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Question: Who is your preferred candidate to ultimately WIN the presidency?
Joe Biden - 7 (8.2%)
Michael Bloomberg - 6 (7.1%)
Cory Booker - 2 (2.4%)
Pete Buttigieg - 3 (3.5%)
Julian Castro - 1 (1.2%)
John Delaney - 0 (0%)
Tulsi Gabbard - 11 (12.9%)
Kirsten Gillibrand - 1 (1.2%)
Kamala Harris - 6 (7.1%)
Amy Klobuchar - 1 (1.2%)
Beto O'Rourke - 3 (3.5%)
Bernie Sanders - 23 (27.1%)
Elizabeth Warren - 8 (9.4%)
Andrew Yang - 13 (15.3%)
Total Voters: 48

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The exchange between Bernie and Elizabeth Warren was kind of awkward. It's like Warren tried to attack Sanders by confirming he claimed that a women couldn't be President because she did not outright deny that Bernie said that to her. What's likely is that Bernie said some sort of off-the-cuff type remark about how a woman would have a tough time running against Trump like Hillary did because Trump plays a different game, and some Warren campaign staffer is twisting his words in order to formulate an attack against him. Sanders can't really clear himself up in what he meant because the deranged left will immediately take his statement and equate it with misogyny no matter what his intent was. I doubt anyone truly thinks that Sanders believes a women can't be President.


Other than that, this debate was boring. I think Joe Biden has this race locked up at this point. Without Bernie or Warren conceding to each other's campaign, the progressive left vote will be split between them while Biden gets the plurality. According to the DNC rules, a candidate that suspends their campaign has the option to endorse another candidate and have their delegates transfer to the new candidate. This could come into play because at this point in the race in 2016, it was Bernie vs. Hillary clear and cut. So if one of the two candidates dropped out, the other would win by default as pledged delegates had no choice but to switch over to the only remaining candidate. Here, we have four major players, Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg so transferring delegates could get interesting because there isn't an obvious candidate to switch over to.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Andrew Yang missing the debate while Tom Steyer makes it is actually insane. You don't have to like Yang's universal basic income freedom dividend to understand that Yang is bringing up issues that will effect the future. Not a single candidate is willing to talk about China's aggression in technological spaces and AI. Once you lose the race to AI to a foreign adversary like China, good fucking luck trying to compete with their economy. It's over.

What did you guys think of the debate?

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Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

James O'Keefe is a joke, imo.  PV makes cable news (from Fox to MSNBC) seem totally unbiased without any agenda (which is obviously not true).  

They found a drunk Bernie Bro and baited him into saying a bunch of stupid shit - red meat for alt-right blogs like zerohedge - but that's about it.



The exchange between Bernie and Elizabeth Warren was kind of awkward. It's like Warren tried to attack Sanders by confirming he claimed that a women couldn't be President because she did not outright deny that Bernie said that to her. What's likely is that Bernie said some sort of off-the-cuff type remark about how a woman would have a tough time running against Trump like Hillary did because Trump plays a different game, and some Warren campaign staffer is twisting his words in order to formulate an attack against him. Sanders can't really clear himself up in what he meant because the deranged left will immediately take his statement and equate it with misogyny no matter what his intent was. I doubt anyone truly thinks that Sanders believes a women can't be President.


Other than that, this debate was boring. I think Joe Biden has this race locked up at this point. Without Bernie or Warren conceding to each other's campaign, the progressive left vote will be split between them while Biden gets the plurality. According to the DNC rules, a candidate that suspends their campaign has the option to endorse another candidate and have their delegates transfer to the new candidate. This could come into play because at this point in the race in 2016, it was Bernie vs. Hillary clear and cut. So if one of the two candidates dropped out, the other would win by default as pledged delegates had no choice but to switch over to the only remaining candidate. Here, we have four major players, Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg so transferring delegates could get interesting because there isn't an obvious candidate to switch over to.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Andrew Yang missing the debate while Tom Steyer makes it is actually insane. You don't have to like Yang's universal basic income freedom dividend to understand that Yang is bringing up issues that will effect the future. Not a single candidate is willing to talk about China's aggression in technological spaces and AI. Once you lose the race to AI to a foreign adversary like China, good fucking luck trying to compete with their economy. It's over.

What did you guys think of the debate?

I couldn't watch, but saw some clips.  The whole 'Bernie said he didn't think a woman could be president' line was kind of lame.  You can hate on Bernie all day for his policies, but she was basically accusing him of being sexist, while acting like she didn't really want to talk about it, but it was her campaign that brought it up...seems like it might backfire.

I feel like Yangs comments were always most entertaining, pretty lame Steyer was there but not him.


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January 15, 2020, 09:37:48 AM
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Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

James O'Keefe is a joke, imo.  PV makes cable news (from Fox to MSNBC) seem totally unbiased without any agenda (which is obviously not true).  

They found a drunk Bernie Bro and baited him into saying a bunch of stupid shit - red meat for alt-right blogs like zerohedge - but that's about it.

