideally, this vacuous nobody would be trained to say things that could mean anything, so various low IQ politics consumers would know he/she was saying and thinking exactly what their ideal candidate would say/think/be.

Have fun.  After you are finished creating and advocating this FrankNSteiness, deal with the fact that Trump's winning was in large part a REACTION to this nonsense.

[Quickseller]

(maybe Williamson...I can dream)

lol, probably not.

Personally doubt she actually wants to survive far into the primary season, let along become president (although they said the same thing about Trump). I suspect her campaign, and appearance on the debate stage was a way to sell books, and I would not be surprised if she book sales ticked noticeably up after the debates.

[Mastrhiggins]

I kind of like Mayor Pete.

I think he has all the characteristics one usually looks for in a Prez.

-Intelligent
-Honest (as much as a politician can be)
-Confident
-Not over-promising like the others
-Man of faith
-Talks about the future vision he sees for country (not 4 or 8 years down the line but for decades)
-Effective communicator
-Served in the Armed Forces

He does lack a certain fire though or that charisma that today's society really looks for.  This is based on the past 12 years.

So lets see what happens.

[_Miracle]

What are the thoughts on candidates after the recent debate?

[bluefirecorp_]

Castro gonna gain a few points for calling out Biden.

People need to understand the nuanced difference in policy.

[BADecker]

Democrats have changed. They aren't the democrats of less than a decade ago. Watch the video at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056942.msg52456727#msg52456727.

The video is one done by Robert Kennedy, Jr., against vaccines. But it isn't really against vaccines. What it really does is shows how the Democrat theme has changed simply because the Democrat Party strings are being pulled by big corporations.

Listen "between the lines," so to speak, to what is being said in the video.

[theymos]

What are the thoughts on candidates after the recent debate?

The way this has been playing out has been surprising.

Primary voting starts in February, so it seems likely that nobody new is going to successfully jump in at this point. (Though you never know.) These candidates seem to have no chance at this point: O'Rourke, Booker, Gabbard (sadly), Klobuchar, Castro, Steyer, Bennet, Williamson, Ryan, de Blasio, Delaney, and Bullock.

I'm shocked at how poorly Biden has been performing/campaigning. He looks like a senile old man. I would've thought that his campaign would've been able to prep him enough and pump him full of enough stimulants to at least make him look like some boring Mitt-Romney-esque politician-man, which is really all he needs to probably win. Even doing as poorly as he is, he might still win the primary because the competition is so far-left, but it's hard to imagine him winning against Trump in this state.

The actual voters are more centrist than most of the candidates seem to think, especially when you consider that many states allow independants to vote in the Democratic primaries. Maybe they're not as far right as Biden (who could pass as a Republican), but stuff like forced gun confiscation, abolishing ICE, and giving illegal aliens free healthcare will seem quite extreme to even the average Democratic voter.

I'm also surprised that Harris has been doing so poorly, since she clearly was (and still is) a media/establishment favorite. But she comes off as so fake/pandering/shapeshifting, to the point where even the average Joe notices it, and the pro-Harris propaganda hasn't seemed to stick much.

I still can't help but think that one of those two will end up winning regardless of anything else, since the establishment favors them so much. Maybe Biden will end up dropping out before or during a brokered convention, and will assign his delegates to Harris. Maybe this is already the plan. (Also, note that in a brokered convention, which is almost certain, superdelegates matter, and the vast majority of superdelegates will support the establishment favorite.)

Buttigieg seems to be positioning himself as a power broker / compromise candidate in a brokered convention. He's a possible VP for whoever wins.

Warren is pro-war, so the establishment doesn't hate her as much as Sanders. She'd be uniquely weak against Trump, though. Sanders has performed very well in all of the debates and in his campaigning, but the media/establishment hates him quite a bit, which is hurting him.

Andrew Yang is doing well. The UBI raffle thing is a great campaign idea. Him winning is a crazy longshot still, though.

My current ratings:

Candidate	% to win the primary	% to win the presidency assuming they win the primary - no recession	% to win - recession	My preference
Joe Biden	70%	15%	65%	4
Bernie Sanders	4%	50%	90%	1
Elizabeth Warren	7%	5%	25%	6
Kamala Harris	15%	35%	75%	5
Pete Buttigieg	3%	75%	95%	3
Andrew Yang	1%	70%	80%	2

(And I give a 40% chance of a recession being well underway by the general election, so this implies a 61% chance of Trump winning.)

