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Question: Who is your preferred candidate to ultimately WIN the presidency?
Joe Biden - 8 (8.3%)
Michael Bloomberg - 9 (9.4%)
Cory Booker - 2 (2.1%)
Pete Buttigieg - 4 (4.2%)
Julian Castro - 1 (1%)
John Delaney - 0 (0%)
Tulsi Gabbard - 11 (11.5%)
Kirsten Gillibrand - 1 (1%)
Kamala Harris - 6 (6.3%)
Amy Klobuchar - 1 (1%)
Beto O'Rourke - 3 (3.1%)
Bernie Sanders - 26 (27.1%)
Elizabeth Warren - 7 (7.3%)
Andrew Yang - 17 (17.7%)
Total Voters: 57

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February 04, 2020, 01:38:19 AM
Last edit: February 04, 2020, 12:42:30 PM by mprep
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I would discourage anyone from voting this way in 2020.  Unless you like/dislike both candidates completely equally, you should vote for either the Democratic or Republican nominee.  A vote for a third party is half a vote for the nominee you prefer less.





That may make sense in a state that's very close - think Florida or Michigan - but it doesn't in a state like NY or California.

There one can easily vote third party and not affect the outcome. AND, the better a third party does the more attention is paid to the party platform and future Dem or Rep candidates will pay attention to the issues raised.   

You're right technically for states like NY and CA, but I feel like it's still a bad mentality for the population to have as a whole in any state that could swing one way or the other in the next decade (which is most of them).  It's kind of natural to convince yourself your vote really doesn't matter because you already know what's going to happen.  But that results in states not swinging the way they would if people didn't have this mentality. when a party decides to spend less campaigning there the next cycle, and then the next...

I guess what I'm really saying is I think the electoral college is dumb.  (and I'm not just saying that because Trump won it but lost the popular and has been a total embarrassment since, I know I know, different campaign strategies would have different results)
My vote DOES matter and thats why I won't just automatically give it to any party.  They have to EARN IT.  Maybe if enough people like me vote third party again, they will start to realize what they need to do to EARN my vote.  Until then, I'm not enabling their excuses for being shitty. 



In case you missed tonight's historic fiasco in Iowa
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224561674679488513
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224562950133800961

-Pete campaign paid 21k to shadow in july
-DNC bought APP in December for 120k to report iowa and Nevada results
-All results missing due to app malfunction and "mishap" with the backup phone system
-Pete declares himself the winner with no results reported
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February 04, 2020, 07:07:18 AM
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-Pete declares himself the winner with no results reported

'We don't know all of the results. But we do know that by the time it's all said and done, Iowa: you have shocked the nation. Because by all indications we are going on to New Hampshire victorious,'
Buttigieg

"Buttigieg aide basing victory claim on reports from 77% of their precinct captains. But we can’t say that’s representative or confirm their results."
Maggie Astor, reporting from Des Moines


Sounds like Bernie or Pete won, and Biden did much worse than expected.
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February 04, 2020, 10:26:26 PM
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-Pete declares himself the winner with no results reported

'We don't know all of the results. But we do know that by the time it's all said and done, Iowa: you have shocked the nation. Because by all indications we are going on to New Hampshire victorious,'
Buttigieg

"Buttigieg aide basing victory claim on reports from 77% of their precinct captains. But we can’t say that’s representative or confirm their results."
Maggie Astor, reporting from Des Moines


Sounds like Bernie or Pete won, and Biden did much worse than expected.
According to early results, Mayor Pete has about 26.9% while Sanders has 25.1% with 62% reporting.

It has been widely agreed that the technical snaufoo will take the extra push out of whoever wins IA. I would question if the DNC saw the results and wanted to prevent Sanders from gaining additional momentum.

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February 04, 2020, 10:51:01 PM
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Kamala Harris is a slightly more brown, slightly less homicidal version of Hillary Clinton.

I actually think that I'd prefer Hillary over Kamala. When I watch some really old videos of Hillary, I get the sense that she had some actual beliefs and passions. I think that she might've started out as a true believer (in some ideology), but being in the swamp for so many decades corrupted her substantially. But maybe she's only 99% evil instead of 100%.

Kamala on the other hand I think is and always has been rotten to the core.

Nah, she is 330% evil. She has left a trail of bodies behind her since before Arkansas. In fact it is multi-generational, her dad was a bootlegger who took up the mantle of Al Capone once he was gone.

Also saw this today...


"Bernie Supporters Just Gave Democrats An Ultimatum, Nominate Bernie Or Trump Wins 2020"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGcTqqqAxU8

BWAHAHAHA... put a fork in the Dems, they're done.

As predicted, the dems shot themselves in the face yet again. Bernie bros are gonna vote very spitefully for Trump in November Smiley

The Democrat Party can't even run itself.