Like I said, people like you just find it convenient to dismiss it as "fake news" because it is so absolutely effective and crushing to your preferred narrative. That was a Sanders campaign manager field organizer on video advocating for political violence, also known as terrorism under federal statutes. TIL drinking turns you into a terrorist. Who knew...


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Project Veritas is a very well respected and legitimate source. It is only "fake news" because the work they are doing has been so absolutely devastating to corrupt organizations.

James O'Keefe is a joke, imo.  PV makes cable news (from Fox to MSNBC) seem totally unbiased without any agenda (which is obviously not true).  

They found a drunk Bernie Bro and baited him into saying a bunch of stupid shit - red meat for alt-right blogs like zerohedge - but that's about it.

Like I said, people like you just find it convenient to dismiss it as "fake news" because it is so absolutely effective and crushing to your preferred narrative. That was a Sanders campaign manager on video advocating for political violence, also known as terrorism under federal statutes. TIL drinking turns you into a terrorist. Who knew...

This guy was an Iowa field organizer.

He was making ~$150 a day to organize volunteers to go knock on doors in Iowa.  Basically show up in the morning and give each volunteer a route (that someone else figured out).  Volunteers come and go, so paying someone to do the basic management is more efficient.  (They would be trained by someone higher up)

He was probably interviewed and hired by someone 4-5 levels below the actual campaign manager (Faiz Shakir).

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This guy was an Iowa field organizer.

He was making ~$150 a day to organize volunteers to go knock on doors in Iowa.  Basically show up in the morning and give each volunteer a route (that someone else figured out).  Volunteers come and go, so paying someone to do the basic management is more efficient.  (They would be trained by someone higher up)

He was probably interviewed and hired by someone 4-5 levels below the actual campaign manager (Faiz Shakir).

Oh, gee, I guess that makes it ok he is advocating for terrorism then. The left are quite fond of imagining themselves as revolutionaries and anyone right of Mao as being Nazis. This isn't an outlier.


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This guy was an Iowa field organizer.

He was making ~$150 a day to organize volunteers to go knock on doors in Iowa.  Basically show up in the morning and give each volunteer a route (that someone else figured out).  Volunteers come and go, so paying someone to do the basic management is more efficient.  (They would be trained by someone higher up)

He was probably interviewed and hired by someone 4-5 levels below the actual campaign manager (Faiz Shakir).

Haters gonna hate. I'm glad that you and others are keeping them in the lower levels of the organizations. Later, perhaps, haters and their hate will be more socially accepted and more ... promotable.

For now, though, you think the minions have it under control?
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For now, though, you think the minions have it under control?

No.

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If this is for real, does Bernie even denounce this stuff? Does he even know about it? It might be hurting his campaign. Or is it helping him?


"I'll Straight Up Get Armed":



A second Bernie Sanders field organizer has been caught on undercover camera extolling the virtues of gulags - only this one can barely contain himself over arming himself for the "fucking revolution."

"I'm ready to tear bricks up and start fighting," says Martin Weissgerber - who deleted his Twitter account Tuesday morning after Project Veritas released their latest hit. "I'll straight up get armed ... I'm ready for the fucking revolution, bro."

Weissgerber also dreams of 'dissolving the  Senate, House of Representatives and Judicial Branch' so that 'somebody like Bernie Sanders and a cabinet of people can make all the decisions for the climate.'


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That's what we need. A good Dem fight.




Tulsi Gabbard Sues Hillary Clinton Over 'Russian Asset' Remark



Filed on Wednesday in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, Gabbard's attorneys allege that Clinton "smeared" Gabbard's "political and personal reputation," according to The Hill."Tulsi Gabbard is a loyal American civil servant who has also dedicated her life to protecting the safety of all Americans," said Gabbard's attorney Brian Dunne in a statement."Rep. Gabbard's presidential campaign continues to gain momentum, but she has seen her political and personal reputation smeared and her candidacy intentionally damaged by Clinton's malicious and demonstrably false remarks."

n a podcast released in October, Clinton said she thought Republicans were "grooming" a Democratic presidential candidate for a third-party bid. She also described the candidate as a favorite of the Russians.

Clinton did not name the candidate but it was clear she was speaking about Gabbard.


Hillary hints that Tulsi Gabbard being 'groomed' as third-party candidate

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This is only one example of why Big Dems want society to follow their lead. It's all about built-in Communism, built right into the Democrat Party and system. Communism allows the leaders to become rich off the property (work and wages) of society people in general.


Financial Researcher Says Bernie Sanders Funneled Taxpayer Money and School Funds to His Family



Schweizer further disclosed that during the 2016 campaign, $83 million was channeled through a mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media. The company was run by two of Bernie Sanders' wife's friends out of a suburban house in Virginia.

Click here for video.

During Monday's broadcast of Sean Hannity's nationally syndicated radio show, Senior Contributor to Breitbart News Peter Schweizer explained how 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) funneled what he deemed to be "taxpayer money" and  "school money" to members of his family.

While discussing his new book, Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite, Schweizer said, "Bernie over the course of his 30-plus years in public office has funneled huge sums of money to his family. That includes hiring family members even when it was not justified in the Burlington city governments. But more specifically, the 2016 campaign, there was this mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media that was set up."