Preference-wise:
 - I hate Sanders' economic policies, but he's anti-war and pro-civil-liberties, which are the two areas that a president has the most control over anyway. Also, if it's Trump vs Sanders and Sanders loses, this'd be a great blow to socialism. Trump vs Sanders would be win-win in some ways.
 - Elizabeth Warren is both openly very hostile to capitalism and generally supportive of wars and the establishment. A worst-case scenario.
 - Biden and Harris are authoritarian neocons. Note that everything Harris says on the campaign trail is a total lie: she doesn't actually believe in anything but personal power.
 - Andrew Yang is a bit of a wildcard, but he seems kind of libertarian-leaning, I guess.
 - Buttigieg went to Harvard, which ties him deeply to the establishment. But he might also have some real beliefs. He might be similar to Obama.

[nutildah]

My current ratings:

Candidate	% to win the primary	% to win the presidency assuming they win the primary - no recession	% to win - recession	My preference
Joe Biden	70%	15%	65%	4
Bernie Sanders	4%	50%	90%	1
Elizabeth Warren	7%	5%	25%	6
Kamala Harris	15%	35%	75%	5
Pete Buttigieg	3%	75%	95%	3
Andrew Yang	1%	70%	80%	2

Welcome to Camp Bernie.

I'm surprised you gave Kamala Harris as high a shot of winning the primary as you did.

I am in agreement with Biden being likely unable to beat Trump in the national election, but I don't think the DNC wants anybody other than Biden, perhaps they are still sore over Bernie putting up such a good fight against Hillary last time around. Of course it was the DNC that did themselves in by plotting against Bernie. That was stupid. Looks like they are on track to do it again.

Here's how Real Clear Politics has each dem primary candidate right now:

[bluefirecorp_]

Sanders dropped Housing for All policy.

[YOSHIE]

Even though I am not a United States citizen at least, our country has good relations with superpowers, which I have seen like Obama.
At least I also follow political developments in some countries, such as the United States.

Talking about the upcoming US presidential election politics 2020, many candidates are opposed to Donald Trump, for now there are enough people who oppose it.
that I know to date is the most prominent (Michael Bloomberg). He is also a billionaire known in the US and also the former Mayor of New York.

Bloomberg's career history is quite good, Bloomberg had held three mayor's office positions before resigning. This rarely happens in the United States, but Bloomberg did it.

The most interesting thing when following about political career Bloomberg was a Republican member, but he made the decision to vote through the Democratic party, run for him, to challenge Trump.

With the wealth he has around US $ 51 billion, I'm sure Bloomberg, will occupy the number one seat in the United States.

[Spendulus]

My current ratings:

Candidate	% to win the primary	% to win the presidency assuming they win the primary - no recession	% to win - recession	My preference
Joe Biden	70%	15%	65%	4
Bernie Sanders	4%	50%	90%	1
Elizabeth Warren	7%	5%	25%	6
Kamala Harris	15%	35%	75%	5
Pete Buttigieg	3%	75%	95%	3
Andrew Yang	1%	70%	80%	2

Welcome to Camp Bernie.

I'm surprised you gave Kamala Harris as high a shot of winning the primary as you did.

I am in agreement with Biden being likely unable to beat Trump in the national election, but I don't think the DNC wants anybody other than Biden, perhaps they are still sore over Bernie putting up such a good fight against Hillary last time around. Of course it was the DNC that did themselves in by plotting against Bernie. That was stupid. Looks like they are on track to do it again.

Here's how Real Clear Politics has each dem primary candidate right now:

All the Democrats would have to do to be competitive against Trump would be to drop the ultra left nonsense and nominate a medium left of center "pretty boy or pretty girl", or "bad guy from the hood" candidate.

That would be someone that said "Hello, no!" to reparations, "It's absurd!" to the Green New Deal.

The current Democratic party does not represent the Democratic voter, but instead some twisted and sick international progressive agenda.

[nutildah]

All the Democrats would have to do to be competitive against Trump would be to drop the ultra left nonsense and nominate a medium left of center "pretty boy or pretty girl"

They have that guy already, his name is Joe Biden. I think Trump is going to mop the floor with him in the debates. If not, at best it will produce another situation similar to the last time around where Trump loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college. Biden is completely uninspiring, but on the other hand, at least he's not Hillary. What he loses due to the debates he will regain by not being Hillary. I dunno. We still have a long way to go.

