2020 Democrats

[squatz1]

Looks like Julian Castro officially ended his 2020 Presidential campaign. Of course, everyone knew this was coming and it seems clear Castro only held his campaign up to see if he could secure a Vice Presidential spot or cabinet position in the Democratic nominee's administration. He was polling at less than one percent throughout his campaign so I can't imagine many people will be disappointed. - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/us/politics/julian-castro-dropping-out.html



Also, our favorite candidate Marianne Williamson is close to ending her campaign as she has now laid off her entire campaign staff nationally. - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-white-house-hopeful-williamson-lets-go-of-entire-campaign-staff

Was really rooting for Marianne 2020. I can't tell you all how disappointed I am.


Also to add, betting odds currently reflect that Andrew Yang is ahead  of Amy Klobuchar winning the nominee which is interesting considering Klobuchar is an established US senator with political experience where as Yang came out of thin air shooting himself to the national stage. Yang hit is Q4 fund raising goal and is picking up a bit of momentum it seems like but it's not being shown in the polling averages.

Honestly he'll probably end up with a cabinet position anyway, he's someone who's trusted around the DNC establishmnt and he'd be given something like he was given in the Obama admin -- HUD or something minor like that.

In other news some of his staffers are saying that the primary process has the deck stacked against minorities due to the makeup of Iowa and New Hampshire (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/02/castro-democratic-primary-093079) They're pretty much saying that because of the demographics in Iowa and NH not representing the rest of the party (minority wise) and the reliance on doing well in these states to do well in the rest of the primary, that it is unfair towards minorities.

It's a fair argument to make in general.  Always having the same 4 states primary or caucus before everyone else doesn't seem like the most effective way to choose the best candidate for the other 46.  There's been a push to change it for a while, so it could happen soon.

Iowa and NH are two of the least diverse states, but SC and NV also happen before Super Tuesday - NV has much higher hispanic population than average and same with SC blacks.  (ironic that SC is the only race where we already knew the outcome months ago: old white guy wins in a land slide)

Yeah not a bad argument, though the problem is that it's not like Castro had great polling numbers everywhere else and was going to crush it elsewhere. Though the staffers said that their arguments extend to further then him, to Booker and Harris as well, as their campaigns didn't/haven't fared too well.

SC is one of the states that Harris had been targeting heavily, had saw that in one of the political podcasts that I listen too. They had been saying that the black community isn't rallying around Harris like they rallied around Obama. Also, there's the fact that the black community was nervous to support her because she didn't seem electable vs Trump (which if the national / state by state polls were right, that's true)

Just have all the primaries on one day and end it there. Make them all proportional and that's the end of it. Though that'd have to be approved by each individual states party chapter.

[JollyGood]

Who from the Democratic Party is going to be the right candidate to take on Trump (if he is not impeached or otherwise unavailable/incapable of standing for re-election as the incumbent) because he will have most of the evangelical right with him as well as a lot of the right itself. Sure plenty of activists (anti-war, climate, peace, etc) and newly able-to-first-time voters will be out in force making an anti-Trump or anti-Republican vote but pro-Trump/pro-Republicans will be out in force too. I mentioned in another post elsewhere that Trump lost the popular vote but won the states that mattered so there is no reason he cannot repeat the victory. Maybe he will.

As far as the Democrats are concerned who has that perfect mix of charisma, being well spoken, well mannered and being well informed on issues that matter and makes themselves look like an excellent candidate on TV during the debates?

If Elizabeth Warren is going to win the Democratic nomination will she succeed where Hillary failed so miserably? If Biden gets the nomination would he win the Presidency because of the whole Ukraine/Impeachment issue as a backlash?

Still a long way to go but the Democratic that takes on the incumbent will find it very tough and the incumbent will find it much harder this time round as the Democratic Party will not get complacent or take anything for granted again.