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A Democratic source tells CNN that the issue seems to lie with a major coding error in the app that was discovered once data started flowing into the IDP, and party officials began to see discrepancies in the three data streams as the results started coming.

Everybody knows that real programmers test their code in production.

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A Democratic source tells CNN that the issue seems to lie with a major coding error in the app that was discovered once data started flowing into the IDP, and party officials began to see discrepancies in the three data streams as the results started coming.

Everybody knows that real programmers test their code in production.

"my code is perfect, I never debug it because there are no bug."
Overheard conversation.
He was serious.
Just wondering why the bloke was working at my local store instead of running megabillion coding corporation.

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February 06, 2020, 03:02:20 AM
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Sounds like Bernie or Pete won, and Biden did much worse than expected.

I think there were some big winners and losers from the IA caucus.

Big Losers:
Joe Biden - under performed the polls by ~6% and likely finished 4th, "Mr. Electable" my ass LOLOLOL.
Iowa Democratic Party - for either being entirely incompetent at best or corrupted at worst.
DNC - even though this really isn't their fault Trump has already weaponized it against them, and Trump has MORE than enough foils already and the dems handed him a big fat one with a bow on it.
Buttigieg - he lost millions of dollars of free MSM coverage that he should have got for finishing so strong, and honestly that is the only reason anyone campaigns hard in IA and Buttigieg was basically "all in" in IA.

Big winners:
Bloomberg - Since IA puts a huge question mark on Biden's electability (and NH may accentuate that point) and if Pete falls off once he gets out of pure white states and into NV and SC (as he polls horribly with minorities), Bloomberg can swoop in on Super Tuesday with his half a billion dollars and the moderate wing can consolidate around him.
Trump - The moron democrats keep handing him big fat foils all wrapped up nicely.
Bernie - He will come away being tied or within 1 of the most pledged delegates and likely the popular vote lead in both "rounds", he can claim victory even if buttigieg is ahead by 1% in SDE's at the end of the day (when ever that is ffs).  As the lefts anti establishment candidate the shenanigans in IA by the establishment will rally his base and might give him some boost with some indy's or under 50's.

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After Pete's shocking victory (or "victory") in Iowa, it'll be really interesting if he wins in NH as well. The polls are currently very close.

Even if he wins, it's a bit difficult to imagine him winning a majority of delegates, since he has roughly zero support among black Democrats. If he wins in NH, it makes a contested convention much more likely, though: maybe a roughly-even split in delegates between Bernie, Pete, and Bloomberg, with scattered delegates among the rest. That'd be interesting.

If Pete somehow becomes the nominee, I feel like he'd do well against Trump, since IMO he's the candidate who most projects a calming, "return-to-normalcy" vibe, which will appeal to a lot of swing voters. That said, maybe minority Democrats wouldn't turn out for him enough? I don't understand why he's so monumentally unpopular among that demographic. Maybe his polling there would improve if he became the nominee?

Policy-wise, he's probably about the same as Biden or Bloomberg. I certainly don't want him to be president, though I'm hoping he wins NH and this leads to a contested convention.

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I saw this on Bovada today, the odds for all presidential candidates, republicans and Kanye West included (lol):



It kind of gives you an idea of where everybody currently stands. I was surprised that they had Bloomberg so high on there. My other go-to source for odds, RealClearPolitics, seems to not be reflecting anything of value anymore, as they still have Biden up nationally by a considerable margin, despite the fact that he failed to win a single delegate in Iowa:


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February 11, 2020, 01:27:26 AM
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After Pete's shocking victory (or "victory") in Iowa, it'll be really interesting if he wins in NH as well. The polls are currently very close.

Even if he wins, it's a bit difficult to imagine him winning a majority of delegates, since he has roughly zero support among black Democrats. If he wins in NH, it makes a contested convention much more likely, though: maybe a roughly-even split in delegates between Bernie, Pete, and Bloomberg, with scattered delegates among the rest. That'd be interesting.

If Pete somehow becomes the nominee, I feel like he'd do well against Trump, since IMO he's the candidate who most projects a calming, "return-to-normalcy" vibe, which will appeal to a lot of swing voters. That said, maybe minority Democrats wouldn't turn out for him enough? I don't understand why he's so monumentally unpopular among that demographic. Maybe his polling there would improve if he became the nominee?

Policy-wise, he's probably about the same as Biden or Bloomberg. I certainly don't want him to be president, though I'm hoping he wins NH and this leads to a contested convention.

Honestly they're going to call him the winner, but on first ballot he wasn't the winner. He won the delegate count because Iowa has the whole realignment thing, and in my mind Bernie is going to be able to say that this is more of a win then Pete can.

For Pete and his Camp, they're going to be able to run off and say that this was surprising that it happened and that they beat the odds in Iowa. Which they're right, they did beat the odds and the polls had him crashing in the polls.