[Spendulus]

All the Democrats would have to do to be competitive against Trump would be to drop the ultra left nonsense and nominate a medium left of center "pretty boy or pretty girl"

They have that guy already, his name is Joe Biden. I think Trump is going to mop the floor with him in the debates. If not, at best it will produce another situation similar to the last time around where Trump loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college. Biden is completely uninspiring, but on the other hand, at least he's not Hillary. What he loses due to the debates he will regain by not being Hillary. I dunno. We still have a long way to go.

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I'm 100% pro Trump but that's not the guy we want on this.

It gets even worse when someone tries to overcome Biden's deficiencies by pairing him with the one who will appeal to minorities/sex/viewpoints.

Biden is like running Dole against Bill Clinton...

[af_newbie]

I hope it is Joe Biden.  Most capitalist socialist/democrat.  I can live with him.  I am scared of all others.

All others will be bad for business, stock markets, USD, gov. debt, pension plans, etc.

I hope Trump will win so that we can get another 5-4 years in this bull market.

Biden for the nomination, Trump for the president!!!

[suchmoon]

I'm shocked that anyone who's heard Biden speak recently would give him any chance to win, let alone vote for him. Then again, I can't imagine anyone trusting anything Trump says so what do I know.

Warren seems to be a more acceptable (to the DNC and hardcore democrats) version of Sanders so the fight is probably going to be between her and Biden, barring some scandal. Biden's pervy paws might do him in.

[Astargath]

I'm shocked that anyone who's heard Biden speak recently would give him any chance to win, let alone vote for him. Then again, I can't imagine anyone trusting anything Trump says so what do I know.

Warren seems to be a more acceptable (to the DNC and hardcore democrats) version of Sanders so the fight is probably going to be between her and Biden, barring some scandal. Biden's pervy paws might do him in.

Warren is a joke, come on. All of them are honestly just fucking clowns, they look like characters from a TV show, it's not even close.

[Spendulus]

I'm shocked that anyone who's heard Biden speak recently would give him any chance to win, let alone vote for him. Then again, I can't imagine anyone trusting anything Trump says so what do I know.

Warren seems to be a more acceptable (to the DNC and hardcore democrats) version of Sanders so the fight is probably going to be between her and Biden, barring some scandal. Biden's pervy paws might do him in.

Warren is a joke, come on. All of them are honestly just fucking clowns, they look like characters from a TV show, it's not even close.

When the Dem was Hillary and I strongly felt she was evil and Trump was acceptable. This time around I'm seeing an absence of content and what appears to be a breakdown of the Dem traditional philosophical principles and a group of candidates that say things that make no sense.

Is the breakdown the result of the party being in the transitional phase toward a socialist, totalitarian advocacy? If so, is it internal US or external influences or the natural drift that is the cause?

[BADecker]

Of course, you could always blame the NRA for your inability to clean up your own city.


The capital of California is collapsing into chaos, feces, drug addiction and homelessness… and it’s all run by Democrats, of course

Even though places like San Francisco and Los Angeles typically get the most attention, out-of-control homelessness is also a major problem in Sacramento, California’s capital, where human feces, urine, trash, and drug needles are reportedly piling up all across the city at an exponential rate.

The Democrat stronghold, and the locale from which Governor Gavin Newsom rules California, is said to currently have about 5,570 homeless people living on its streets – a figure that’s 19 percent higher than just two years ago, illustrating how quickly homelessness is spreading across the Golden State.

With about 130,000 homeless people in total, California leads the pack in societal failure and economic collapse. And Sacramento is quickly becoming one of California’s many ground zeros for rampant homelessness, which is starting to drive away local businesses that can no longer operate successfully due to all the blight.

“I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work,” stated Liz Novak, a local salon owner, to the media about what she’s had to deal with trying to conduct business in Sacramento.

“I have to clean up the poop and the pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for – I care for these people that are homeless – to move their tents out of the way of the door to my business.”

[btcusury]

The DNC and legacy media see no choice but to resign themselves to support Sleepy Biden. The socialist camp, now led by Warren after cannibalizing Sanders, will be ignored/censored by the corporate Demonrats, unless Biden can't hang on (like Killary could). They need an Oprah or Michael Obama to have a candidate with any solidity. Trump need do little more than blow wind to knock out the existing ones in a live debate. Short of some odd surprise like Bezos running for prez or something happening to Trump, they need to cheat on a scale never achieved before.