[Spendulus]

Who from the Democratic Party is going to be the right candidate to take on Trump ....
As far as the Democrats are concerned who has that perfect mix of charisma, being well spoken, well mannered and being well informed on issues that matter and makes themselves look like an excellent candidate on TV during the debates?

If Elizabeth Warren is going to win the Democratic nomination will she succeed where Hillary failed so miserably? If Biden gets the nomination would he win the Presidency because of the whole Ukraine/Impeachment issue as a backlash?

Still a long way to go but the Democratic that takes on the incumbent will find it very tough and the incumbent will find it much harder this time round as the Democratic Party will not get complacent or take anything for granted again.

I think the Dems are going to find it difficult to get their average voting crowd to even go to the polls, after the SEVERAL clown shows and the many clown candidates they've pushed.

[PrimeNumber7]

I've been in a memey mood recently and I thought this thread was fitting for this particular poll.



I kid, but at the end of the day, I still believe all of these people (sans the dead Iranian) are more electable than Trump. We'll see.

I would have thought a terrorist who has killed hundreds of Americans would have polled better than 4th place among Democrats...

[TECSHARE]

[Flying Hellfish]

Booker is out and Bernie is surging (at exactly the right time).  Warren lost too much support when she flipped flopped on M4A.  

The leader of the Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll has gone on to win the nomination for the last 6 cycles, Bernie for the first time in his 2 attempts at the nom has reached 1st place in that poll.  If the last 6 cycles are any indication Bernie will win the nomination!!!!

The MSM, Biden campaign and the Trump campaign have finally started to realize that Bernie has a shot at the nomination, and all 3 are spending time going after him now!

Bernie is by no means a sure shot at this point, IA AND NH are absolute must wins for Bernie BUT if he can manage to win them both it could be the momentum he needs for Super Tuesday!  Bernie leads the polls in CA as well.  Bernie is very popular with latino's as well and NV should be another momentum builder.  SC could end up in play for Bernie if he can win IA, NH and NV.  If anyone other than Sanders wins IA and NH, Biden will win the nomination and Trump will win the general!

Bernie needs to bring out the "traditional" non voters as the boomers who vote in huge percentages still don't like him.  Bernies strength has always been in bringing in "new" voters and over performing the shitty primary polls!

Buttigieg is a non starter at this point, he spent his load in IA and is trending down in the IA poll.  The best he can hope for at this point is for Biden to win the nom and then the general so he can get a high profile cabinet position.  In a few cycles when the neolibs are dead and withering in the streets Buttigieg can flip back to being progressive and run again (this time he would have executive branch experience).  Everyone will forget how much of a neolib twat he was in this cycle.

Warren shit the bed when she flip flopped on M4A, she came off as another corporate politician trying to walk a line rather than an authentic person who believed her ideals.  There was 12434636 candidates against M4A and 2 for it, once she wasn't one of the 2 supporting it she lost to much support to the only other candidate that does support it.

40% of the US wants to vote for a "burn the whole fucking thing down" candidate, this is a big part of the reason Trump drew the inside straight flush draw to win in 16.  Bernie has been trying to BTWFTD since Vietnam and his message is inspiring to the people Bernie needs to win.  Bernie has been on the right side of history (anti war, civil rights, globalization etc etc) for 40 years and voters can see his authenticity and they like it and his 4 decade messages.

The GOP base is SOOOOO energized right now (hyper partisan politics at it's best), the only real chance the Dems have to beat Trump in 2020 is to bring out the largest voting block in the US (non voters...).  Biden (HRC 2.0) will get stomped in the general, he doesn't inspire ANYONE and he (along with Trumps campaign HAMMERING him) will suppress the dem vote worse than Hillary did! Bernie will win most if not all of the only ~8 states that actually matter

It's time for Bernie to go hard after Biden and Warren tomorrow night.  If done right Bernie can really keep the pressure on going in to IA.

In my opinion we should know (with about  90% accuracy) after NH if the nominee will be Biden or Bernie.

Hey Squatz what happened to it being a 2 horse race between Biden and Warren, what happened to "Bernie will never win the nom"....??