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This is only one example of why Big Dems want society to follow their lead. It's all about built-in Communism, built right into the Democrat Party and system. Communism allows the leaders to become rich off the property (work and wages) of society people in general.


Financial Researcher Says Bernie Sanders Funneled Taxpayer Money and School Funds to His Family



Schweizer further disclosed that during the 2016 campaign, $83 million was channeled through a mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media. The company was run by two of Bernie Sanders' wife's friends out of a suburban house in Virginia.

Click here for video.

During Monday's broadcast of Sean Hannity's nationally syndicated radio show, Senior Contributor to Breitbart News Peter Schweizer explained how 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) funneled what he deemed to be "taxpayer money" and  "school money" to members of his family.

While discussing his new book, Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite, Schweizer said, "Bernie over the course of his 30-plus years in public office has funneled huge sums of money to his family. That includes hiring family members even when it was not justified in the Burlington city governments. But more specifically, the 2016 campaign, there was this mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media that was set up."

of course what do you expect, he is a jew and not a republica, he doesnt seek to run the nation he only wants to enrich his clan.

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This is only one example of why Big Dems want society to follow their lead. It's all about built-in Communism, built right into the Democrat Party and system. Communism allows the leaders to become rich off the property (work and wages) of society people in general.


Financial Researcher Says Bernie Sanders Funneled Taxpayer Money and School Funds to His Family



Schweizer further disclosed that during the 2016 campaign, $83 million was channeled through a mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media. The company was run by two of Bernie Sanders' wife's friends out of a suburban house in Virginia.

Click here for video.

During Monday's broadcast of Sean Hannity's nationally syndicated radio show, Senior Contributor to Breitbart News Peter Schweizer explained how 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) funneled what he deemed to be "taxpayer money" and  "school money" to members of his family.

While discussing his new book, Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite, Schweizer said, "Bernie over the course of his 30-plus years in public office has funneled huge sums of money to his family. That includes hiring family members even when it was not justified in the Burlington city governments. But more specifically, the 2016 campaign, there was this mysterious media-buying company called Old Town Media that was set up."

Cool

of course what do you expect, he is a jew and not a republica, he doesnt seek to run the nation he only wants to enrich his clan.

You can expect all kinds of things regarding all kinds of things. What counts is when you have evidence or proof that support your expectations.

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For now, though, you think the minions have it under control?

No.

We agree on something. As if we had a whole barnyard of chickens running around with their heads chopped off.

It's okay, though. Because one prediction is true: The direction they are all going is down.


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Update for Iowa polling - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/us/politics/democratic-iowa-poll-sanders.html

Sanders - 25%
Buttigieg - 18%
Biden - 17%
Warren - 15%

Race is getting spicy. Sanders is up 7 points in the latest poll with Iowa less than two weeks away. Sanders is also down only 0.7 points in the RealClearPolitics polling average to Joe Biden. He's pretty much closed the gap completely and Warren's attack on Sanders regarding the "women can't be President" bullshit has backfired so brilliantly. Well played Warren, truly.

 
Other than that, this debate was boring. I think Joe Biden has this race locked up at this point. Without Bernie or Warren conceding to each other's campaign, the progressive left vote will be split between them while Biden gets the plurality...

And my prediction was dead wrong here. Bernie's surging in the polls and I don't really get it. This is Biden's race to lose.

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January 25, 2020, 11:07:54 PM
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And my prediction was dead wrong here. Bernie's surging in the polls and I don't really get it. This is Biden's race to lose.

Biden's name being repeated in the impeachment context might be dragging him down, but I'm not really following that shit closely so not sure. I don't mind it - I'd be happier with having my bet on Sanders rather than Biden.

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January 25, 2020, 11:57:00 PM
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And my prediction was dead wrong here. Bernie's surging in the polls and I don't really get it. This is Biden's race to lose.

Biden's name being repeated in the impeachment context might be dragging him down, but I'm not really following that shit closely so not sure. I don't mind it - I'd be happier with having my bet on Sanders rather than Biden.

My prediction, which is clearly worthless at this point considering I've missed the mark thus far, was that Biden would have crushed Trump in the general while Sanders would have struggled. A recent Emmerson poll shows that Trump and Biden are tied which is mind boggling considering the lead Biden had. Trump is leading in swing states as well so it's plausible that Trump could come away with an electoral victory while narrowly loosing the popular vote for an exact repeat of the 2016. Granted, we aren't anywhere close to the general election so I'm speculating at this point.


Also on a side note, the Bernie or Bust folks have returned. Nearly a 3rd of Sanders supporters can't commit to supporting the democratic nominee if Sanders doesn't win in addition to the 16% that wouldn't support the elected nominee. I would not be surprised if Sanders is the strongest candidate to beat Trump given the current data.


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Today at 12:22:36 AM
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Also on a side note, the Bernie or Bust folks have returned.

Lovely. I have some friends who stopped talking to me 3 years ago when I pointed out (during Christmas dinner of course, being the classy person that I am) that they elected Trump by writing in Sanders.

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