Biden is going to have to have a strong finish in NH to keep his name in the news. He continues to rely on the fact that NC is very Black, and they're pretty much saying that SC is his wall (or whatever that saying is). If he doesn't do well in NH, he's going to lose his edge in electability (which I think is bullshit, but the voters dont) and he's going to fall out of fashion.

This is gonna be something. Can't believe NH is tomorrow.




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Pete  .. . .. . projects a calming, "return-to-normalcy" vibe

While bringing in the first first man..

minority Democrats
I don't understand why he's so monumentally unpopular among that demographic.

Their racist..


I saw this on Bovada today, the odds for all presidential candidates, republicans and Kanye West included (lol):



It kind of gives you an idea of where everybody currently stands. I was surprised that they had Bloomberg so high on there.

Why is Trump's number so low? What does that mean?

My other go-to source for odds, RealClearPolitics, seems to not be reflecting anything of value anymore, as they still have Biden up nationally by a considerable margin, despite the fact that he failed to win a single nominee in Iowa:



B-b-b butt...
The polls are always right.. Only off by the allowable margin of error..
How much margin of error do they have this time? 40%?
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February 11, 2020, 03:05:50 AM
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Why is Trump's number so low? What does that mean?

Means you're losing bigly. My guys (and a few gals) have larger numbers.

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Pete  .. . .. . projects a calming, "return-to-normalcy" vibe

While bringing in the first first man..

minority Democrats
I don't understand why he's so monumentally unpopular among that demographic.

Their racist..
[img ]https://i.imgur.com/WUjCG4l.png[/img]

Blacks are also notoriously homophobic. Mexicans also tend to be very Catholic.


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For some reason The Killing Fields movie is on youtube at the moment.  Bernie Bros and Sanders campaign staff make their appearance at about 50:10 and continue to do their thing through the remainder of the movie.


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None of these have my preference. I am currently voting for the Republican Party.
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Pete  .. . .. . projects a calming, "return-to-normalcy" vibe

While bringing in the first first man..

A woman president would also do that.

His homosexuality & husband is an interesting political question. IMO it's easy for a lot of people, even slightly socially-conservative people, to read "he's gay and gay-married" written on paper and not care too much. But if anyone (a superPAC, maybe) dares to attack him by blasting the airwaves with images of him kissing his husband or similar, this might evoke a disgust reaction even in a lot of social liberals, and maybe this'd be enough to kill his campaign. It's difficult to predict, since a lot of people who are honestly very strongly for gay rights (and who will tell pollsters as much) might experience some subconscious disgust at seeing it right in their faces, and this subtle but perhaps-widespread effect could have a significant impact on a Pete vs Trump race.

I find it difficult to understand the mindset of strong social conservatives, so I could easily believe that I'm underestimating just how much his homosexuality will motivate conservatives to oppose him, as well.

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Andrew Yang drops out, RIP - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/andrew-yang-drops-out-of-presidential-race/2020/02/11/4fe2c97c-4c2c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html
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Smart move.

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It's really strange, the candidates that focus on real issues that matter to Americans are dropping like flies.  Yang and Delaney are out, both of whom actually have practical expectations, and make deliverable promises.  Two who aren't hell bent on implementing every woke socialist agenda.  Gabbard is another one, but she doesn't have a prayer, in my opinion.  It seems like all the candidates who are centrist enough to have made a real run for the general election don't stand a chance.

I see Klobuchar as one of those leftish for the primary, centering up for the general (assuming she gets the nomination,).  In fact she is already taking that centrist road, as demonstrated by the New Hampshire debate.  But that kind of deception will come to haunt her later.  I think Buttigieg will be coached the same way by his handlers, if he wins the nomination that is.  But will his dad's Marxist views, and his rhetoric during the primary keep him from converting the independents?

Americans are mostly centrist, when you come down to it.  We may swing one direction, then the other, but for the most part things tend to stay fairly balanced.  Candidates that are talking about green new giveaways make a lot of noise on the twitterweb, but that kind of talk doesn't resonate with unplugged Americans.  We want to discuss, and resolve issues that affect our daily lives.  That's why Trump won in 2016, and that's why he'll win in 2020, unless the Democrats can produce one honest, rational individual who isn't promising to give away the farm to pay for undeliverable promises.

For those of you who were holding your breath, Tom Steyer is out.  So it's official, his Schrodinger's cat of a campaign is dead.

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I don't think he really ever stood a chance. His platform really didn't expand beyond UBI, and during the debates, he would frequently pivot to UBI.

I don't think our economy is at the point where Universal Basic Income is really needed right now. Unemployment is at record lows, and wages are rising faster than inflation. Automation is taking jobs, but even with those jobs removed from the economy, there are more jobs available than unemployed workers in the workforce. I think the UBI platform is 10-15 years too early.

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