[TECSHARE]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/should-be-disqualifying-biden-more-damning-footage-resurfaces-bidens-record

You know he is in bad shape when even Trump has a more solid history of condemning invading Iraq than he does... Biden is nothing but a neocon in dem's clothing.

[TwitchySeal]

Booker is out and Bernie is surging (at exactly the right time).  Warren lost too much support when she flipped flopped on M4A.  

Quite a swing from just a few months ago when Warren was on Top and Bernie had just had a heart attack.

FiveThirtyEights lastest forcast

Our latest forecast for how many pledged delegates each candidate will win after all states have voted
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[Spendulus]

Booker is out and Bernie is surging (at exactly the right time).  Warren lost too much support when she flipped flopped on M4A.  

Quite a swing from just a few months ago when Warren was on Top and Bernie had just had a heart attack.

FiveThirtyEights lastest forcast

Our latest forecast for how many pledged delegates each candidate will win after all states have voted...

Utterly worthless, since the fat cats in the Democratic back room will decide all this.

[TwitchySeal]

Booker is out and Bernie is surging (at exactly the right time).  Warren lost too much support when she flipped flopped on M4A.  

Quite a swing from just a few months ago when Warren was on Top and Bernie had just had a heart attack.

FiveThirtyEights lastest forcast

Our latest forecast for how many pledged delegates each candidate will win after all states have voted...

Utterly worthless, since the fat cats in the Democratic back room will decide all this.

Who are these fat cats?  Do you know who they will decide on?

[coins4commies]

the fat cats picked biden long ago. warren is just an insurance policy to keep bernie from getting too many votes. 

[Huskerz1]

the fat cats picked biden long ago. warren is just an insurance policy to keep bernie from getting too many votes. 

Creepy pedophile Joe will be the democratic nominee.  Why?  Because he polls better with blacks than any other candidate.  The dems cannot let the black vote go.  They must keep them on the plantation. 

[TwitchySeal]

the fat cats picked biden long ago. warren is just an insurance policy to keep bernie from getting too many votes. 

Creepy pedophile Joe will be the democratic nominee.  Why?  Because he polls better with blacks than any other candidate.  The dems cannot let the black vote go.  They must keep them on the plantation. 

X Parrot back Trump insult
X Incoherent
X Racist

[TECSHARE]

"'Gulags Weren't That Bad': Sanders Staffer Says Trump Supporters Will Need To Be 'Re-Educated In Camps'"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gulags-werent-bad-sanders-staffer-says-trump-supporters-will-need-be-re-educated-camps

[Spendulus]

the fat cats picked biden long ago. warren is just an insurance policy to keep bernie from getting too many votes. 

If coins4commies and I agree on something, you know it's gotta be right.

[coins4commies]

"'Gulags Weren't That Bad': Sanders Staffer Says Trump Supporters Will Need To Be 'Re-Educated In Camps'"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gulags-werent-bad-sanders-staffer-says-trump-supporters-will-need-be-re-educated-camps

gotta find a way to avoid these fake news websites.

[TECSHARE]

"'Gulags Weren't That Bad': Sanders Staffer Says Trump Supporters Will Need To Be 'Re-Educated In Camps'"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gulags-werent-bad-sanders-staffer-says-trump-supporters-will-need-be-re-educated-camps

gotta find a way to avoid these fake news websites.

Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

[Gyfts]

The exchange between Bernie and Elizabeth Warren was kind of awkward. It's like Warren tried to attack Sanders by confirming he claimed that a women couldn't be President because she did not outright deny that Bernie said that to her. What's likely is that Bernie said some sort of off-the-cuff type remark about how a woman would have a tough time running against Trump like Hillary did because Trump plays a different game, and some Warren campaign staffer is twisting his words in order to formulate an attack against him. Sanders can't really clear himself up in what he meant because the deranged left will immediately take his statement and equate it with misogyny no matter what his intent was. I doubt anyone truly thinks that Sanders believes a women can't be President.


Other than that, this debate was boring. I think Joe Biden has this race locked up at this point. Without Bernie or Warren conceding to each other's campaign, the progressive left vote will be split between them while Biden gets the plurality. According to the DNC rules, a candidate that suspends their campaign has the option to endorse another candidate and have their delegates transfer to the new candidate. This could come into play because at this point in the race in 2016, it was Bernie vs. Hillary clear and cut. So if one of the two candidates dropped out, the other would win by default as pledged delegates had no choice but to switch over to the only remaining candidate. Here, we have four major players, Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg so transferring delegates could get interesting because there isn't an obvious candidate to switch over to.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Andrew Yang missing the debate while Tom Steyer makes it is actually insane. You don't have to like Yang's universal basic income freedom dividend to understand that Yang is bringing up issues that will effect the future. Not a single candidate is willing to talk about China's aggression in technological spaces and AI. Once you lose the race to AI to a foreign adversary like China, good fucking luck trying to compete with their economy. It's over.

What did you guys think of the debate?

[TwitchySeal]

Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

James O'Keefe is a joke, imo.  PV makes cable news (from Fox to MSNBC) seem totally unbiased without any agenda (which is obviously not true).  

They found a drunk Bernie Bro and baited him into saying a bunch of stupid shit - red meat for alt-right blogs like zerohedge - but that's about it.

The exchange between Bernie and Elizabeth Warren was kind of awkward. It's like Warren tried to attack Sanders by confirming he claimed that a women couldn't be President because she did not outright deny that Bernie said that to her. What's likely is that Bernie said some sort of off-the-cuff type remark about how a woman would have a tough time running against Trump like Hillary did because Trump plays a different game, and some Warren campaign staffer is twisting his words in order to formulate an attack against him. Sanders can't really clear himself up in what he meant because the deranged left will immediately take his statement and equate it with misogyny no matter what his intent was. I doubt anyone truly thinks that Sanders believes a women can't be President.


Other than that, this debate was boring. I think Joe Biden has this race locked up at this point. Without Bernie or Warren conceding to each other's campaign, the progressive left vote will be split between them while Biden gets the plurality. According to the DNC rules, a candidate that suspends their campaign has the option to endorse another candidate and have their delegates transfer to the new candidate. This could come into play because at this point in the race in 2016, it was Bernie vs. Hillary clear and cut. So if one of the two candidates dropped out, the other would win by default as pledged delegates had no choice but to switch over to the only remaining candidate. Here, we have four major players, Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg so transferring delegates could get interesting because there isn't an obvious candidate to switch over to.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Andrew Yang missing the debate while Tom Steyer makes it is actually insane. You don't have to like Yang's universal basic income freedom dividend to understand that Yang is bringing up issues that will effect the future. Not a single candidate is willing to talk about China's aggression in technological spaces and AI. Once you lose the race to AI to a foreign adversary like China, good fucking luck trying to compete with their economy. It's over.

What did you guys think of the debate?

I couldn't watch, but saw some clips.  The whole 'Bernie said he didn't think a woman could be president' line was kind of lame.  You can hate on Bernie all day for his policies, but she was basically accusing him of being sexist, while acting like she didn't really want to talk about it, but it was her campaign that brought it up...seems like it might backfire.

I feel like Yangs comments were always most entertaining, pretty lame Steyer was there but not him.

[TECSHARE]

Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

James O'Keefe is a joke, imo.  PV makes cable news (from Fox to MSNBC) seem totally unbiased without any agenda (which is obviously not true).  

They found a drunk Bernie Bro and baited him into saying a bunch of stupid shit - red meat for alt-right blogs like zerohedge - but that's about it.

Like I said, people like you just find it convenient to dismiss it as "fake news" because it is so absolutely effective and crushing to your preferred narrative. That was a Sanders campaign manager field organizer on video advocating for political violence, also known as terrorism under federal statutes. TIL drinking turns you into a terrorist. Who knew...